Okay, I have cut off my Republican family tonight for good

[Mari333]

Its not funny anymore, and I hope its okay to post this in General Discussion.
Tonight, my stepson and 2 other sons went down to visit my relatives for the Holidays. They were there, and had a good time, and I didnt go.
A few minutes ago my sister in law, who is 34 yrs old and has an 8 yr old son, called me to thank me for sending my sons down to visit..she especially praised what good boys I had, and how proud I must be of my stepson who is going to Iraq. Mind you, she is a Born again fundy, and a vacous BITCH to boot.
My response to her (and I have NEVER done this to anyone in my life) was this:
"Hi Sue..thanks for saying how wonderful my sons are and how you like them,...now lets get ONE thing straight...dont cheer my stepson's imminent deployment to Iraq, dont cheer my sons close call with going to Iraq, dont cheer to me on the phone...you are a mother, and Im shocked you would cheer on the possible death or maiming of anyones son...shame on you..and another thing, if your son is 18 someday and he is sent into some illegal war for greedy assholes, I sure as HELL wont call you and cheer on YOUR sons possible death or maiming...
Ill tell you what Sue, if anything happens to MY stepson or any of my children because of your vapid stupidity and ignorant backing of the Bush administration, dont EVER expect to hear from me again...you call yourself a Christian? Bullshit...You are not a Christian, you are following the AntiChrist...the murder of over 500 soldiers for Greed, the murder of 10s of thousands of Iraqui children and civilians for greed, the murder of people who never attacked us, and if anything happens to MY son or stepson the BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS just as much as it is on Bush's hands and his whole evil Satanic administration...if the definition of Satan is evil and greed and hatred, then thats the Bush administration...if the definition of Christ is compassion and love, thats being Anti War ..
and another thing...if you and your PromiseKeeper husband vote for Bush again, you might as well know Im cutting you and the rest of the family who votes for Bush OFF forever..
Its life and death now baby, and its not funny anymore..."

She hemmed and hawed and said "well have a nice night"
I said "the Blood is on your hands if you vote for Bush..the Blood that was on the same hands of Pontius Pilate...never forget it...I hope you can forgive yourself someday".
and then I said goodbye.
and I feel damn good.
Im tired of being nice.
Fuck it.

[ShaneGR]

1. Well, so much for the Christmas dinner

Kind of blew that one out of the water. As for your stepson, good luck to him.

[Ksec]

2. Wow. that ruled

Good for you. If ya need a freind email me and Ill do anything I can to help.

[nini]

3. RIGHT ON MARI333!

Isn't it liberating to tell it like it is???!!

good for you! Sad thing is she probably doesn't get a bit of what you said.

[Shoedogg]

4. Good for you!! (n/t)

[madrchsod]

5. do you feel better?

really nice job on her,i don`t think she`ll be saying anything to you in awhile. i once told my mother in law to go get fucked and from then on we were on equal terms. hell maybe someday she understand what you said..but don`t hold your breath

[Mari333]

7. I feel great

the TRUTH shall set you free.

[CatWoman]

6. LOL -- Mari

will you marry me???

GOOD FUCKING JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Old and In the Way]

8. Good for you.

I thank God I have a relatively small family and we all agree that this administration is pure evil.

It's not easy, but at least they know where you stand....they're either with us or against us....

[Hieronymus]

9. Those right wingnut "christians"

have lost track of what Christianity is about.
A host on KGO, over the holiday, said he didn't think Bush even believed in God, and this guy is a republican. I agree with him, Bush has an act going and folks like your sister in law believe him.:eyes:

[Code_Name_D]

56. Hay, that sounds like a song.

"Have a very merry wing nut crhismas"

It just needs lerics, and music, and some one who can sing, and...

[JNelson6563]

10. you make mother-bears look lame

You inspire me. :-)

I already worry for my son who's only 12. Good luck to the poor soul who, when he's old enough, thinks they'll ship him off to kill for Halliburton/whatever Corp. interest.

Rock on fellow mom. :toast:

Julie

[salinen]

13. Pretty heavy

Same story, different famity, my wife's side. Fundies also. Just remember to breath evenly and know that you represent the peaceful side of man.

[coloradodem2005]

14. Way to go!!!!!!!!

You Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[calimary]

11. God bless you, Mari333. I know that was hard to go through.

I told my insufferable schmuck brother-in-law to shut up once and he's never been a problem since then. In fact, he and his insufferable schmuck family have never had the courage to show their faces at gatherings of my husband's family ever since, except in the waning days of my father-in-law's life and his funeral (when it couldn't be avoided anymore).

I know this was hard. Not as hard as the ordeal you've suffered through because of the imminent future of your son - SHIT!!! Holidays tend to bring out the frayed edges in lots of families, don't they?

I think you're correct about one thing: sometimes you HAVE to get mad, and say ENOUGH!!!!!!! You did it in your little corner of the universe, and you should feel proud! I hope the rest of us bush-foes have the courage to speak up, and speak truth to power, as you have. Your sister is an enabler, just the same as everyone else is who voted for bush, allowed themselves to be scared witless, and let themselves be taken in by the bullshit.

You have friends and supporters here, and probably elsewhere in more places than you realize! I, for one, refuse to shut up anymore, either, except that my family is a little more mellow...

MUCH love and solidarity -

calimary

[Corgigal]

12. Beautiful

as the mother of two boys, aged 16 and 11, I would have done the same.

Please feel free to move next door to me and be my neighbor. I'm tired of playing nice also. I did tell my neighbor, who voted for Bush and then turns around and sells military families wooden racks for their ribbons that their is a special place in hell for her.

[Ellen Forradalom]

21. OMG!

Little racks for their ribbons? Oh yes there is a real hot room waiting for her.

[gmoney]

15. Lucky there was someone there to transcribe it...

<eom>

[roguevalley]

27. "Lucky there was someone there to transcribe it?"

Troll. I hope you have seven kids and they are all
drafted. Maybe you'll find a heart where that hole
in your chest currently is.

[MIMStigator]

16. Excellent.

Thanks on behalf of a grateful nation. if we had more like you we wouldn't be in this mess.

[Ilsa]

17. Sometimes you gotta let 'er rip!

I'm glad you told her off. She probably dismissed it as worrisome mothering. But she doesn't get that these barbarians in office will use national "pride" to convince people to sacrifice their children for their gold.

"Vacuous bitch". Loved it. I'm also glad you got her thinking, even if only for a moment, about the possibility that * is the AntiChrist.

[TahitiNut]

18. Of the two primary choices I have ...

... I'll choose to move this to the Lounge. (Please review Rules to start discussion threads in the General Discussion forum.)

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation,
TahitiNut - DU moderator

[Mari333]

19. Thats okay...I dont mind

I never know whats Gen Discussion or Lounge anymore..I guess Im too fucked up worrying about whether my stepsons going to die in Iraq and I cant think straight.

[Robbien]

20. My nephew is set to go to Iraq in January

So hope you don't mind some company on the worry couch.

[Hogarth]

32. I've been sitting on the "worry couch" for a while.

I'm Mari's stepson's dad--his father. It's odd ... strange times bring people closer together, it seems. George Bush seems to be responsible for a whole lot of hugs and handshakes and embraces between Michael and me. I say that with tongue in cheek. While I appreciate my son's good intentions I also resent the president's ill-witted stunts.

Because Iraq is going so badly, my reservist son has to report for duty in a couple of days. He's scared. So am I.

I wish I didn't have to see him looking this sad--we've shared better times.

[ldf]

48. and hopefully

you will share better times again. good luck to your son, and you.

trying times can do two things, bring people closer, or cause them to drift apart. i'm glad your's was the former.

[Tinoire]

22. KUDOS!

And don't you dare feel bad about this tomorrow or even the following days ((somehow I don't think you will, but just in case)).

I wish more people had your brass ovaries ;)

[DeathvadeR]

23. Damn you got some spunk in that trunk. :)

[Ardee]

24. mixed emotions

As one who was estranged from his family and now regrets never making peace with them before they died I believe that one must honor familial bonds.Differences might be better healed sans the vituperative tone of your lecture which only served to push her further away. I doubt her motivation was as you portrayed it to be......

On the other hand my eldset grandson is seventeen and wants to join up and go to Iraq to further his fulfilling a goal in law enforcement ( he wants to be an FBI agent)and forgo his college scholarship ( he has a 98.9 grade point average through high school. We are trying to explain that the FBI requires a four year degree and attending college would better serve his goals. failing that I may break his knee caps ( only kidding).

I wish your son the very best of luck and wish him safe return.

[Prodemsouth]

28. Been There done that - This polite college professor/ wGarrison Keller

sounding voice talk, using big words has been a trip to nowhere. The result is more mothers in Mari333 situation and more right wing victories. Sorry she was right on target tonight. Sometimes you got to be mean to make your point sink in.

[Prodemsouth]

25. What an inspiration. Glad you feel good about what you did- you

should. This should be on the Front page not just in General disscussion. Because what Mari333 has done is more critical than going to a well attended protest or adding a signature to a lenghty petition. This is very inmportant and regrettably too few of us are doing this in order to maintain peace in our homes- including me. My sister is the same way - a Mormon. She just bought a new house and wants our family to come for Christmas. I don't want to go. I can tolerate her, but her husband, says every right wing bullshit line all the time. Just had a wonderful Thanksgiving with Mom, she is a Repug turned Dem (thanks to me not shuting up on phone calls for the last 6yrs) voted for her first Democratic President in 2000. You hit all the right notes in this beautiful song you sang, Mari333. Do you think you struck a cord or do you think your sister will rationalize it all?

[roguevalley]

26. Moms are entitled to speak the truth. They must for their kids sake.

I hug you from far away, honey. Don't worry about fall
out. YOU ARE A MOM AND YOU ARE *ENTITLED* TO *ANY*
OPINION YOU WANT TO HOLD.

Hugs to your kids.

RV, adding another kid to my prayer list.

[Prodemsouth]

29. We also need to speak the truth to the enables as well as the truth to

power. I know three postings are wierd on a thread such as this, but I strongly support what you did- as I am dealing with this myself.

[KoKo]

30. The Fundi-Repugs won't be satisfied until they've ripped families apart!

What you are going through is what so many of us are dealing with, and in your case worse because your step-son is going into the military.

Starting with the Clinton stuff and the rise of the RW my own family have been at each other's throats. We can't even talk to some of them any more. Used to be we had small disagreements..nothing that changed the way we felt about each other, but now it's vicious!

I think it must have been like this during the Civil War. No wonder it took so long for the country to get over it....and some still haven't gotten over it!

I know that in any other time you wouldn't have been in such a situation where you felt you had to speak your mind so bluntly...but you HAD TO! How much longer can we hold all this stuff in with the "gloating" of the Wingers out there lording (literally) how great Bush is and how wonderful it is that he's "strong in fighting the terrorists in Iraq and that Clinton was a Coward and anyone who disagrees with Bush doesn't support the troops."
At some point you just have to let it rip about this!

Peace Mari, and I wish all the best for your step-son that he will get through this and you, too. We live in truly terrible times. I hope we all can get through this without it taking a more terrible toll than it already has.

[Valerie5555]

31. Ha ha ha they got it wrong for

Clinton had the guts to go to New York a couple of days AHEAD of the Shrub after September 11 2001.

[liberalcapitalist]

33. i think you overreacted a wee bit

You didn't need to attack her. She was trying to be nice.

[Prodemsouth]

36. She was trying to be "nice" Wrong answer, It was like telling the

mother of vigin about to be given to appease the dragon- you must be proud that your daughter was the choice to appease the Gods. We are the ones who have been too nice for too long.

[liberalcapitalist]

58. no way

Absolutely NO ILL WILL was meant. No matter how insensitive someone is, when the intent is not to offend, you have no just cause to RIP THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. People make mistakes, and can be reactionary-- but this lady is proud of the way she ripped her sister or whatever. Her sister may be the bitch she says she is, but this attack seemed undeserved. If anything, she should have responded in a similar but more civil manner and if that provoked an argument, fine. But she just had her kids over at this lady's house-- if she's that evil, why expose her kids to this?

[CSI Willows]

34. Wow!

Good for you! I should really assert myself against my Republican relatives, they give me a lot of crap. I'm too nice of a person to them, and they aren't nice to me in return. They really don't deserve my respect.

[scottcsmith]

35. You don't always have to be nice...

You sound like a great mother to me.

[regnaD kciN]

37. YEAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup:

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. Bravo!

I'm quoting this line because I told my husband I would say the same thing to his relatives if my son ever got drafted:

"Ill tell you what Sue, if anything happens to MY stepson or any of my children because of your vapid stupidity and ignorant backing of the Bush administration, dont EVER expect to hear from me again...you call yourself a Christian? Bullshit...You are not a Christian, you are following the AntiChrist."

BTW, this thanksgiving my husband's family was very ginger with me. I've boycotted their family get-togethers for the last two years and I think they knew they were on probation. The brother who is married to the fundy Christian actually told me that it's a natural thing to tune out your spouse the longer you're married. I think he was trying to tell me that he no longer believes as she does.

[bearfan454]

39. You did damn good !

Way to go.

[zanana]

40. I did the same thing.

I got really tired of being told I shouldn't get "emotional" or "overreact". so I don't do that anymore. I just tell my freeper family members that if they even make a reference to freeper politics, they can either hang up the phone or walk out the door. (Of course, now they think I'm having psychological problems). I've since hung up the phone on a couple of them, and now I wonder why it took me so long.

[bleedingheart]

41. Good for you! its time everyone just spoke their mind

I wasn't present for Thanksgiving in Grand Rapids MI this year but my Dem in-laws told me how my one sister-in-law was gushing over Bush's visit to the troops... well my one brother-in-law tore her a new one and told her that those troops wouldn't be there if not for that ass in the white house and with casualties mounting every day it was turning out to be a disaster...

I guess she was pretty stunned to be confronted...but I think she may have a turn around since she is scheduled for deployment in January as an nurse for the Air Force...perhaps when she starts seeing our boys and girls with their limbs missing and their futures severely altered she won't be so gung ho for that bastard....it just pains me every day that we are in this useless war!!!!!

[radfringe]

42. everybody has a line

and sometimes someone will cross that line

sounds like your sister-in-law did just that

I'm usually even-tempered, easy-going and just let things roll off my back - but once in awhile



I explode....

[nostamj]

43. to my surprise...

i found a new dem ally in the family this thanksgiving.

i make it a point NOT to start conversations on politics at family events. that said, i will NOT allow RW BS to go unchallenged.

this thanksgiving it was my brother-in-law's brother who went on a rant about Iraq, the medicare bill and all things bushco. (i just filled in a few facts and clarifications.)

he will be joining DU in the coming weeks when he *finally* gets online. i promised to provide an A-list of dem/anti-bush sites.

and a BRAVA to you Mari. the self-righteous, 'god is on MY side' types need a sharp slap to their blindered reality.

[Demonaut]

44. Right On

Man!!!!, It aint funny anymore.

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[GCP]

46. "I don't even need to explain how wrong this is"

Where have you been for the past 11 years?

From the very beginning of Clinton's presidency, the right wing was gunning for him and they've succeeded in dividing this country as never before since the Civil War.

Families are tearing themselves apart because of the repukes and their lies, and their willing sycophants, the media.

Mari did exactly the right thing in drawing the line. Sometimes people have to be forced to look at what's happening here, otherwise it's going to be too late.

I sometimes think it's already too late.

[Lindsey]

47. I say good for you mari333

sometimes we have to say what we believe and that IS NOT BEING PETTY!!

[Hogarth]

55. Absolutely! And I get to be her husband!

I just said preliminary goodbyes to my (our) son, and I can't keep the tears from coming. He said he might stop by before crawling on the bus at one of the clock, ante-meridiam to be taken to Fort Schnelling for special processing.

In the meantime I'm going to drink beer and listen to Pete Townshend on the stereo. That may sound goofy, but my son prescribed it for me before he drove away.

Man! This sucks. He did appreciate my referring to the president as Chmpy McFuckwit. He feels the same about his commander-in-chief (and I use that term lightly).

[AnnabelLee]

49. I don't think it was blackmail at all

Just tellin' it like it is. If amybody has a right to do that, it's Mari333.

WTG, Mari!:toast:

[reknewcomer]

50. What is the definition of blackmail then?

If "If you and your PromiseKeeper husband vote for Bush again, you might as well know Im cutting you and the rest of the family who votes for Bush OFF forever" does not fit the bill then what is missing?

Blackmail has to party preference.

[AnnabelLee]

52. All of the definitions of blackmail I've found

involve the revealing of some sort of information:

From dictionary.com:


black·mail ( P ) Pronunciation Key (blkml)
n.

Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information.
Something of value extorted in this manner.

From my much-used, 1998 Random House Webster's Dictionary:

A payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations.

That's not what Mari333 told her relative.

[Bertha Venation]

51. YOU ROCK

and I'm not worthy.
Mari... jesus... :yourock: !

[progressiverealist]

53. would you mind speaking to my in-laws for me?

They sound about the same. They're trying to get my 15 month old daughter to be a republican while I try to get her to eat vegetables.

You're one awesome Mother as I have said before. Wanna be my daughter's adopted Grandma? :)

[Blue Gardener]

54. You're Awesome!

I commend you! Gives me courage to speak up when the inevitable time comes with my fundie relatives.

[Padraig18]

57. Good for you!

:)

[Interrobang]

59. Sometimes you just can't be nice anymore.

I've had some really nuclear arguments about politics with my dad -- he's naturally a bit of a hawk, so it took him a while to figure out that Bush is really an idiot, and that Chretien really *was* doing the right thing. Hell, he didn't even believe me that the US was involved in financing mujahadeen in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet occupation, until I whipped an article on him where Jimmy Carter's foreign minister admitted to it! I just got tired of his being patronizing and spouting off at me about how "smart" Bush is, when it's blatantly obvious to anyone paying more than a shred of attention that he's dumb as a rock. So I got mad, and pushed back.

Granted, it's not the best method of creating domestic harmony, but it is cathartic!

Well done! There's a time to be polite, and there's a time to shove back!