John Lennon called /Let It Be/ "the shittiest pile of shit".

[LoZoccolo]

McCartney was deeply dissatisfied with Spector's treatment of some songs, particularly "The Long and Winding Road". McCartney had conceived of the song as a simple piano ballad, but Spector dubbed in orchestral and choir accompaniment. McCartney unsuccessfully attempted to halt release of Spector's version of the song. His bitterness over this was a contributing factor to his public announcement that he was leaving The Beatles shortly thereafter. Despite the criticisms leveled at Spector over the years for his handling of the material, Lennon defended him in his famous Playboy magazine interview ten years later, saying "He took the shittiest pile of shit and made something of it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Be_%28album%29#The_released_album

Those are John Lennon's words, not from the scores of critics who claim that Oasis is better (along with the surveyed listeners who named Definately Maybe as the best rock album ever). The most dyed-in-the-wool Beatlist propagandists cannot deny that having it be the shittiest piece of shit would make it worse than all Oasis albums.

Score one for Oasis.

[Mad_Dem_X]

1. Never

Oasis is nothing but a Beatle-wannabe group. I would rather listen to the "shittiest" Beatles album than the "greatest" Oasis album.

No one can touch The Beatles. No one should even try! :7

[Bryan]

2. Hunh? What just happened?

Setting aside for a moment the inherent subjectivity of creative endeavor, how does John Lennon's low opinion of Let It Be somehow prove definitively that it isn't as good as Definitely Maybe?

It's not as if John was some infallible deity and Beatles fans are incapable of coming to individual conclusions about their work.

[LoZoccolo]

5. John Lennon serves as a "hostile witness" against Beatlist propagandists. n/t

[Bryan]

9. "Hostile witness"? Again, what?

By your choice of metaphor, you seem to be under the misapprehension that there's a question of fact to be settled here. It hardly matters if you can drag out quotes from Lennon in which he trashes all of the Beatles' albums; people who find them better than the efforts of Oasis are unlikely to be dissuaded.

[LoZoccolo]

15. I am engaged in battle daily with Beatles propagandists...

...and rock establishment traditionalists. If it were not a battle which it was important to fight, the reader survey that indicated that Definately Maybe was more popular than all of the Beatles albums would not have even been undertaken, much less published. Obviously, I am not the only one who feels that there is truth to be told.

This is why there is a point system, and currently Oasis shows more points than the Beatles.

I would agree that there is not a question of fact to be settled here, as it was been objectively proven that Oasis was more popular than the Beatles in the 90s, as Terence Trent D'Arby was more popular than the Beatles in the 80s.

[FredScuttle]

17. Give it 5 years

Coldplay's A Rush Of Blood To The Head will be voted the greatest album ever. Sandwiched between OK Computer and Kid A

Popular opinion polls of music fans will reveal the contemporary taste of the fans....every time.

The true mark of a band's legacy is this....in 40 years, will anyone give a shit about Oasis' shitty drummer? Or that tosser who plays guitar? Or, even more, the supreme wanker who "sings"?

[driver8]

51. Ha Ha -- I couldn't have said it better myself. "The supreme

wanker who sings." A perfect description of Liam...what a fucking dipshit.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

25. "Beatlist propagandists"

:rofl:

[Throd]

3. "The Ruddles" were better than Oasis

[Robb]

12. Indeed

...Although the Rutles were brilliant. :D

[atomic-fly]

4. and these guys

[FredScuttle]

6. "scores of critics who claim Oasis is better"

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[Shakespeare]

16. That was pretty much my reaction, too. n/t

[WritingIsMyReligion]

23. Yeah, I was rolling laughing too.

:rofl:

[Oeditpus Rex]

7. I tried to watch Oasis cover Slade last night

I was unsuccessful. :puke:

[JVS]

8. sounds shitty

[chrisau214]

10. John Lennon Never Got to Hear Oasis

His opinion of the shittiness of shitty shit is not relevant to anything released after Dec. 8, 1980.




Chris

[elocs]

11. I am a Beatles fan and I have never heard Oasis.

As far as I know, I am still alive.

[ScreamingMeemie]

26. Thank you. I have always meant to post this. I can't name one

Oasis song... and I'm not the big of a Beatles fan and I can at least name a dozen or so of their hits. :hi:

[American Jesus]

50. No, actually he has heard it.

I played their first album for John. He hated it. I also played him "Let It Be Naked" when it was released, and he doesn't have any use for the Spector mixes anymore.

[TheBaldyMan]

54. IIRC JL died in 1980, years before Oasis formed.

anyway Blur blasts Oasis into dust.

[2bfree]

13. Whose Oasis?

Never heard of them, but I can sing all the words to Let It Be. :)

[LoZoccolo]

14. Our Oasis. Our music. Our generation.

Score another one for Oasis.

[FredScuttle]

18. "our generation"?

I didn't know a generation lasted 3 albums and 4 years.

By that measure, the Bay City Rollers were the demigods of their generation, having sold 20 million more records in the same amount of time.

[Lethe]

19. hah!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oasis sucks. Maybe Radiohead will let them clean the bathroom at their studio.

[LoZoccolo]

20. The survey which put /Definately Maybe/ on top at number one...

...was conducted just this summer, over ten years after the album was released. The album has never not been the album of our generation.

[FredScuttle]

21. Whose generation?

Maybe in the UK that album is the top of the pops....but in the USA, it can't hold a candle to any of the following:

Speakerboxx/The Love Below
American Idiot
College Dropout
The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
The Rising
Love and Theft
White Blood Cells
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
Elephant
Want One
SMiLE (the reissue)
Guero
Late Registration

Like I said...give it 5 years....Definitely Maybe will rank below The Spice Girls

[Susang]

34. Whose survey?

The international Oasis fan club reader survey? :rofl:

Any survey where Oasis comes out as more popular than Radiohead, The White Stripes or Nirvana is highly suspect, no? ;-)

[LoZoccolo]

35. /New Music Express/

http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/4766.html

They have two albums in the top five, as a matter of fact.

[Susang]

36. Now there's a reliable source

I'm sure they used the latest in scientific polling methods. I know I always trust web polls where you can just clear the cookies from your computer and vote again and again and again and again...... :eyes:

Seriously, when are you going to end this shit? We all know you just like stirring up shit in the Lounge, can't you come up with another irritating subject to annoy us all with.

[LoZoccolo]

37. Obviously this topic is relevant enough for some.

Whoever the secret Rove is in service of the rock establishment traditionalists, or the baby boomer generation (who were hippies and then sold out and voted for Reagan) must be in meltdown mode.

[Susang]

38. Can you send me some of whatever it is you're smoking?

Sounds like it's really good. :freak:

[LanternWaste]

48. You've uncovered my secret plan

My jig is up. I'm the Rovian architect of the Old Rock Establishment. You've uncovered my secret plan to keep The Beatles as the number rock group of all time so that I can... wait a minute, who's Oasis, again? Is Oasis the blue muppet that plays the saxaphone?


Sheesh

[WritingIsMyReligion]

24. Listen, I'm younger than you are, I assume.

I do not know any young person who gives a flying fuck about Oasis, unless it is to mock it. I know plenty of cats who love the Beatles.

The best have staying power. Ten years from now, will people still love the Beatles? Absolutely. Will they give two shits about Oasis?

[WritingIsMyReligion]

22. What the fuck is all this Oasis shit?

Better than the Beatles? I highly doubt it. That's like saying that Steely Dan is better than Miles Davis. Total non sequitor.

[LoZoccolo]

27. Steely Dan was more popular than Miles Davis in the 70s. n/t

[Susang]

32. Search the archives

This Oasis shit is LoZoccolo's schtick. He's been doing it forever. Most of us wish he'd give it a rest as it's become really old and tired, kinda like Oasis. ;-)

[ProfessorGAC]

39. Old & Tired Is Correct

The Beatles are sine qua non. Without them, there is no Oasis upon which to base an argument. Any debate must begin at that point.

Sales numbers are an irrelvancy. As are Lo Zoc's intentions.
The Professor

[LoZoccolo]

40. I have adressed the sine qua non issue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2851046

[Burma Jones]

28. This is what happens when the White Sox don't make the series

We hear about some band named after a brand of water cooler.

If one were to try to judge the "greatness" of a Pop band, I would include the number of covers in the analysis, you know, how much other artists and music business types thought your music could be further marketed. Of course, the whole thing is nonsense. Rock Critics are frustrated losers that seek attention, and comped tickets, through silly statements.

I saw the water cooler band on the teevee, no big deal. Maybe we could discuss how they started a genre, like Punk or Grunge, or not. Maybe they were a seminal band, or just a waste of semen.

Oh wait, this is the popular band that heralded the decline and near death of British influence in American Music, that's who they are.....

and to which "generation" is Zoccolo referring? 30 somethings?

Do you really crave validation that badly?

You are funny........I'll give you that........you got me.

[redqueen]

29. Man, you are so cute.

This never gets old. :7

[patcox2]

30. They prove nothing except Lennon was insecure and jealous.

Lennon is the most overblown hallmark-card level so-called intellectual who ever lived. He was just an angry drunk and then an angry junkie who was insanely jealous of Paul McCartney's musical genius.

Despite there respective personal foibles, of course, the Beatles were the greatest rock band ever, period.

Oasis is derivative trash, by the way, that is already forgotten by all but a handful.

[LanternWaste]

31. Well, damn. I agree with you.

Well, damn. I agree with you. While I don't dislike the solo Lennon stuff, I absolutely do like the Wings/solo McCartney stuff to the nth degree (Ram, Band on the Run & Pipes of Peace to be specific)

I suppose every fifteen years or so, another band will come out and get accolades and comparisons to The Beatles. In '83 or so, Duran-Duran got the same treatment and, well... time seems to have judged them fairly, too.

[mdmc]

33. lennon never heard oasis

but :kick:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

41. Let it Be Naked

[Nickster]

45. Yup, I got that one. Sounds great. n/t

[Okiojira]

42. I'll do this flamebait subject one better...

...by declaring as sincerely and breathlessly as I can, my eyes becoming misty with wonderful sentiments, that not only is Oasis superior to the Beatles in every conceivable way, but that they are responsible for the greatest music ever on the face of this planet! Better than Miles & 'Trane! Way better than that simpleton Mozart or that hack Beethoven!!

No wait, that's not glowing enough; let me try again...

Oasis is without a doubt the source of not simply the greatest music ever, but the greatest sound of any kind ever in the whole history of space and time!!!!

Yes, Oasis is in fact...(drum roll, please).....bigger than Jesus!!!!

I'm going to go make myself another mudslide so I can continue posting these frightfully witty bon mots....:)

[patcox2]

43. Is this Oasis Schtick a take-off on the old SNL skit?

Wasn't it an old Saturday Night Live skit, an obviously insane british member of parliament keeps rising to propose a bill declaring Oasis the greatest band ever in the history of the universe, which would then result in a huge screaming argument breaking out?

Is that what all this is?

[LoZoccolo]

44. I have never seen that skit.

Liam and Noel Gallagher have themselves declared Oasis the greatest or most important band on occasion.

You can see several of their remarks in the VH1 Behind The Music profile of them; someone put it on YouTube and I posted a link to it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=5775895&mesg_id=5775895

[patcox2]

47. Then it must be some kind of Andy Kaufman-esque performance?

Right? Tell me you are kidding, please? That was the beauty of Andy Kaufman, he never let on he was kidding, it was like post-modernist, deconstructed humor.

[LoZoccolo]

49. Why would you think it is an Andy Kaufman performance...

...to share an opinion with thousands of rock fans who established Definitely Maybe as the best album of all time in a survey taken just this year (in other words, not when the album happened to be just released and on everyone's mind due to heavy rotation):

http://www.nme.com/news/oasis/23227

[driver8]

53. That was Will Farrell, wasn't it?

"I would just like to say that Oasis is the greatest band in the world!"

That was a great sketch.

[Hissyspit]

46. There were no Oasis albums when Lennon said that.

Logic, please.

[driver8]

52. No offense, but your screen name should be "Loco Zoccolo"...

Oasis is one guy who writes decent songs and plays guitar, one spoiled brat who cannot sing for shit, and a few other guys doing everything else.

John, Paul, and George were all amazing songwriters -- hell, even Ringo contributed a song once in awhile. The Beatles music is timeless -- it is still enjoyed today 36 years after the band broke up. They wrote so many amazing songs and put out so many great albums...when Oasis puts out 1/10th of what the Beatles produced, we can start making comparisons.

As professor GAC said, "Without the Beatles, there is no Oasis."