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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:15 AM Original message |
Scott's Lawn Company Fires Worker For Smoking (OFF The Job) |
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AllegroRondo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. I seem to remember a Michigan company a couple years ago |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hold it. They are drug testing grass cutters now? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Of course. Do you want some reefer mad dude crashing into your trees, |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Bosses are now cops. Didn't you get the memo? |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. He wasn't a grass cutter |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is wrong. Nicotine is not illegal. Unless he lied about it an insurance form, they |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Naw.. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I am no fan of smoking. I think it stinks up a room or a car. So, yes, ban it from |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I have no problem paying higher insurance.. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Sorry, no, that won't cut it. There are reams of data on the health effects of smoking. Not so |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Sorry, I guess my point didn't come across |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Eh? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Hmm. Well I didn't say that. Your words, not mine. Your point is? |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. I quit smoking in the past six months. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. I believe healthcare costs are driven up more by non-exercisers |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Again it is a question of monitoring so it is a non starter even if your claim is |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. In other word, |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. You should try it |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. That is scary |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. Oh well |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Oh come on. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You're right |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Yeah, prohibition works great |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. So, what, you think we should end prohibition on murder, rape, robbery |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. OH My God...You think like I do... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. . |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Well no - most here are not "applauding this type of thing." So you are pulling a straw man there. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I said "more and more people" are applauding |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Not sure that most people would applaud banning smoking outside of the workplace and public |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Enough with the straw man. That phrase is overused and a cop out |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I think it is a good term. Sorry you disagree. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Good luck in the war on saving the world |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. How you "live your life" can have an impact on other people if you are smoking carelessly. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Exactly |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Hmm. I don't think you are taking it the way I meant it. I meant that the |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I'm afraid I don't know what examples you are talking about |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Not sure I was commenting on which ones would affect you specifically but anyway |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. He didn't say "most," he said "more and more" |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Thank you |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You're welcome. Actually, you said it quite clearly in #33, I just like to |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. I sided with the smoker in this case. But I do think that smokers have brought |
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brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. There was a time |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well, most of the butts have been coming out of car windows in traffic, so I do not give smokers a |
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brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. If dog owners |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. My brother is a non-smoker who works in a bar |
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QMPMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
9. While I am not a fan of smoking, it's going way too far for a company |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. Not the School Board! Anything but that! |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. If the school board requires that they should buy him a couple extra suits. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Cool. This case pits two of my strongest outrages against each other. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
62. I hope to God you're sarcastic about this part of your post: |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. No. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You're seriously comparing smoking with assault and attempted murder? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Absolutely. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Where do I start... |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
14. What if he inhaled it second hand at a bar? |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. another question crossed my mind |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. good point - or nicotine gum. If he had a prescription he would probably be |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. Scott's Lawn Chemicals Service is worried about smokers? |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. no shit |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
23. This needs to end up with a huge pay-out. |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. Another good reason to take Health Insurance out of Private hands |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Well yes, and then tax the hell out of all risky behaviors and put the tax money into the |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. How would you keep pre-existing conditions and |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. If we had a single-payer system, pre-existing conditions do not come up. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. You're being sarcastic, right? Geez, I hope so... |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. smoking |
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Excellent! n/t |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. Employers who think one's off hours are their business need to |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
30. Absolutely ridiculous |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
38. Mind-boggling hypocrisy.... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Well, to be fair, they aren't recommending smoking the 2,4 - D. |
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Left Is Write (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. This hiring policy SHOULD be challenged - and found unlawful. |
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ChoralScholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
47. wow. |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. There's an insurance company in Michigan |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Simple recourse |
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