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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:54 PM
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What actor didn’t deserve the Oscar?
Robert Donat for Goodbye, Mr. Chips

Clark Gable should have won it for Gone with the wind.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:56 PM
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1. Julia Roberts (Erin Brockovich) over Ellen Burstyn (Requiem For A Dream)
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:53 AM
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51. Yep
Julia Roberts cannot f'ing ACT.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:32 AM
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52. Thank you!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:39 AM
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58. Ellen Burstyn absolutely rocked in Requiem
From a doting grandmother who was willing to allow her herion-addicted son (Jared Leto) take advantage of her to a woman addicted to prescription diet pills and a really bizarro TV show she swore she was going to be a contestant.

I recommend this film to everyone; although if your a tad bit weak stomach it might be some rough viewing. The cast was amazing and another actor overlooked in the movie was Jennifer Connelly, who was Jared Leto's girlfriend in the movie and a girl that will do anything to get her next high including some very disturbing things. But I think another overlooked roll was Marlon Wayans, who was Leto's character best friend. I usually think of Wayans as something comedy yuck fest movie, but he was amazing in the movie.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:00 PM
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68. Wayans impressed the hell out of me in Requiem.
Amazing what kind of talent you'll see in people you might normally write off as hacks.

Damn fine piece of filmmaking all around though. Brutal to watch, but so damn good.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:38 PM
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73. Agreed n/t
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:57 PM
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2. Red Buttons for Sayonara
He got an Oscar, but he never got a dinner!
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:39 AM
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3. Tom Hanks. Always. n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:17 AM
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4. He's deserved more than he's won. nt
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:25 AM
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31. Great scripts, great directors. The acting could have been done
by dozens of others to the same or better effect. He's been handed a lot of roles that basically couldn't miss. He appeals to the everyman and that equals $$$, so he gets cast.

Tom Hanks is overrated. He's talented...but he's not fantastic. :shrug: Not Hollywood legend material, anyway.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:34 AM
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32. Don't agree.
He's got a wide range and subtle skill. He is a legend. And there is no such thing as a can't-miss role. Great actors make a role seem that way. Lesser actors ruin many great roles.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:52 AM
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35. Well, I'll agree to disagree. He doesn't move me. n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:03 AM
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36. It's not about "moving." It's about a technical skill and a talent.
He "moves" many people, but that's not the point. He creates seamless characters with seemingly natural emotional responses, and adds dimensions to a script through his ability to inflect his lines and scenes with nuances lesser actors wouldn't notice. As opposed to someone like, say, Keanu Reeves, who at best portrays a script at face value. Whether he moves you or not isn't the ultimate measure of whether he is a good actor. Like a doctor who might have an annoying personality but knows his job. Hanks is a great actor, and, judging by his sales, he "moves" a lot of people, as well as demonstrating a genuine technical expertise, as proven by the number of awards he's earned from other experts in his craft.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:13 AM
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39. I disagree completely.
I think he's one-size-fits-all. I'm not saying he has no technique. But acting is an art form as well as a craft and all he has is the craft. You can paint by numbers and still make something pretty, but that doesn't mean you're a Van Gogh. I'm not comparing him to the likes of Keanu. I'm comparing him to the likes of De Niro or Streep and IMHO he doesn't come close. I'd put him in the same category as George Clooney or Michael Douglas, for instance. Entertaining but not genius or particularly noteworthy. Yes, he's very popular, but so is McDonald's.

But I'm picky about actors, and at any rate it's only a matter of taste and opinion.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:29 AM
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41. Well, his peers disagree with you
His Academy nominations and wins, his critical acclaim, and his sales indicate that a lot of professional actors and critics, as well as the public, see him differently.

Comparing him to DeNiro or Streep is like comparing a great guitarist to a great singer. Completely different styles, completely different roles to fill. Van Gogh did not paint likenesses nearly as beautifully as Rembrandt. Does that make Van Gogh worse than Rembrandt. Hanks is a different type of actor, with a different type of role to fill. DeNiro is brilliant, no one would deny that. But name a role where he has captured and then manipulated the audience's emotions the way Hanks does. They are completely different animals. DeNiro can't connect the way Hanks can, or, probably more accurately, doesn't try to. Hanks can't, or doesn't try to, craft an abstract the way DeNiro does. Watching DeNiro is like watching an artistic creation. Watching Hanks is like watching a genuine person. Both serve their roles, and one is not a lesser skill, talent, or art than the other.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:00 AM
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42. His peers are his peers. He makes a lot of money.
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 02:01 AM by amitten
Hanks is like his frequent co-star, Meg Ryan. They both always just play themselves. Neither one will be on anyone's mind fifty years from now.

PS--Are you secretly his Mom?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:48 PM
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81. Are you secretely someone he has beaten for a role?
What kind of bullshit comment was that? I'm not his mom (nor his dad), I'm a reasonably educated person who has put together a decent argument that you feel the need to insult rather than try to overcome.

Meg Ryan has no major awards, few major nominations, and zero mention ever at the Oscars. You are comparing apples to exhaust manifolds.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:48 PM
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89. Well, I guess that's why they kept getting cast together.
:shrug:

They're a good onscreen match because they have comparable levels of talent.

To tell you the truth, I don't really care about the talent or lack thereof of your beloved son.
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zappa_parappa Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:20 AM
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61. As an actor, I can't believe you could mention them in the same sentence
no comparison...Tom Hanks lacks variety and can only carry a movie that lets him be himself(with very few exceptions), meanwhile robert deniro has the ability to become a role...tom hanks is always tom hanks...his talent is in his ability to be himself, which isn't exactly good acting.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:40 PM
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77. Are you a very good one? I mean
You seem to be rejecting the opinions of a lot of your "peers." Hanks has won two Oscars, has been nominated for three more, has recieved great critical acclaim in many of his roles, has been a successful director and producer, as well. Not to mention he's the most financially successful actor of all times. So you're rejecting a lot of opinions, both learned and popular. That doesn't sound like the way to become a successful actor.

Paul Newman is always Paul Newman, Marlon Brando was always Marlin Brando. They are different types of actors than DeNiro. The type who completely alters his or her appearance, who completely transforms into a different person altogether, rarely makes a strong emotional connection. Even Johnny Depp, who has the ability to transform, stays himself for his most emotional roles (Finding Neverland, for instance). There is something very impressive yet often very one-dimensional about completely transforming your character. Sticking with Johnny Depp (and not to pick on him), when he becomes Jack Sparrow or Ed Wood, he has one level of performance. All of his energy is subsumed in becoming the other person, and the emotional impact of his character must come from the script or the director. The most emotionally charged performances are usually from actors who remain recognizable. There are a few exceptions to this (Meryl Streep being a consistent exception), but it's generally true.

And it's not true that Tom Hanks is always Tom Hanks. His roles in "Catch Me If You Can," and in "The Terminal," were total affectations. It's just not the type of role he is best at. He is better at nuanced emotional characters than at the caricatures that some people mistakenly call "real" acting.
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zappa_parappa Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:44 PM
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79. Even in the terminal he was still tom hanks...
just tom hanks with an accent. And if you consider the people who vote on the oscars my "peers" you're sorely mistaken. Those are mostly just politics and are a poor judge of whos good and who's not. Paul Newman and Marlon Brando(i don't think you can call his performance in apocolypse now brando being brando...compare that with his work in on the water front or last tango in paris) are usually straight men, but not always themselves...They can play different situations and have wide ranges of emotion and character...Tom Hanks is usually kept in roles that don't require range, and keep him in the standard every man persona he's developed.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:22 PM
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84. I think you've just got a bias against him
Brando in Apocolypse Now was just as much Brando as Hanks was Hanks in The Terminal. Brando had a rebel mystique that makes people think he's cool, but he was just a method actor, and method acting draws heavily on a person's own character, his own emotions and reactions. That's the whole definition of method acting, as much as there is a definition. Brando and Newman both created outward characters from their inner emotions, the same way Hanks does.

And I reject your argument that you can just reject the Oscars. Personally, I think that the winner is often just a political choice between the five nominees, and I'm sure some nominees slip in from time to time as flukes. One nominee, one win--I agree that doesn't prove much (but it proves something). But they don't wind up with five nominations and two wins. That's critical recognition, and to reject that is silly. He's also won four Golden Globes, and a slew of other awards and nominations, and not always for the same roles as he won Oscars for.

You may not like him, you may not appreciate his style of acting, but the critics and his peers disagree with you.

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zappa_parappa Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:28 PM
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85. You're wrong about method acting
Some of the best character actors are method actors...method acting is just a was to induce emotion, it in no way effects the way the character is portrayed. The method just allows you to reach whatever emotion you're trying to achieve in the realest way possible, by channeling emotions that already exist inside you...the true genius of a good method actor is to apply those emotions to the context of the character you're being. Most award ceremonies are flukes, the best actors are often the most under appreciated...same goes with music, i don't consider a band good because they won a grammy...shit...even milli vanilli won one...and to say his peers disagree with me, what peers are you talking about? show me some decent actors who appreciate the drivel tom hanks spews.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:33 AM
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45. Of course it's all subjective....................
but seriously, what in the hell are you smoking? It doesn't matter what role he takes on, he is one of the most believable actors out there. Man, this is one time where I just find your statements totally amazing, and not in a good way.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:20 AM
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90. I don't think he's believable. Forrest Gump was ridiculous.
And not in a good way.

So...I don't think Tom Hanks is a great actor. I also don't think Beyonce is a great singing talent, but plenty of people like her and she wins plenty of awards.

Because it is truly a matter of taste and opinion, I don't see what the big deal is. It's like getting pissed at me because you like the color orange and I don't. So what? :toast:

At any rate, it's not like Mr. Hanks is going to suffer just because I find him mediocre!
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:45 AM
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91. You're the one getting pissed.........
I just think you're wrong.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:35 PM
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98. I'm not pissed. I don't really even care. n/t
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:38 AM
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5. russell crowe.
gladiator?
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QMPMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:39 AM
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6. You beat me to it, Pat Cakes!
Russell Crowe didn't deserve an Oscar.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:35 AM
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46. He was absolutely wonderful in the role............
have watched it about 10 times and he gets better every time.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:33 AM
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53. Agreed n/t
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:56 AM
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9. Yep.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:53 AM
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13. Crowe really IS a terrible actor, but that performance was gold.
I know, I know, usually I'm the one who can't "see it," when a bad performer absolutely transcends his or her own ability like that, but...come on. His final monologue still has the power to force me to cry every time I masochistically watch that DVD. Which is why I ditched that DVD last year.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:39 AM
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49. He's a terrible actor?
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 02:53 AM by springhill
Have you seen his films? Master and Commander, A Beautiful Mind, Cinderalla Man, LA Confidential. Sheesh, I'm beginning to think I'm in some alternative universe. First Tom Hanks, and now Russell Crowe. Add to that The Insider. He's a hell of an actor.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:34 AM
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54. No, I agree with you
And know a lot of people who do. I think he's definitely one of the top actors of his generation. Personally, he's my favorite actor.
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zappa_parappa Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:55 AM
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65. wow, you're a supporter of bad actors all around
seriously...never watch movies again
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:48 AM
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92. I would venture to say.............
that your views on both of these fine actors are clearly in the minority.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:38 AM
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33. Wrong. I walked out of the theater after Gladiator saying he deserved the Oscar
But I didn't think the Academy would have the sophistication to give it to him. They tend to prefer overstated, over-emotional, mega-hyped roles to genuinely developed subtle characters. For once they got it right. Crow was brilliant.

Overall I think Crowe is charasmatic but not a great actor. He's turned in two performances that were very good, though. Master and Commander being the other one.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:35 AM
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55. I personally would also put "Cinderella Man" in there
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:34 PM
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87. I haven't seen it yet. I should have A Beautiful Mind in there, too, but
I forgot it. I didn't think it was brilliant, but it was very good. I thought the script was brilliant.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:44 PM
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78. I walked out of Gladiator saying...
Jesus God, what a horrible movie. Who would like crap like that.

But that's just my opinion.

"They tend to prefer overstated, over-emotional, mega-hyped roles to genuinely developed subtle characters. For once they got it right."

You mean the guy who spends an entire movie hacking people to bits in order to get revenge on the Emperor who killed his family is subtle?

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:31 PM
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86. LOL
No, the hacking wasn't the subtle part. The humility of his role the subtle part. The way he turned from Marcus Aurelius rather while speaking, the way his desire for revenge slowly overtook his anguish. He developed a character who was the perfect combination of servant and master, of humility and competence. Unlike almost every other military commander I can remember on film, he genuinely looked like someone who could inspire his troops without frightening his leaders.

The role was very subtle. As I said, I'm not surprised a lot of people didn't get it. I am impressed that the Academy rewarded it.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:41 AM
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7. Most of them.
Very, very few performances that get awards seem to be very good.
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:55 AM
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8. Gregory Peck for TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
Yeah, boo hiss. Peter O'Toole (Lawrence of Arabia) should've called the police, 'cause he got robbed.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:47 PM
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80. Yea for O'TOOLE!!
Thankfully they finally gave him a lifetime achievement award.

When he was named the recipient of a Special Oscar for lifetime achievement in 2003, he originally intended to turn it down feeling that the lifetime award signaled the end of his career. He wrote the Academy a letter stating that he was "still in the game" and would like more time to "win the lovely bugger outright." It was only after the Academy informed him that they were bestowing the award on him whether he came to collect it or not that he relented.

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:10 AM
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10. John Wayne for True Grit in 1969. It was more of a
lifetime achievement Oscar and had little to do with the movie. He was up against Richard Burton, Peter O'Toole and two who were definitely more deserving - Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight for Midnight Cowboy.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:08 AM
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11. Russell Crowe should have won for "A Beautiful Mind." I like Denzel Washington,
but Crowe's performance was absolutely amazing.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:56 AM
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14. Wow, talk about mileage and variance. I could not stand him in that.
I actually think Crowe, whose "acting" borders on comic in that film, was phoning it in from scene three or so.
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Bella Pisces Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:09 AM
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12. Helen Hunt, for "As Good As It Gets".
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:36 AM
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56. I forgot that one -- I think I'm trying to repress it
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:59 AM
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15. I'm...actually not a great fan of the Clooney win from this year.
Flame away.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:12 PM
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29. Could not agree with you more
Paul Giametti should have walked away with it from Cinderalla Man. He acted his butt off in that role (I've come to this conclusion after watching it about 46 times this summer on all the HBO channels - heck it was on this morning!).
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:22 AM
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16. Mary Pickford for Coquette in 1929
Bessie Love was robbed.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:01 AM
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17. Roberto what's-his-name for "Life is Beautiful"
Winning the Best Actor Oscar? Over Sir Ian McKellan for "Gods and Monsters"? Edward Norton for "American X"? Nick Nolte for "Affliction"? I don't fucking think so.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:37 AM
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57. Preaching to the choir... I was like, WTF???
I thought Norton totally deserved it.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:57 PM
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103. Same here.
Norton gave a remarkable performance in "American History X"
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:29 AM
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18. Al Pacino "Scent of a Woman"....
What a scene chewing piece of crap that performance was! There were plenty of films he SHOULD have won for, not that one though. Clearly it was a career Oscar.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:33 AM
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19. Oh, totally agree. There was this film Pacino was in called "The Godfather Part II"
for instance.

"Scent of a Woman" was one of those "You've given some great Oscar worthy performances...like Dog Day Afternoon...that you didn't win an Oscar, so we'll just make it up by giving you the Oscar for a ridiculously hammy over the top performance instead" wins.
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:23 PM
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26. Pacino and the Oscars
Al Pacino was in that group of actors who always had contempt for the Oscars and acted like it was an insult to even be considered, much less nominated and win. Now he has it written in his contracts that the studio must put his name in consideration for a nomination for any movie he does.

I think the classic non-deserving winner would be Elizaberth Taylor for "Butterfield 8". She was recovering from an illness that nearly killed her and as Debbie Reynolds said "Hell, even I voted for her". It also helped that it was her 4th nomination in a row.

Henry Fonda's widow Shirlee once said he always gave his Oscar ballot to their maid because she was the one who went to see all the movies.

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:37 AM
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20. I got to disagree on that one
I love that movie.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:39 AM
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21. oops I meant to post this not as a sub thread
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 09:39 AM by GoPsUx
my bad
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:40 AM
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22. Michael Caine Cider house Rules
I thought Michael Duncan Clark,(green mile) or Haley Joel Osmet (Sixth Sense)deserved it more
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:32 AM
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62. Caine has given great performances, but....
he was mediocre at best in Cider House Rules. His American accent was laughable. Yet another case of a good actor getting passed over for an Oscar many times before winning one for a lousy role/performance.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:46 AM
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23. Nicholas CAGE & other relatives except the original one n/t
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:54 AM
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24. Philip Seymour Hoffman in "Capote"
When I was a kid, I saw Capote on talk shows rather frequently and Hoffman's portrayal didn't even approach my recollection of his personality. All the crying he did didn't seem real to me either. I think Hoffman's a good actor but I think he failed in that role. Heath Ledger in "Brokeback Mountain" gave the best performance of all the nominees I saw that year.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:22 PM
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30. Agreed. Heath Ledger was robbed.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:15 AM
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40. Seconded. Heath Ledger made the whole movie work. Without him it would have
been a rather run-of-the-mill love story.
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:04 AM
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43. i cant stand him
for whatever reason. I think its because of the character he played in Punch Drunk Love. I just wanted Adam Sandler to beat the living shit out of him.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:18 AM
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97. That's why he is a great actor, imho
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:57 AM
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25. Kim Basinger in L.A. Confidential
She had like a five minute role in that movie. And it sucked.

Minnie Driver in Good Will Hunting was so much better.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:32 PM
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27. A few of my "Oh please"
Jose Ferrer, Cyrano de Bergerac v. Wm Holden, Sunset Blvd and Jimmy Steward, Harvey

Charlton Heston, Ben Hur v. Jack Lemmon, Some Like It Hot

Lee Marvin, Cat Ballou v. Richard Burton, The Spy Who Came In From the Cold

Cliff Robinson, Charly v. Peter O'Toole, The Lion in Winter
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:11 PM
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28. Gwyneth Paltrow over Cate Blanchett
She was robbed and the Academy still owes me and her an apology for that one!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:53 PM
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82. The Academy Owes Us All An Apology For That
ugh.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:30 PM
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102. Absolutely!
She was awful!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:50 AM
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34. Cuba Gooding Jr
just an awful actor
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:27 AM
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44. I agree, that was an awful choice...
William H. Macy should have won for Fargo that year
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:36 AM
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47. actually, I was thinking Edward Norton?
was he in the running too? All I know is SOMEONE got ROBBED.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:39 AM
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48. You're right he was nominated too
He was great in Primal Fear...I had forgotten about that, so two reasons why Cuba Gooding Jr should have never won that Oscar
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:24 AM
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50. OMG MACY IN FARGO - PHENOMENAL
CUBA BEAT BOTH THOSE GUYS? I AM DOUBLY OUTRAGED NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:10 AM
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37. Frances McDormand. It should have gone to Brenda Blethyn for "Secrets and Lies."
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 01:13 AM by bob_weaver
Not to say that Frances didn't play her part well. But Brenda really should have been rewarded.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:40 AM
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59. DEFINITELY!
I love McDormand, but she wasn't the keystone of that movie... Blethyn was... plus, she gets extra points for the Mike Leigh improv stuff.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:23 PM
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69. Thanks!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:12 AM
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38. I think many times it actually goes to the best role. Whatever actor happens to have
played the role is the lucky recipient.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:17 AM
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60. Marisa Tomei. Blergh!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:24 PM
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70. Yeah, her performance wasn't really Oscar-worthy, but the movie was funny.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:52 AM
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63. Gwyneth Paltrow for "Shakespeare In Love"
I liked the movie, and even liked her in it, but didn't think she gave an Oscar-level performance. Cate Blanchett was nominated for "Elizabeth" the same year, and she should have won. Then again, Cate doesn't have a famous Hollywood director for a father, and she did win best supporting for "The Aviator". But she should have won best actress for "Elizabeth".
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:53 AM
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64. Grace Kelly, "The Country Girl"...boring picture, routine performance.
..should have been Judy Garland for "A Star is Born".
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:56 AM
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66. That's a very sore spot for me.
Judy was ROBBED!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:57 AM
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67. Glenda Jackson "A Touch of Class"
Barbra Streisand RULED that year in "The Way We Were".
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:29 PM
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71. Marisa Tomei
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:36 PM
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72. Mel Gibson for "Braveheart"
His accent didn't know whether it wanted to be Irish or Scottish, his performance was incredibly self-indulgent. Also there is the historical fact that William Wallace stood 6'7" tall in real life.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:05 PM
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83. Gibson wasn't even nominated as an actor
And, they did address the height difference (Wallace's supposed real height of well over 6 feet tall, with the short (5'7"?) Gibson.

The bigger historical tragedy was the Battle of Stirling Bridge lost the bridge for the movie. That's like if "Saving Private Ryan" had the invasion of Normandy without the beach.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:19 PM
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99. Well that explains his BIG two handed sword.
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 01:23 PM by Reciprocity


The sword, which is a traditional two handed broad sword, is approximately 66 inches in length with the blade itself being around 52 inches long. The quality of the metal used for the blade suggests that it may have been forged in Scotland, unlike other swords of the period which were often Flemish or German in origin.

It is reasonable to assume that in order to carry, let alone weild, the sword Sir William Wallace must have been a man of considerable physical, as well as virtuous, stature. In fact it is estimated that to be able to weild the sword Sir William must have been more than six feet six inches tall.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:38 PM
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74. Cuba Gooding Jr. and Julia Roberts.
Cuba Gooding Jr was cute in his role, but was not particularly outstanding.

Julia Roberts is very overrated. She's in the Tom Cruise/ "I'm just playing myself" school of acting.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:39 PM
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75. lol so true. Andie McDowell is in that school of acting too
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:39 PM
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76. Susan Hayward
Susan Hayward won Best Actress for "I Want to Live!"

Rosslyn Russel should have won that year for her OUTSTANDING performance in "Auntie Mame"!
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:47 PM
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88. John Wayne for that stupid Rooster Cogburn movie n/t
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 03:27 AM
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93. I meant to reply to this last night. GWtW was crap compared to Mr. Chips.
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 03:28 AM by Poll_Blind
I'm serious. If the two movies were pro-wrestlers, GWtW would be some pretty boy like Leaping Lanny Poffo and Mr. Chips would be one of those burly Mexican wrestlers with a great big red mask over his head with only two eye holes and giant hole for his grande bigote to menace through.

No contest. I cried like a bitch at the end of Mr. Chips.

PB
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:52 AM
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94. Louis Gossett Jr.'s should have been taken back and given to R.Lee Ermey
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 10:04 AM by underpants
Actually they should have taken it back anyway once he started those "Iron Eagle" movies :puke:

Gossett won for doing an easy part-drill instructor but Ermey was the best.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:57 AM
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95. Sally Freakin' Fields!
She is the charter member of Overactors Anonymous. She won it twice and deserved neither. She didn't even deserve a nomination for those dreadful, thesbian performances.
The Professor
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:17 AM
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96. IMHO, the biggest heist was Tommy Lee Jones for "The Fugitive"
That award had Ralph Fiennes's name all over it!

Also, the Martin Scorsese Saga is quite interesting.

Do you realize that in each of his most anticipated shoo-in moments he got aced out by a "dayjob" actors?

1981 Up for "Raging Bull". Beaten by Robert Redford, "Ordinary People"

1991 Up for "Goodfellas". Owned by Kevin Costner, "Dances With Wolves"

2005 Up for "The Aviator". Zonked by Clint Eastwood, "Million Dollar Baby"
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:25 PM
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100. They always give it to the actor-cum-director.
It's always seems to be a white male Hollywood insider who started out as an actor and now directs or directs part-time. Robert Redford, Mel Gibson, Ron Howard, Clint Eastwood, Warren Beatty, Kevin Costner.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:36 PM
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101. Ron Howard, I would slightly disagree on
He never struck me as the A-list movie star that the others on that list were. True he had small-screen success. It's a bit different with TV, in fact, one could argue that it's a big hurdle to get around when transitioning to the big screen. Plus, he's a full-time director unlike the others; I'd throw him in the same tank as Rob Reiner and Penny Marshall.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:23 PM
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105. I'm just talking statistics, not A-list.
I have nothing at all against Ron Howard. The former actor as director is just something I've noticed, and it's interesting to me that the so-called auteur approach to direction doesn't necessarily translate into Oscar wins.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 03:00 PM
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104. Agree and disagree
Jones didn't deserve it, but I would have given it to John Malkovich for the job he did in "In the Line of Fire."
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:19 PM
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106. Gwyneth Paltrow, Grace Kelly, William Holden.........
Jack Nicholson :hide: Elizabeth Taylor (hey, if Richard Burton never won one!!!), uh, let me think...............

I'll get back to this.....maybe. :)
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:34 PM
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107. Simone Signoret should have won for "Ship of Fools" instead of Julie Christie for "Darling."
Simone Signoret and Oskar Werner should have BOTH won Oscars, for their unforgettable performances in "Ship of Fools."
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