A GD thread made me think about something

[JVS]

Yeah, a first, I'll admit it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1257268&mesg_id=1257268

Is it possible to rationalize making more work for the serfs at the bookstore by saying that without fucking around with the books, they'd be out of a job?

[StellaBlue]

1. As a former bookseller

NO! douchebag behavior

[Nevernose]

2. That's why I never put the cart back at the grocery store

'Cause I used to be the poor bastard who put the carts back. In the Mojave. In August.

Not putting shit away, while a genuine pain in the ass for those who have to out it away for those people too goddamned-lazy-to-put-it-away-themselves, is good for the American economy. And most retailers just accept that stuff as part of life, and then move on to thinking about how unions are bad for them.

[lpbk2713]

13. Likewise

And if I decide I don't want a product I put it down wherever I happen to be in the store rather than taking it back to where I got it from, unless it's a cold or frozen item.

[SacredCow]

24. I hope that you at least put it in the buggy corrall....

Otherwise, I have some dings in my car's paint job that I directly attribute to people like you! :spank:

[NMMNG]

3. Definitely makes you Summer's Eve material

Going out of your way to make life harder for peons is not the way to make a statement. The average buttmunch who wants one of those books isn't going to miss out because it's been "180"d and s/he couldn't find it. They'd be too lazy to look for it on their own and would ask the clerk to get it for them. The clerk, knowing where it was supposed to be, would find the location and discover the backwards book and easily figure out the ruse. They see those books so much they know them up down and every other way.

[Broken_Hero]

4. douche bag behavior n/t

[jukes]

5. i like to swap

soft-core porn w/ the tapes in boxes of "Left Behind", preferably those w/ an anal premise.

[genie_weenie]

6. This is more frightening

than DUers are willing to admit. People who would hide or remove a book so others can not see it definitely have a streak of Censorship and a feeling of "I-know-what's-best" attitude.

The mere act indicates the 180s think by removing the item they can affect people's thoughts and ideas. It's an easy slippery slope which leads to more active methods to inhibit those "Evil" books.

[jukes]

12. perhaps that's an overstatement

and a naive view of political activism.

"censorship?" "slippery slope?"


perhaps it's merely an expression of a wistfull "outlaw" desire.

i dowt any1 here ACTUALLY turns boox backward; i know i really have better things to do w/ my time than tediously swapping out video tapes.

if really i wanted to act-out social-outrage it wd prbly take the form of a mass of eryritoltetranitrate w/ a methylethylketone peroxide booster, tactilly placed to draw maximum attention.

like the rest of us, i think i'll just vote foe the least corrupt political party, hope for the best, and vent here in the lounge.

[xmas74]

7. I responded to the post

w/ what I do. I don't "180" a book.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1257268&mesg_id=1263669

[GirlinContempt]

8. No

As a bookstore worker, fucking around with books is more likely to put me out of work.

It's my job to put away books. If it constantly seems wrong, I'll get in shit. If we can't find a book thats on the internet when it's ordered, I'll get in shit. And eventually fired if it happens enough.

People like to rationalize acting like children any way they can, instead of facing up to the idea that they aren't doing what they think they should to make a difference. I wish they'd just find a meeting to organize or something and stop trying to convince me they're radicals :P ;)

[jukes]

10. on the other hand

perhaps it provides job security?

after all, they must have some1 to straighten the books, otherwise anarchy & chaos will ensue.

since browsing is adjunctive to any bookstore's business, i wd find it unlikely that disarray wd result in joblessness. in such a milieu, i'd feel prompted to find a more meaningful occupation.


BTW, levity and playfulness are a necessary facet of life. an occasional prank neither affirms nor negates one's "radical" quotient".




i've said before, & i'll repeat: folks take shit WAY too serious here sometimes. i'll add that exaggerated circumstances do not a calamity make.

[GirlinContempt]

14. Eh, wrong.

In my bookstore, if it keeps happening, I will lose my job. When I said it before, I meant it. Lose. My. Job.

Some people do take things way too seriously on the internet, and you're one of them. We're all guilty of it. But you also seem to be implying that people over react and over state when that isn't necessarily the case, and it strikes me as a stifling of discussion and opinion that ill behooves us to engage in.

I've said this before, and I'll repeat it: People need to step back from their actions and stop treating low wage earners like shit.

[jukes]

15. you have no idea

what i take seriously. well, maybe cats. o'wise, i often take a stance just to elicit a response. among the things you shdnt take seriously, i'm def one.

you don't know me, GiC. you know an online persona. judge me if you like; those are the responses i enjoy. this is entertainment, not my life.

hate me, *ignore* me, spar w/me, gossip about me. i don't let that sort of thing concern me, and when i walk away from the keyboard, i do entirely other things that you cdnt even imagine, based on your assesment of "jukes"!


people *DO* over-react. when you're more experienced you'll understand that.

i do not believe that any DUers are rifling your stacks out of disrespect for your social-standing. i don't believe, not for an instant, that DUers are wasting their time disrupting the organization of bookstores. period.

most likely, if you really are victimized by intentional mussing-of-boox, it's younger teen-age boys effing around because they're bored & innately destructive. more likely people are merely browsing & don't put things back where they belong because they're lazy & inconsiderate. but, do take it personally if you really need to.

as to stifling discussion, i *stimulate* discussion. look how much you got to vent based on my post!

BTW, if your employers are that unrealistic, lose that job! it's not like you've got a doctorate in bookshelving or have invested your entire education just to be abused by poor managers. i'd sugg waiting tables. you'd put up w/ just as much shit from inconsiderate people, but it pays much better.



also, i bag my own groceries rather than wait impatiently for the cashier, i speak politely and w/ complete respect to anyone until they are rude to me, & i tip well, because i know waitrons work hard and get paid little actual wage. that's what *I* do, not jukes.

[GirlinContempt]

17. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about

If your reply wasn't run of the mill over reaction, I'm not sure what is.

You say you do things just for a reaction, and then when you GET a reaction, you act like it's someone else's problem. Yes, I'm going to judge that. You're responding to me like I follow you around engaging you in argument day in day out, which I don't. You're responding to me as if YOU actually care, which you claim not to.

You don't have to be condescending to me just because I don't agree with you. It's not really necessary, unless you're looking for some sort of 'reaction' that you can then complain about later. People do over react, I didn't claim that they don't. Either your poor sentences have me confused, or you're putting words and ideas into my mouth that never originated there.

I don't take things personally until I start reading about people who claim to do these things intentionally. Then, I take the disregard for the employees somewhat personally, being one of those employees.

You don't stimulate discussion, jukes. Wake up and smell the coffee. You annoy people into responding to your overblown, intentionally misleading and inflammatory posts. That isn't a discussion stimulation, that's lighting a match and fanning the flames.

I'm not 'venting' based on what 'you've' said. You need to back up and stop being so paranoid. Then again, maybe you have reason to think people are running around talking about you and attacking you, because you encourage them to do so.

The very fact that you're implying I should ignore childish, stupid behaviour and just lose my job because some people are jerks is laughable. As are your assumptions.

[jukes]

19. well, now

that was precious!

[JVS]

20. Yeah, the "we're providing jobs" line sounds a lot like....

Supply-side Jesus

[GirlinContempt]

21. There also seems to be this assumption

that they'll hire someone to put away the books. :eyes:

No. I already have to work the till, answer the phone, help customers, take orders, put away new stock, vacuum, dust, rotate stock, find orders, update the computers, etc etc. and intentionally making messes just means I have to add that to my day's list of things to try and get done.

I suspect it's the same elsewhere too, it's been the same in other jobs I've had.

[JVS]

22. Yeah, it's BS. And even worse, it's the kind of thinking that many...

would accuse freepers of but don't realize that they're guilty of it themselves.

[GirlinContempt]

23. I agree.

Imagine the outrage if someone suggested that you throw your trash all over the ground, because it will create jobs! McDonalds will hire people to go out and clean the parking lot up, so you get to be a lazy bum and help the economy! :eyes:

[jukes]

25. satirical comment

is subtlety a lost art?

[JVS]

26. Oh Jukes, I know you better than to think it isn't sarirical, but there...

are many who seem to seriously belive in the "well i'm just keeping them employed" line of bull

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[GirlinContempt]

28. Oh Jukes would you get over yourself

You can't run around openly claiming to try and piss people off and then turn around and act indignant when they do get pissed off. Actually, I guess you can because you do. Why am I even responding to you?
Your insults are totally unnecessary, and you're acting like a spoilt child. Get over yourself.

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[GirlinContempt]

34. Seriously, you should try.

Because you look like a fool, running around calling me out all over the thread, taking offense to things I've said that have nothing to do with you, and being nasty and insulting because we disagree about something.

[ContraBass Black]

9. Is this like that "Let's protest Wal-mart by screwing up the shelves"

douchebaggery?


EDIT: Yes, it is.

[realisticphish]

11. Douchebaggery

You may get personal satisfaction, but it is fucking annoying for the employees. I work in a library, so I've had to deal with similar issues

[JohnKleeb]

16. I think it's a douchebaggery thing to do

I mean those books most definely annoy the hell out of me but I think it's wrong to move them. Hell sometimes I read them for a second but to be honest the political section of the bookstore isn't hte one I frequent, it's either the sports or history section.

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[Mutley]

18. It does create more work but there is another reason for it.

Displays generate sales. Sales mean profit. Profit means the CEO gets a bigger Christmas bonus. The serfs get a $.10/hr raise. I love retail. :thumbsup:

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[HEyHEY]

31. Hey, dude, calm down

[JVS]

32. Blessed are the peacemakers!

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[Mutley]

35. If *someone* can't tell I'm being sarcastic

then I could care less about his/her soapbox.

[Call Me Wesley]

37. Locking.

This thread has turned into a flamefest, and these are always hurtful.

Call Me Wesley
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