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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:04 AM Original message |
Rap= simple discussion-Are they musicians? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. Damn I got to go to work in a few minutes here |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Sorry, but that's as illogical an argument as asking |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. that was exactly my argument |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. zing! (nt) |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
3. Of course they are - just a different type of musician |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. LOL, great minds do indeed think alike. |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. scratching may be one form |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. When did you become the arbiter of what is and is not music? |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. It is two different mediums |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. In later years? Jerry painted for YEARS. |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. It's funny |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Little hint for you, people were saying EXACTLY the same thing |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I'll be dead by then |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. If by "good discussion point" you mean making a sweeping sterotypical |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. I actually was |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Then I would think that you would know how ill-placed your argument |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. Do you think installation art is art? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Why am I picturing the first class in "Dead Poets Society" when |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Well, here's the way I look at it. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Bingo, art, whatever it's form, be it poetry, music, a painting on canvas, |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. I wouldn't say subjective |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. You're right. I should have said that judgments related to art |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. It is bigotry |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
69. I don't think anybody is saying it is not art. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Music _is_ an art. |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Yes music is an art. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Using your definition, the Doors were not music, after all, it was merely |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #92 |
108. No, Jim Morrisson sang most of his poems. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. So, by your definition then, Biz Markey would be a musician because |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I have no idea who that is. But if he plays a musical instrument |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Ummm, he's a rapper. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Yes, it's music. |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #95 |
109. It would be true if they sang the lines. But they do not. |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. They may be artists. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #65 |
100. See the Merriam-Webster definition of music upthread. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. I hate to play the dictionary card, but... |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
70. Except that they often don't compose and rather use |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. Why should they comform? |
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Clintmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. I've been silent about this subject up to this point... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. OH NO, they put swear words in their music ? Can't have that now can we? |
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Clintmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Oh, please. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Unnecessary? Perhaps, but how many days do you go without |
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ghostsofgiants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
83. A lot of rappers can sing. |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Yikes! |
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Clintmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Those two boys certainly have changed... |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Oh please |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Generalize much? |
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ghostsofgiants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
86. That would mean creating an informed opinion. |
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imperialismispasse (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
99. One more thing.. re: rappers can't sing |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
13. Are drummers musicians? |
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Beware the Beast Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
18. Assembling programmed beats, samples, and scratching is an art form. |
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tjdee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
22. Is Keith Richards a musician? Rapping isn't so easy--try it. |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
71. Again, that makes poets of them. |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. Plenty of Musicians only play one instrument, but how do you know? |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I will bet that |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. So you get to define what's singing then? |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. give her a couple of years and I bet she could play it. |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. How do you know they can't? |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I don't know if they can't |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
50. I'm not trying to define music |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Rappers Delight was released in 1979 |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
88. "Rock And Roll Has Got To Go" |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
32. Well, the "Hype-Man" isn't, I think that we can all agree on that |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Are you saying that Flava Flav isn't a musician? |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. He's a performer. Like a Mime with Tourrettes, or maybe an autistic |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. That's why he wears one around his neck. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Now you're getting it |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
34. As a Professional Musician and one who worked for CBS as a ... |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Music doesn't have to be hard |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Nope, it doesn't have to be hard . . . ever heard Phillip Glass? |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. What you say is very True. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
107. So, I Guess It Doesn't Matter That We Have A President Who Knows Nothing! |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Don't give up on Polka Music! |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. The only good thing about polka music is that where there's polka |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
62. You know ..some of the Swedish Polka stuff is rather,, |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #34 |
48. actually I agree with you |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. It already HAS stood the test of time. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #51 |
102. over 30 years, it was all over new york in 75 and 76... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Of course, but I was referring more to it's mainstream acceptance |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
35. Most pioneering blues, country & rock artists would not .... |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
57. I thimk you're right |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Commercialism? |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. Yep...ET Awful..Ain't it the truth. |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
78. I'm sure there are artists in the rap |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Mmmmmhmm, so you've said. But your own source of what is and |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
91. So--Classical musicians play for free? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
59. Some Are. Some Ain't |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Biz Markey was an artist, still is. It's just that his art is more comedy |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. That's A Fine Example Too |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. You don't find comedy acts doing music funny? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:14 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. No & Yes! |
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edbermac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
60. Rap music makes me long for the days of Frankie and Annette |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
64. Rap itself is music. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
67. Rappers aren't musicians. They're Poets |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Thank you |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. True, but it was much later than the 40's/50's |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #67 |
96. LIghtnin' Hopkins improvised many of his lyrics.... |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
104. Some would call it "verse" rather than poetry, though. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
75. I am a musician who plays 5+ instruments, and I say rap IS music |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. In my earlier post |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. LOL . . . do you even think about what you're saying? |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. whatever |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. So is it your contention that rock isn't commercial? |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Rock is commercial |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. If you had an "open taste in music" you wouldn't try to deny that |
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bballny (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. counrty is music |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. LOL . . . once again, you use arguments that apply to all forms of music |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Why are people going after rap again today? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I think it had to do with the song from Hustle & Flow winning |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. I never saw that movie. I heard it was awful, though. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. No clue, I just know it was rap |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. I'd like to know what the song is, but I'm not sure I want to wade |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
79. This might be the saddest thread ever on DU. |
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jane_pippin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
84. "I only ask most rappers to prove their musicianship." |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
93. Crap, I only play cello! I'm not a musician! |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Well I only play clarinet and trumpet . . . well I used to, it's been |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
106. Damn. That was fast. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #106 |
114. Bwahahahahaha! |
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119. Locking. |
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