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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:01 AM
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How Often Do You Change Your Oil (in your car)?
I am sp confused. Sometimes people tell me you really need to change it every 2500 miles. But today at the Jeep dealership they told me every 6-7 thousand miles.

Anybody know the truth here? Is it really better for your car to change the oil more often? Or is 7,000 OK?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:03 AM
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1. It depends on the type of oil used in the previous change...
Cheap oil... 2,500 to 3,000
Better oil... 3,000 to 5,000

New synthetic blends... 5,000 to 10,000 (But, I'd never take it beyond 7,000)
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:04 AM
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2. Due to newer synthetic oils, Chrysler will recommend every 5-7
thousand, depending on your car. MrG and I still change ours every 3000. He had an 88 Dodge Ram that still runs like new and the engine is in excellent condition. It's 3,000 for us. :hi:
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:05 AM
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3. Depends
Most cars I would recommend every 3K miles or 3 months. If your using synthetic oil like Mobil1 you can go longer but if your car is under warranty stick with what they tell you in the service manual. On my car it's every 10K and synthetic oil is mandatory.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:08 AM
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4. I asked about synthetic and they told me I was nuts
Well, they didn't put it like that but they really discouraged it - and said it would cost about $80.

Do the dealerships use cheap oil?
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:28 AM
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8. How many miles on the car?
If it already has a lot of miles it may not be worth it for synthetic. From what I remember its best to start using it early to get the most benefit from it.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:40 AM
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12. It has 20,000 on it.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:59 AM
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17. Not that many miles
Edited on Thu May-11-06 11:03 AM by seemunkee
You should switch but remember you should NOT mix synthetic with conventional oil. Carry a spare with you so you can add it if needed.

As a word of caution. No matter what oil you use stay with the maintenance schedule that the dealer recommends. If you don't and something happens to the cengine they may try to deny you the repair under the warranty. Keep records of changes if the dealer is not doing them.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 06:50 PM
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51. You can mix synthetic with conventional oil
Go to a car parts place and you're sure to find lubricants like Castrol Syntec Blend. It is 25 percent synthetic oil, 75 percent mineral oil. The major advantage is it makes the oil slicker, which gives you better fuel economy and longer engine life. Unfortunately, synthetic blends have the same change interval as mineral oils do.

Following is Jim's Aperiodic Posting Explaining Everything He Knows About Motor Oil. Follow its recommendations at your own risk.

1. MOTOR OIL is a liquid lubricant designed to keep the pieces of your engine from touching each other. Many of these parts are separated by a film of oil two or three molecules thick, so this product is very important to your health and well-being.

2. There are three kinds of motor oil: Castor Oil, Mineral Oil and Synthetic Oil.

3. CASTOR OIL was discovered to be a very good motor oil during World War II. The allies needed a substitute for mineral oil because all the crude oil, which mineral oil is made from, was being turned into motor fuel. They tried castor oil, which is made by pressing the beans of the Castor Bean Plant, and discovered that not only does it keep the engine from sticking together, it bears the unique property of getting thicker when it's heated. Very important when you're running it in an airplane engine. We've turned away from this oil because it's too expensive and it doesn't last as long in the engine.

4. MINERAL OIL is made by refining petroleum. There's a bunch of stuff you need to know, so listen close:

a. The first thing you need to know is, what's the viscosity? IOW, how thick is the oil? There is a tradeoff here: if the oil's too thick, you'll waste energy pushing the engine through it; too thin, and the film of oil coating all your engine's parts can collapse, allowing the moving pieces of your engine to touch. (This would be bad.) The thicknesses, or viscosities, are rated using a scale developed by the Society of Automotive Engineers--SAE. The ratings go from zero to way in fuck up there--IIRC 150 is the thickest oil I have ever seen, although I've never seen battleship gearbox oil. Motor oils run from SAE 0 to SAE 50; everything else is called gear oil and you'll see it in manual transmissions, rear-ends on rear-wheel-drive cars, and the like. Generally speaking, new cars want to see an SAE 30 oil, new trucks want an SAE 40 oil and motorcycles want SAE 50.

aa. So what's this "10W30" shit? Glad you asked. This is a "multigrade" oil made for year-round use. It has two ratings. The first is the arctic, or "winter" rating and it's marked with the W. That W doesn't mean "weight." The other is the summer rating. These are measured with a tool called a Saybolt Viscosimeter--essentially a bucket with a hole in the bottom of it. There is one for the summer rating and a different one with a bigger hole for the arctic rating. To test the summer rating of the oil, cover the hole. Heat two ounces of oil to 212 degrees F and put it in the viscosimeter. Unplug the hole and time how long it takes for all the oil to run out, then compare it to the SAE table of viscosities. If SAE 40 oil is supposed to take between 100 and 120 seconds to clear the viscosimeter and this batch takes 115, guess what you've got. To check the oil's arctic rating, chill it to 0 degrees F and test it. (Now you know why the hole's bigger.)

ab. It gets even more fun: If you were to take just plain old unadulterated mineral oil that was capable of moving at all at 0 degrees F and heat it to 212 degrees F, it would be even thinner than water. (This is possible.) To get the oil thin enough to move at 0 but thick enough to keep the engine from collapsing in upon itself two minutes after you started it, we use viscosity improvers--complex polymers that shrivel up when they're cold and expand when they're hot.

ac. Europe used to rate their oil in Saybolt Universal Seconds--the number of seconds it took for two ounces of oil to clear the viscosimeter. Today European oils are all rated in SAE for two reasons--the automakers like it better, and the oilmakers can sell oil made for Europe in the US without replacing the labels.

ad. You'll see "HD" or "Heavy Duty" oils on the shelves. They're always single-grade. The viscosity modifiers shear off under heavy load, which keeps them from working properly. HD oil doesn't have them, so it performs better under lots of stress. If you use HD oil, watch the temperature chart and be willing to change oil grades two or three times a year.

b. Next is the API Service Rating. There are two--S and C. S ratings are for gasoline engines, and they run from SA to SM. SA oil is pure, unadulterated mineral oil. I buy this for my oil squirt can because it's really cheap and works okay for that. Don't put it in an engine. Don't even put it in your lawn mower. The two ratings you should care about are SF and SM. If you've got a car made before 1988, SF oil is just dandy and will save you some money. SM oil is more expensive to make because the additive package--detergents, viscosity modifiers, volatility modifiers--is more expensive. (The big one is the volatility modifier package. Someone at one of the big engineering schools discovered that by changing the way oil offgasses VOCs, you can change the amount of pollution in the atmosphere. They started using volatility modifiers at API Service SL and it's continued in Service SM.) There was no API SI or SK, and the ratings are upgraded every three years.

ba. API "C" ratings are for diesels. The top rating is CI-4 Plus for the next few months, but API CJ has been published. Not all S-rated oil carries a C rating--Castrol is famous for not supporting diesels. Every C-rated oil carries an S rating because an oil that works in a diesel will by default work in a gas engine. There are two kinds of oils that carry API C ratings. One of them is basically a gas-engine oil that will pass the C ratings, and you'll see something like API SM/CG on that oil. The other is specifically engineered to be a diesel engine oil. Here the ratings are far more complex. They'll start with the C-ratings, and generally they'll start with the highest rating and work backward. (If you've got an engine that costs $12,000 to rebuild and the manual says "use API Service CG oil" you are damn sure going to put an oil that passed the API CG tests in the engine. So, this stuff is tested for multiple ratings.) They then list the API S ratings the oil meets--this is important because a fleet operator buys motor oil in 55-gallon drums and puts the same oil in every vehicle the company owns. And finally, each engine builder tests and approves oils for its engines. So far, Caterpillar does not approve of synthetic oil in its engines and will deny warranty claims if it's in there. Even though synthetics are even better in a big engine than in a small one, the two favorite heavy-duty diesel oils are Shell Rotella T and Chevron Delo 400. These guys KNOW what those oils do. (Oh yeah: if you've got an aircooled Volkswagen run nothing but Shell Rotella T 15W40 in it.)

bc. Outside of the United States, the International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee, or ILSAC, tests oil. ILSAC GF-3 is the current rating.

c. There's also an "Energy Conserving" label on some oils. This one people are kinda glib about...the oil is supposedly slicker, which makes the engine require less fuel to run. I've gone through lots of oils, and it seems that the Energy Conserving ones are all something-W-30 oils. If you've got a vehicle that can take 30-weight oil, why not?

5. SYNTHETIC OIL falls into three categories.
Polyalphaolefin oils are made from carbon monoxide. No shit. Through some weird heat-and-pressure process, PAO oils fall out. These are called "true synthetics." Mobil 1 and AMSOIL are polyalphaolefin oils.

Hydrocracked oil is very highly refined mineral oil. The hydrocracking process pulls the undesirable components out of the oil. Because the oil isn't the same as regular mineral oil, they can call it synthetic even though it's really not. Castrol Syntec and Motorcraft oils are both hydrocracked. (Before they install the additive package, hydrocracked oil looks like very thick water.)

Synthetic blends...see all the way to the top.

6. Oil Change Intervals are weird. The manuals all state "normal driving" and "severe service." Severe service includes stop-and-go driving, extended idling, operation at slow speeds...yes, this is normal driving. If the manual calls for service every 5000 miles, that's all you need do. If it wants service at 3000 miles, once again that's what you do. Remember: auto warranties are a form of insurance...and did you ever see a form of insurance where the underwriter didn't try to deny every claim he possibly could?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:04 PM
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45. Use synthetic. It's worth the minimum extra expense.
Spousal unit has been running it in his '73 Blazer since he bought it new. The old girl still has legs; he overhauled the engine once.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:09 AM
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5. Just think
If you sold your car and replaced it with a bicycle you wouldn't have to worry about things like this
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:29 AM
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9. Wow! That's amazing
You packed so much information about motor oil choices in that single comment!

Bravo, sir, BRAVO :applause:
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 12:58 PM
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25. Is that the motoring equivalent of
the "use a Mac/just use Linux" response to any Windows-based computer question? :shrug:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:16 PM
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27. Get a BIKE!
:D
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:50 PM
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31. You should get one of these bikes
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:12 PM
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40. Precisely!
and just as helpful too!

:hi:
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:57 PM
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33. Just think
If we all lived, worked, and shopped within the same 10 miles radius and the weather were perfect every day, your proposal might have some merit!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:07 PM
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34. why is perfect weather a requirement?
I'm genuinely curious.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:11 PM
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35. Yes, I was coming back to that on edit actually
Absolutely true - perfect weather is not a requirement. Nice-ish is good enough. I stand by my others, though.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:27 PM
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36. Was just planting a seed
When I got sick of car maintenance I went the carless route. It's easier than most people think and I highly recommend it. There were plenty of other factors involved; like a desire to spend money on other things and feeling silly protesting oil wars while consuming lots of oil
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:45 PM
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37. And I'm not trying to be snarky
Just playing Devil's Advocate. Did you have any overlap between car and bike ownership? I find it the best of both worlds - no short car hops in town, but I can still climb the hill out of town.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:09 PM
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39. for about 10 years I owned no car
I always kept a valid drivers license. I'd rent or rely on AMTRAK or friends to leave town. Now I'm married to someone who has a car but we leave it parked most of the time. She walks to work.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:14 PM
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41. Just think
If none of us had disabilities that would prevent such an idea, it would have some merit.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:24 AM
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6. Check your manual
With a lot of the newer vehicles, they're recommending a longer period between oil changes. I try to do mine around every 3000 miles because that's when I've always done it, I remember to do it then and if I do, I don't have to think about it. Also, I tend to take regular long road trips so I'm very keen on preventive maintainence.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:25 AM
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7. Oil?
Car?!?
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:32 AM
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10. What is the year, make, model and how many miles do you have on it?
Nobody can really answer your question until they have that information.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:41 AM
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14. 2004 Jeep Wrangler - X 20,000 miles
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:43 AM
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16. Cool....but, unfortunately I know exactly zero about jeeps...or the
newer cars.

There is a great mechanic here on DU; I hope he sees this thread. I can't remember his name, but the guy sure sounds like he knows his stuff!

Stephanie
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:34 AM
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11. I always changed my oil at 3000 miles using conventional oil
Edited on Thu May-11-06 10:38 AM by doc03
but the last couple years I switched to Castrol Syntec which I change at 5000 miles to offset the extra cost of the oil.
on edit: I think I get a little better gas mileage from the synthetic and 5000 miles is within the range recommended by the manufacturer.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:42 AM
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15. I get lousy mileage.
I'm hoping the new oil and then they put a cleaner in to get the old oil off of stuff.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:01 AM
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18. Castrol Syntec is not a true synthetic
They changed the formula a few years ago.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:23 AM
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19. Gawd now someone wants to argue about oil
it says on the bottle (full synthetic). I don't care what conventional oil you would use someone would always claim they know a mechanic that said if you tear down a engine using (blank) it is all gummed up. OK, why isn't it a true synthetic and what is?
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:35 AM
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20. I'm not saying its bad
but the only two full synthetics are Amsoil and Mobil1. I used to use Castrol GTX all the time before synthetics became available.

Probably more than you need/want to know about oil
http://www.technilube.com/sections/comps/synth_diff.htm
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:58 AM
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22. I went to the home page of your link Technilube
and apparently they manufacture Amsoil (never seen or heard of it). Ok, I have always used Slick 50 and through my experience it improves gas mileage at least short term. I have read countless comments on on it for probably 30 years from experts and it is either the best thing since sliced bread or a total hoax what do think about Slick 50? I remember reading many times in the past the Quaker State was the best conventional oil and have seen it rated as the best in CR and other publications but if you mention it to anyone they know or know a mechanic that said it is the worst product on the market. Where I live Mobile 1 is always a little more expensive than Castrol unless they are running a sale..
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 12:20 PM
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23. Never investigated Slick 50
I've heard both good and bad but never looked into it myself.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:41 AM
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13. 2005 Corolla - 5k miles. 1995 Tercel - 3k miles. Per dealer.
YMMV. ;)

good luck
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:49 AM
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21. My girlfriend's Mini goes 20k
I think. That is by far the most I have every heard of. I think it is the fancy BMW synthetic oil.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 12:57 PM
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24. Do what your dealer tells you
and mostly manufacturers tell their customers to do different things. Go with what they say.

My car dealer and manufacturer recommend oil change service every 10K miles.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:19 PM
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43. Damn. Is my dealer ripping me off?
I have to do it every 5000. :P
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:03 PM
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26. Every 3,500 miles for a 1997 Toyota Corolla
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:24 PM
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28. old car, burns oil 1 at/300 mi=use cheap oil, change all at 3000 mi
If I had a car that didn't burn oil, I'd use synthetic probably and not change as often, but I don't.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:29 PM
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29. I go by what the manufacturer recommends, not what the oil change store
recommends (of COURSE they want you to change your oil more often!).

For my Sienna, Toyota recommends an oil change every 5000-7500 miles (depending on how the vehicle is used), or twice a year, whichever is greater.

We usually change it on the 5000-mile mark.
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RedSpartan Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 01:45 PM
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30. Every 5000 in my Volvo (I use synthetic oil)
and every 3000 in my Jeep (regular oil)
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:23 PM
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32. While the car is under warranty-
You should follow the manufacturer's recommendations, for reasons that have been mentioned already. After that, with average driving habits and conditions, every 5000 miles is usually sufficient (even with conventional oils).
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:54 PM
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What?!? You have to CHANGE THE OIL on cars???




Jaysus! Who knew?


:shrug:


I suppose not ever changing it would be a bad thing, then.



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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:54 PM
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38. What?!? You have to CHANGE THE OIL on cars???




Jaysus! Who knew?


:shrug:


I suppose not ever changing it would be a bad thing, then.



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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:07 PM
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47. It's also a good idea to change the bag in your vacuum now and then.

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:18 PM
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42. Usually every 3000 miles.
But the last time I did it they put a sticker for 5000 on my windshield. That's coming up pretty soon, actually.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:37 PM
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44. Twice a year. It never needs it.
My car leaks a pint of oil a week. There are 3.2 quarts of oil in an Accord, so every six weeks all the oil has been replaced with fresh.

I change it every six months just to get the crap-filled filter off the engine.
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:06 PM
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46. Me, normal 5W30, every 3000 miles.
My vehicle has 199,302 miles today, and I need it to last another 100,000.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:08 PM
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48. Let me put it this way...
I was supposed to get the oil changed when I came down to Stevens Point last September...

I still haven't gotten it changed yet...
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:34 PM
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49. I change my oil and filter every 3000 miles or so...
I do the job myself to save on money. It's easy to do but remember, disposing of the old oil can be a chore. I used to just pour it in a certain spot behind the garage but, of course, this caused a bare patch in the lawn back there that wouldn't fill back in.

So now I have to hike it all the way out to the back of my property where there is a little pond/ marshy kind of area. Putting it directly into the pond requires getting too wet and messy but emptying it into some of the deeper pools of standing water on the perimeter helps diffuse the waste and saves my lawn from further damage.

If you don't have access to a similar "wet" area a close by storm drain can help out with disposal as well.




































































:evilgrin:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 05:42 PM
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50. Every 3000 miles
even though the dealer put it to almost 4500 after my last oil change.
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