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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:32 AM
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What does a man's refusal to wear Pink, say about his views towards women?
What does a man's refusal to wear Pink, say about his views towards women?

It's interesting that you don't hear women being ashamed to wear blue because it's a boys color. So when guys refuse to wear pink citing it's a "Girls" color. What does that say about their views of women? Does it mean that they believe femaleness is beneath them, is degrading, etc?
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:35 AM
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1. They are insecure in their own masculinity...
They probably DO look at women as being 'beneath' them, but that is just another symptom of the true problem... insecurity.
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:37 AM
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2. In and of itself it means nothing at all. n/t
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:37 AM
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3. I don't wear pink because it makes my face look orange.
So does red. It's got nothing to do with "girl's color". it's got everything to do with me not wanting to look like an oompah loompah.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:37 AM
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4. I think 1) it means they have a low self-image of their masculinity.
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 09:42 AM by Rabrrrrrr
Low enough that it is actually threatened by a color. Or, depending on the man, 2) that they have a very low opinion of women, and thus don't want to risk being called one - not because of a low sense of their own masculinity, but because they wish not to be associated with that which they hold to be of lower value; almost a hyper-sense of masculinity with a concomitant belief in the superiority of masculinity in toto over the feminine; or, 3) they simply have a very immature (perhaps because of their church or synagogue) understanding of gender, gender roles, and an inability to differentiate between socially defined gender roles and "intrinsically God-given" gender roles (of which there are none, of course, but the immature and religiously insane don't realize that all their "God-given" gender roles are, in fact, random social definitions, not to be found in the Bible, Torah, or anywhere); or, 4) take any of the above and also mix that in with a total non-understanding/fear/hatred of homosexuality and their own sexual issues in relation to it.

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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:21 PM
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24. Rabrrrrrr I tend to agrree with you
I read the piece in LBN about putting guys in Pink Jumpsuits at a local jail.

When the crime rate in an area drops not because of being put in jail but because of being forced to wear a Pink Jumpsuit. I really started to wonder what that says about men in this country as a whole. As well as what it says about the people who would either not commit a crime or do so elsewhere to avoid having to wear a Pink Jumpsuit.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:38 AM
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5. It can mean nothing
I just don't like pink. The only article of clothing I own with pink on it is an old ACT/UP shirt. I only stopped wearing it because I outgrew it.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:39 AM
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6. I wore a pink Tux to my high school prom
My girl friend at that time wore a slinky black dress. I really wish I still had a picture of it, we looked awesome.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:58 AM
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7. Nothing. It is a negative view of pink and a desire not to be...
...something he is not. The fact that a man veiws himself as, well, manly and does not want to deviate from that has no other implications. Gender is part of our personal identity. For me being asked to dress in a feminine way would be like asking a vegan to wear an NRA shirt. It is just not me and I have no cause to be what I am not.
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kmla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:09 AM
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8. It might mean that the person doesn't like pink.
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 10:48 AM by kmla
Someone's refusal to act as you think they should doesn't always mean that they disagree with your opinion - it just means that they have their own opinion, and are acting as they see fit.

IMO, proscribing anti-feminist rationale to someone's actions just because you don't agree with said action has as much validity as condemning someone for not forwarding a "if you don't forward this Christian e-mail to 10 people in the next 10 minutes, you are ashamed to be a Christian" type of message. Very little.

I don't wear pink shirts because I really don't like the color that much.

But I have a couple of really nice lilac shirts that I wear often. 'Cause I look good in 'em. :-)

Edited for poopy spelling...
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:14 AM
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9. Only a confident man wears pink...
IMHO. :)
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:16 AM
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10. It means that he likes women!
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:46 PM
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29. Do only Gay guys wear pink in your neck of the woods?
Just wondering.

I have a dress Oxford in Pink and IIRC One of my suits is a gray with a bit of pink in the pinstripe. On me anyway I like the way it looks with a gray suit. But maybe I should avoid red states when so attired.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:52 PM
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31. The only time I have ever seen a straight man wearing pink,
it was as part of a dressy suit, and the shirt is a pastel pink (very light, almost indistinguishable, but definitely pink when compared to white). That seems to be acceptable to straight men but that's as far as they will go with the pink, in my opinion. I don't even think gay men wear pink very much, but I think it's more likely for a gay man to wear pink than a straight man. And even then, they may usually do it for the shock value of it, like hot pink at gay pride parades, etc. This is just my limited experience with that color. I personally have never had any article of clothing that is pink. (But I don't wear red, black, green, or any dark colors at all except I will wear dark blue. I guess I'm too picky about color.)
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:28 PM
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39. Actually, in this reddest of red states, it means something totally
different. In the South, rich idiots tend to signal such status to one another by wearing their uniform: pink shirt (Oxford or golf), green khakis, and boat shoes (docksiders/topsiders). According to Urban Dictionary, the pink/green thing is not exclusively Southern but rather is more generally how preppy idiots identify themselves to one another. Regardless, in the South, people won't think you're gay if you wear a pink shirt, but they may assume that you are or want to be a preppy.
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MissHoneychurch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:21 AM
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11. Sounds good to me
I hate seeing pink on guys. Nothing against the guys, but I don't like the color and even less on guys ....
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:30 AM
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12. I think it says that he respects women, and doesn't think they should be
worn, or treated as some kind of accessory. I'm not sure how anyone could "wear" Pink, exactly, anyway:

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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:44 AM
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13. What is the purpose of trying to get a man to wear pink?
And did it ever occur to you that many adult human beings consider it degrading to be told what color to wear?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:46 AM
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14. Not a thing. Puce, however, is suspicious.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:50 AM
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15. nothing
I don't wear pink because I don't like the color.

I also don't wear purple (color of royalty), that doesn't mean I feel royalty is beneath me or is degrading. Don't like that color either.

Actually, looking at now, I don't have many bright colors in my wardrobe. Probably because I'm a very casual guy who just doesn't think much about what he wears, so everything better match with everything else with little or no thought.

I also have a very high opinion of women. Not only am I in a house full of them (wife & 2 daughters), but I prefer working with them (they seem to work twice as hard and complain less).
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:50 AM
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16. That it's an unflattering color to begin with?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:52 AM
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17. I wasn't a huge fan of pink either
until the Code Pink stuff started.... :shrug:

I don't know that it says anything, I don't like dark blue, either.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:52 AM
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18. 9 times out of 10, it means he got the s**t teased out of him for it in
elementary school and never got over it. So a symptom of society's tendency to pigeonhole us into gender roles, but not much of a reflection on him. The worst thing you can say about such a person is that he caved into peer pressure as a child and then never thought about it enough to reconsider later. Whiiiich would cover about 95% of the population last I looked.
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 11:58 AM
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19. Oh geez, I'm a woman and I'm ashamed to wear pink.
It's UGLY, and really should never, NEVER be put into clothes. I really want to know who assigned such an ugly color to girls/women. Why couldn't we have red or purple for that matter?

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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:17 PM
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20. Pink doesn't look good on everyone, man or
woman. That said, I can remember when I belonged to a local gym. There was this very muscular guy who had this hot pink tank top he wore sometimes to work out. I always thought that was so cool that he was that confident because I know a lot of men don't wear pink because they think it's too "girly."
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:19 PM
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21. What does Pink have to say about it? Isn't she married?
Does her husband wear her? Or is that none of our business?

:P
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:19 PM
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22. i don't wear pink because i don't like the color
whether it's girly or not doesn't have anything to do with it

suffice to say it does not fit me well
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:20 PM
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23. It says he was probably teased as a child.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:23 PM
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25. I don't wear pink for 2 reasons...
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 12:24 PM by nickinSTL
neither of them related to my views of women:

1. I just don't like the color. I also don't like yellow or orange.
2. I have a reddish complexion, and anything pink or red makes me look like I'm about to have a heart attack or stroke.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:57 PM
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34. There are a lot of folks that shouldn't wear pink based on your
number two answer...

I have a relative that wears a lot of pink and red and boy...she always looks like she is having a hot flash or a stroke.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:35 PM
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26. it means the person is a self-hating closeted homosexual homophobe
who thinks sexuality is a "lifestyle choice."
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:36 PM
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27. The funny thing is
It wasn't until about the 1940s that pink was for baby girls and blue for baby boys. Before that it was opposite.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:43 PM
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28. Nothing... it says they're insecure about their manhood.
Or they have a small thingie.

Or that they know it looks bad on them. (OMG THEY'RE SO GAY! CAUSE GUYS WHO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FASION ARE GAY! GET IT? IT'S TRUE! TOTALLY!)

/stupid
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:49 PM
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30. lol, wife pulled this on me
I was growing out my hair a bit, and she had this pink bandana that she would wear to hold her hair back. Anyway she put it on me one day and I didn't mind (was in the house). But then she dared me to wear my hair like that with it to work, so I did :D.
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:53 PM
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32. sometimes nothing,
it can just be an excuse to not wear pink, not everyone looks good in it. In fact most people look horrible in it.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:56 PM
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33. What about the anti-pink views of the vast majority of other males?
Maybe it's not that the man thinks pink is a girly color. Maybe he knows that a whole lot of other guys think it is, so he avoids wearing it because he doesn't want to be judged on what he wears.


For the record, I don't wear pink :evilgrin:
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:05 PM
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36. As a group what does it mean when we object to Pink.
As you say. Collectively we men in the USA have an aversion to wearing Pink. What does that say about us?
1) We are afraid to violate the accepted norms of the "Male collective"?
2) We loathe to give any hint of Homosexuality or Femininity?
3) Other?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:09 PM
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37. Me, personally, I just don't like pastel-ish colors of any sort...
I like earth tones and dark colors. Just my personal preference.

As for your larger question, I think a lot of it is certainly about the desire to fit into the male archetype.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:00 PM
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35. I'm wearing pink today.
And a rainbow flag too.

Anyone got a problem with that?

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:18 PM
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38. Well I dunno, I don't wear pink unless it's the 80's
Pink on men is soooooo out
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:48 PM
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41. actually pink has been back recently, but I last wore it in the '80s
and have no desire to re-visit the 80s.
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jrandom421 Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:48 PM
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40. Don't wear pink for a very good reason
Makes my complexion look ghashly, like death 3 weeks old warmed over.
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