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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:10 PM
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75-year old lady trick-or-treating?
She could barely make it up my porch. Is that pushing it or what? I thought I was going to have a law suit on my hands if she fell of my porch. This is just plain stupid. Halloween is for kids. Period.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:11 PM
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1. That's truly bizarre.
Redstone
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:50 PM
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9. not really
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:12 PM
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2. You should have said, "Great costume! How long did the makeup take?"
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:12 PM
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3. Did she look hungry?
Maybe that was her meal for the day? :shrug:

Hey, in the Bush economy, anything is possible. :grr:
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:13 PM
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4. OK, you're kidding, right?
:shrug: maybe she was with her grandkid....or great-grandkid?? :D
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:35 PM
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5. Did you do the Republican thing and sell her a tin of cat food?
Vote Democratic and grandmas won't have to trick or treat for dinner.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:51 PM
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11. not really
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:38 PM
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6. Crap. That is terrible. Are you sure it was an older woman?
Hard to believe.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:42 PM
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7. That's sad
Maybe she couldn't afford to buy candy so she was getting it from you to hand out to kids?

I would have given her handfuls.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:51 PM
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12. not really
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:48 PM
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:50 PM
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10. not really
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:51 PM
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13. Was she in costume?
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:56 PM
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14. Samhain - Celtic
Samhain marks one of the two great doorways of the Celtic year, for the Celts divided the year into two seasons: the light and the dark, at Beltane on May 1st and Samhain on November 1st. Some believe that Samhain was the more important festival, marking the beginning of a whole new cycle, just as the Celtic day began at night. For it was understood that in dark silence comes whisperings of new beginnings, the stirring of the seed below the ground. Whereas Beltane welcomes in the summer with joyous celebrations at dawn, the most magically potent time of this festival is November Eve, the night of October 31st, known today of course, as Halloween.

Samhain (Scots Gaelic: Samhuinn) literally means “summer's end.” In Scotland and Ireland, Halloween is known as Oíche Shamhna, while in Wales it is Nos Calan Gaeaf, the eve of the winter's calend, or first. With the rise of Christianity, Samhain was changed to Hallowmas, or All Saints' Day, to commemorate the souls of the blessed dead who had been canonized that year, so the night before became popularly known as Halloween, All Hallows Eve, or Hollantide. November 2nd became All Souls Day, when prayers were to be offered to the souls of all who the departed and those who were waiting in Purgatory for entry into Heaven. Throughout the centuries, pagan and Christian beliefs intertwine in a gallimaufry of celebrations from Oct 31st through November 5th, all of which appear both to challenge the ascendancy of the dark and to revel in its mystery.

In the country year, Samhain marked the first day of winter, when the herders led the cattle and sheep down from their summer hillside pastures to the shelter of stable and byre. The hay that would feed them during the winter must be stored in sturdy thatched ricks, tied down securely against storms. Those destined for the table were slaughtered, after being ritually devoted to the gods in pagan times. All the harvest must be gathered in -- barley, oats, wheat, turnips, and apples -- for come November, the faeries would blast every growing plant with their breath, blighting any nuts and berries remaining on the hedgerows. Peat and wood for winter fires were stacked high by the hearth. It was a joyous time of family reunion, when all members of the household worked together baking, salting meat, and making preserves for the winter feasts to come. The endless horizons of summer gave way to a warm, dim and often smoky room; the symphony of summer sounds was replaced by a counterpoint of voices, young and old, human and animal.

In early Ireland, people gathered at the ritual centers of the tribes, for Samhain was the principal calendar feast of the year. The greatest assembly was the 'Feast of Tara,' focusing on the royal seat of the High King as the heart of the sacred land, the point of conception for the new year. In every household throughout the country, hearth-fires were extinguished. All waited for the Druids to light the new fire of the year -- not at Tara, but at Tlachtga, a hill twelve miles to the north-west. It marked the burial-place of Tlachtga, daughter of the great druid Mogh Ruith, who may once have been a goddess in her own right in a former age.

At at all the turning points of the Celtic year, the gods drew near to Earth at Samhain, so many sacrifices and gifts were offered up in thanksgiving for the harvest. Personal prayers in the form of objects symbolizing the wishes of supplicants or ailments to be healed were cast into the fire, and at the end of the ceremonies, brands were lit from the great fire of Tara to re-kindle all the home fires of the tribe, as at Beltane. As they received the flame that marked this time of beginnings, people surely felt a sense of the kindling of new dreams, projects and hopes for the year to come.

The Samhain fires continued to blaze down the centuries. In the 1860s the Halloween bonfires were still so popular in Scotland that one traveler reported seeing thirty fires lighting up the hillsides all on one night, each surrounded by rings of dancing figures, a practice which continued up to the first World War. Young people and servants lit brands from the fire and ran around the fields and hedges of house and farm, while community leaders surrounded parish boundaries with a magic circle of light. Afterwards, ashes from the fires were sprinkled over the fields to protect them during the winter months -- and of course, they also improved the soil. The bonfire provided an island of light within the oncoming tide of winter darkness, keeping away cold, discomfort, and evil spirits long before electricity illumined our nights. When the last flame sank down, it was time to run as fast as you could for home, raising the cry, “The black sow without a tail take the hindmost!”

Even today, bonfires light up the skies in many parts of the British Isles and Ireland at this season, although in many areas of Britain their significance has been co-opted by Guy Fawkes Day, which falls on November 5th, and commemorates an unsuccessful attempt to blow up the English Houses of Parliament in the 17th century. In one Devonshire village, the extraordinary sight of both men and women running through the streets with blazing tar barrels on their backs can still be seen! Whatever the reason, there will probably always be a human need to make fires against the winter’s dark.


... Divination at Halloween



Samhain was a significant time for divination, perhaps even more so than May or Midsummer’s Eve, because this was the chief of the three Spirit Nights. Divination customs and games frequently featured apples and nuts from the recent harvest, and candles played an important part in adding atmosphere to the mysteries. In Scotland, a child born at Samhain was said to be gifted with an dà shealladh, “The Two Sights” commonly known as “second sight,” or clairvoyance.

Apple Magic
At the heart of the Celtic Otherworld grows an apple tree whose fruit has magical properties. Old sagas tell of heroes crossing the western sea to find this wondrous country, known in Ireland as Emhain Abhlach, (Evan Avlach) and in Britain, Avalon. At Samhain, the apple harvest is in, and old hearthside games, such as apple-bobbing, called apple-dookin’ in Scotland, reflect the journey across water to obtain the magic apple.

Dookin' for Apples
Place a large tub, preferably wooden, on the floor, and half fill it with water. Tumble in plenty of apples, and have one person stir them around vigorously with a long wooden spoon or rod of hazel, ash or any other sacred tree.

Each player takes their turn kneeling on the floor, trying to capture the apples with their teeth as they go bobbing around. Each gets three tries before the next person has a go. Best to wear old clothes for this one, and have a roaring fire nearby so you can dry off while eating your prize!
If you do manage to capture an apple, you might want to keep it for a divination ritual, such as this one:

The Apple and the Mirror
Before the stroke of midnight, sit in front of a mirror in a room lit only by one candle or the moon. Go into the silence, and ask a question. Cut the apple into nine pieces. With your back to the mirror, eat eight of the pieces, then throw the ninth over your left shoulder. Turn your head to look over the same shoulder, and you will see and in image or symbol in the mirror that will tell you your answer.

(When you look in the mirror, let your focus go "soft," and allow the patterns made by the moon or candlelight and shadows to suggest forms, symbols and other dreamlike images that speak to your intuition.)

Dreaming Stones
Go to a boundary stream and with closed eyes, take from the water three stones between middle finger and thumb, saying these words as each is gathered:

I will lift the stone
As Mary lifted it for her Son,
For substance, virtue, and strength;
May this stone be in my hand
Till I reach my journey’s end.

(Scots Gaelic)
Togaidh mise chlach,
Mar a thog Moire da Mac,
Air bhrìgh, air bhuaidh, ‘s air neart;
Gun robh a chlachsa am dhòrn,
Gus an ruig mi mo cheann uidhe.

Carry them home carefully and place them under your pillow. That night, ask for a dream that will give you guidance or a solution to a problem, and the stones will bring it for you.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:02 PM
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22. Sure. But what does it have to do with candy?
:eyes:
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marzipanni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:30 AM
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15. If it was Halloween 2005, it might've been my 11-yr.-old son
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 12:10 PM
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16. I had an older woman come to the door last night...
she had to be in her 60s -- no kid attached, just her in a kinda Earth Kitt as Catwoman mask. I got a kick out of it -- I gave her extra candy and we had a fun laugh about my decorations. :shrug: I always offer candy to the parents of the kids who come by and they almost always get a big kick out of it and take some for themselves. I think the kid in them remembers what fun Halloween was for them and are kinda sad that they've had to let it go.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 12:57 PM
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17. I had a pair of older teens come by Land Rover
No kidding - they drove up to a house, parked, got out, trick or treated, got back in their Land Rover, drove to the next house and repeated the process. I was so annoyed. I planned not to give them anything, but they got to my place along with a large mob of kids and my daughter who loves to help give out the candy gave them treats. Aaargh.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:07 PM
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18. sounds like fun
maybe will go next year!


as far as I know , there is no rule against old people having fun
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:08 PM
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19. Well, if she didn't get any treats, did she at least get any tricks?
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:11 PM
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20.  I wonder if she was "losing it"?
dementia can do weird things to the human mind
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:29 PM
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21. My mother used to dress the dachshund up & go to the neighbors
They were both dressed as witches -- this was 35 years before the whole "costumes for dogs" thing started getting hot.

The neighbors got a kick out of it. Plus she would go with us kids - didn't just go on her own.

But you didn't know this woman, right?
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