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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:10 PM
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Are adverbs dead?
Do people not use adverbs anymore?

Heard on a commercial yesterday: "You can cook the food quicker."

Heard on a newsmagazine show yesterday: "It helps people look closer."

Heard on ABC news moments ago: "Delta won't go down easy."


I expect people who write ad copy and news stories to know and use adverbs! What's going on here?
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:12 PM
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1. One of my pet peeves!!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:12 PM
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2. It drives me absoluteLY nuts!
Yes, I've noticed it a lot and it makes me crazy. My 9 year old son speaks better than a lot of adults I know.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:13 PM
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3. It's a trend.
It's a fad.

It'll pass. (I hope)
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:48 PM
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26. it's big pharma... no herbs or verbs allowed.
If it doesn't get a few guys big yachts, it's unconscituatinalyallity.
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:13 PM
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4. Absolutely. Totally. Completely. n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:14 PM
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5. Very, too. nt
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:17 PM
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6. Maybe Lolly closed up shop.
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 07:19 PM by Lautremont


(Mmm...Mmm...Mmm)
Ready Pop? Yup.
Ready son? Uh-huh.
Let's go!
Let's go!
One! Two!...

Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, get your adverbs here.
Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, got some adverbs here.
Come on down to Lolly's, get the
adverbs here
You're going to need
If you write or read,
Or even think about it.

Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, get you're adverbs here.
Got a lot of lolly, jolly adverbs here.
Anything you need and we can make it absolutely clear...

An adverb is a word
(That's all it is! And there's a lot of them)
That modifies a verb,
(Sometimes a verb and sometimes)
It modifies an adjective, or else another adverb
And so you see that it's positively, very, very necessary.

Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, get your adverbs here.
Father, son, and Lolly selling adverbs here.
Got a lot of adverbs, and we make it clear,
So come to Lolly! (Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)

Hello folks, this is Lolly, Sr., saying we have every adverb in the
book, so come on down and look.

Hello folks, Lolly, Jr., here. Suppose your house needs painting -
how are you going to paint it? That's where the adverb comes
in. We can also give you a special intensifier so you can paint it
very neatly or rather sloppily.

Hi! Suppose you're go8ing nut gathering; your buddy wants to
know where and when. Use an adverb and tell him!

Get your adverbs!

Use it with an adjective, it says much more,
Anything described can be described some more.
Anything you'd ever need is in the store,
And so you choose very carefully every word you use.

Use it with a verb, it tells us how you did,
Where it happened, where you're going, where you've been.
Use it with another adverb - that's the end,
And even more...

How, where, or when,
Condition or reason,
These questions are answered
When you use an adverb.

Come and get it!

Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, get your adverbs here.
Quickly, quickly, quickly, get those adverbs here.
Slowly, surely, really learn your adverbs here.
You're going to need 'em if you read 'em,
If you write or talk or think about 'em...Lolly! (Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)

Announcer: If it's an adverb, we have it at Lolly's. Bring along your old adjectives,
too - like slow, soft, and sure. We'll fit 'em out with our L - Y
attachment and make perfectly good adverbs out of them!

(Get your adverbs here!)

Lots of good tricks at Lolly's so come on down.

(Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)

Adverbs deal with manner, place, time,
(Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)
Condition, reason,
(Father, son, and Lolly)
Comparison, contrast
(Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)
Enrich your language with adverbs!
(Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)
Besides they're absolutely free!
(Lolly, Lolly, Lolly)
At your service.

Indubitably.

Edited to add: this is taken straight from the Schoolhouse Rocks website, but check out the bad grammar! Specifically the first chorus: "Get you're adverbs here!" My gosh. If we can't trust Schoolhouse Rocks for grammar, what has the world come to?
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Proud MD Liberal Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:03 PM
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20. Just another example of the big guy
Pushing the little guy out. See what happens when the big box store arrives in town. :-)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:29 PM
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7. Not dead but dying. Fast. :)
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:48 PM
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8. they are considered bad writing
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 08:50 PM by pitohui
one of the prime directives of the 20th century: when proof-reading your prose remove all of the adverbs, i got this advice when writing for a magazine in the 1980s and it went back much earlier, clean prose simply doesn't contain adverbs, they are almost always filler

supposedly mark twain first suggested it, although this may be apocryphal -- i suspect the idea really goes back to publications that paid by the word

there are all the adverbs you could ever want used in "infinite jest" by david foster wallace but, for the most part, the adverb has very little place in modern communication, it's just additional noise

on edit -- go back and remove all the "y" and "ly" words from my post, do you really lose any of the information?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:55 PM
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13. I think you have an excellent point here...but...
Instead of removing the adverbs from our OP's examples, folks are substituting words that are not grammatical at all...

That substitution is flat-out wrong and ugly to boot...

IMHO, of course!
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:59 PM
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14. Why are misused adjectives clean but adverbs are not?
I can see an argument against qualifiers (I wouldn't agree with it, but I can understand the argument), but not an argument against adverbs that leaves adjectives alone.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:53 PM
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27. adjectives are bad too EOM
.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:05 AM
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38. You just used one.
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:24 PM
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15. I removed the words ending in "y" and a couple of other adverbs from your post.

"one of the prime directives of the 20th century: when proof-reading your prose remove all of the adverbs, i got this advice when writing for a magazine in the 1980s and it went back much earlier, clean prose doesn't contain adverbs, filler

mark twain first suggested it, although this be apocryphal -- i suspect the idea goes back to publications that paid the word

there are all the adverbs you could ever want used in "infinite jest" david foster wallace but, for the most part, the adverb has little place in modern communication, it's just additional noise

on edit -- go back and remove all the "y" and "ly" words from post, do you lose of the information?"


It's different.

:shrug:



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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:59 PM
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19. I was wondering why my editor wanted me to eliminate my adverbs...
Adjectives are fine, but adverbs apparently suck.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:40 PM
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30. I think you mean "adverbs are apparently suckly".
:rofl:
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:45 PM
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31. You are indeedly, doodley correct. I myself am an extreme, friend guy.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:52 PM
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9. Not for me.
And I teach my kid to use them, too.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:54 PM
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28. do you publish a national magazine? EOM
.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:37 AM
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33. Sorry...I can't help you there.
:beer:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:53 PM
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10. Some folks real need get a life. Nobody take adverb serious.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:30 PM
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17. ly
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:53 PM
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11. Apparently


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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:55 PM
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12. I use them extremly regularly....
and I write, professionally. Though not ad copy, thank the gods.

;)
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:25 PM
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16. Apparently so.
Redstone
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:35 PM
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18. Apparently.
:rofl:

Seriously, though, poor grammar like that drives me crazy. I used to copy-edit, and now it's a function that I can't turn off in my brain. Never-ending grammar check. :eyes:
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VeggieTart Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:17 PM
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21. I am a grammar snob
And stop using "real" as an adverb! It's REALLY annoying.

Lynne Truss, please pick up the white courtesy phone. You're needed here.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:31 PM
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23. LOL
:rofl: Sorry mom, I won't do it again!!
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:30 PM
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22. Evidently.
Ad-wise, I'd point to the crucial cutting involved, in cramming their messages into the short time of a commercial...I swear, a good % of the time they'd rather conserve syllables and punch up speech cadence than to write accurately or correctly (and let's not even dream of *beautifully, poetically, or artistically*.) Sadly, they measure time in micro-seconds, and brevity and punch trumps the rest in most cases, depending on the product of course. Cmmercials will continue to provide some wondrous and wonderful examples of art-meets-commerce, but in many more cases are badly done.

Still, it is healthy for us to distinguish the difference...it has ever been so.

:shrug:ing good-naturedly,
Drum
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:08 AM
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39. I wrote and voiced commercials for years when I was in radio.
The idea of replacing adverbs with adjectives for time reasons never came up, and I had to cut a lot of copy over the years.

The commercial I referenced in the OP was a 30-minute infomercial. If they had time to wax orgasmic over the taste of the food, I'm sure they had time to say "more quickly."
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:15 AM
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40. Then I'm stumped.
Perhaps dumbing-down our national language (or "shooting for the middle," "lowest common denominator") is the real reason.
:shrug:
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:46 PM
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24. Evidently people rarely use them
currently, but perhaps one day we will again use them liberally and abundantly. Frankly, I think the use of adverbs is the difference between beautiful prose and simply technical writing.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:48 PM
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25. I think gerunds are more endangered.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:31 PM
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29. Try going to a macrobiotic lecture. They all talk like Michio.
"Michio drink twig tea." "Michio approve." "Eat dairy, grow tumor, uh?" "Pressure cook give strength." "Erect altar to Michio, yes?"

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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:50 AM
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34. Who or what the hell is Michio?
I've heard of miso.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 08:56 AM
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36. Michio Kushi, the Big Daddy of the Macrobiotic Community
He hears all, sees all, cures all.

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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:03 PM
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43. Once again,
I'm just not hip to what the cool kids are into these days.
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Hubert H. Hubert Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:50 PM
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32. Hardly. n/t
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:51 AM
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35. Verily n/t
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 09:13 AM
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37. "kills pain fast"
"drive safe"

How did anyone ever pass high school English?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:18 AM
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41. Let's head out to Lolly's to stock up.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:07 PM
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44. Gotcher' adverbs right here:
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:15 AM
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42. They died quickly, mysteriously, and courageously.
The fought bravely.

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