Roses or The Stench of BCS?

[MrCoffee]

Which will be the better football game?

[Brotherjohn]

1. Michigan already had their shot at Ohio St. (and lost). Let somebody else have a shot.

College football doesn't begin and end w/ the Big 10.

[MrCoffee]

2. i'm no fan of any of the 4...just asking what game would be better

and IMO, the Rose Bowl is gonna be a much better football game than the BCS game.

[jayfish]

4. It's Not About Team A) Getting A Shot At Team B)

It's about the best two teams playing each other for the championship. Who cares if UoM played OSU five times this season? If OSU and UoM are the two best teams they should play for the championship. Of course I'm not a :applause: Michigan :woohoo: fanboi or anything like that.

Jay

[Brotherjohn]

12. Yes, that's what it's about. But who's "best" is subjective. How do you pick? (and there's the rub)

The best way to judge that is mano a mano. OSU and MI already did that, on the field.

OSU proved they were better than Michigan.

[MrCoffee]

13. this method of picking sucks...

when Tressel can sit out the last vote in the Coaches Poll, and that one guy voted Florida #1 to keep OSU from having a perfect run...something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[jayfish]

15. Well If You Go By The BCS...

rankings before this weekend, Michigan and OSU are the best. When have you seen the #4 team vault ahead of the #3 team even though the #3 team didn't post a loss that weekend? ...BCS or otherwise? It'd be like USC jumping to #1 in the BSC for winning Saturday.

Jay

[Brotherjohn]

17. Before the end of the season is irrelevant. And this has of course happened before in many polls.

It's happened before in many polls (No. 3 jumping No. 2 who didn't play, or similar numbers, or a team that played but did so unimpressively being passed by a team that killed). LSU-USC-Oklahoma scenario a couple of years ago? Similar situation, anyway.

But jumping the number ONE, no, that has seldom if ever happened, and wouldn't have with USC winning this past weekend. Most pollsters usually have a solid number one. But if there ever were a rare case where pollsters were evenly split on No. 1, it would be entirely feasible.

And FL didn't suddenly move up to pass MI this week. They've been gaining on them since their only loss. They ended up looking more impressive at the end of the year. And OSU had their shot.

[jayfish]

19. A-Ha!

If "Before the end of the season is irrelevant" then it shouldn't natter that UM played OSU and lost. :hide:

Jay

[Brotherjohn]

20. I didn't say what happened on the field earlier in the season is irrelevant.

But the VOTING... compared to a the end-of-season results (which you were doing), voting before the end of the season IS irrelevant. It's based on less information.

The polls & rankings are only predictions. They start w/, basically, educated guesses at the beginning of the season, and get more and more refined each week. It isn't until all the games are played that all the information is in.

[cobalt1999]

21. Well if you go by the BCS...

rankings after this weekend, Florida and OSU are the best.

Lots of times teams move ahead of other teams that have a off week during the year. Nothing new there. Michigan finished and Florida kept adding to their resume.

Your ASSUMPTION is Michigan is better than Florida. No way to tell that unless they play. Without a playoff, it all opinions. Computers have them tied. The other factors such as schedule strength, playing an extra game against a top ten team, winning their conference tilted those opinions.

My opinion is Florida is probably as good if not a better team than Michigan. Who's right? We'll never know.

[Strawman]

16. Sure but, it's unreasonable to not expect the voters to act strategically

Especially when there is no clear cut #2. The "objective" computer had them tied. Voters knew their ranking would set the title game and they voted strategically for the game they wanted to see. They can do that.

They should just have a 16 team playoff, 4 weeks in December with the Championship in January and make the regular seaosn end before Thanksgiving like the Big Ten. What are there now 5 BCS games? 3 more lesser bowls would get BCS juice as a quarterfinal game under a 16 team system. Rotate the finals between those 5 bowls in the BCS now. 1 gets it every 5th year and the others are semifinals. You could even rotate the quarterfinal games among the lesser bowls to get them on board.

As for the bowl games left out, why not organize them like an NIT-style post season bowl tournament? Everyone wins. Even a team going to the Motor City Bowl would have a shot at an NIT-like post-season championship. It would make every bowl game more meaningful and boost ratings.

[jayfish]

18. Exactly My Problem.

The voters acted strategically rather than voting for the best teams. I like your playoff scenario but I'd keep the normal bowl schedule for non-championship games and just designate a rotating championship location every year. No need for a losers bracket, IMO.

Jay

[PVnRT]

11. No, but apparently it does with the SEC

:eyes:

Florida lost to Auburn, who did not win their conference nor finish in the final BCS rankings.

Michigan lost to Ohio State, who did win their conference and has been #1 all season, in Columbus by three points.

Both teams played Vanderbilt. Michigan beat them by 20. Florida by 6.

If Texas beat A&M and ended up #2 this year, should they "get another shot" at Ohio State? Something tells me a lot of the same people saying Michigan shouldn't get a rematch would be arguing for a rematch with Texas.

[Brotherjohn]

14. I'm not saying keep it in one conference, you are. I'm saying bring it outside of...

... that two-team tandem of admittedly great teams in the Big 10.

They already decided who's best among them... on the field.

I'm not saying the SEC is the best. I'm saying that MI played the best in the Big 10, and beat them. If they are going to claim the NATIONAL championship, they should play the best from the next contender, who in this case is the champion from the SEC.

Trying to guess who should now play OSU based on common opponents, schedules, records, et. is moot. OSU beat MI on the field. That's the opportunity that the National Championship game is supposed to provide. That's what it's all about. Sometimes it gets decided earlier in the year when two great teams meet.

[Broken_Hero]

3. OSU/Florida...

because I think Michigan will steamroll USC, so the national title game, I believe will be better...but most bowl games are one sided(usually)

[MrCoffee]

5. funny...i think OSU is gonna eat Florida's lunch...

and that the Rose Bowl is going to be the better football game...unless of course they (USC & Mich) don't get over the heartbreak of not playing for the championship

[Broken_Hero]

8. I don't know, its all subjective, until the game is over

OSU, I haven't seen any of their games this year, except their game against UT, and they didn't look all that great to me, and UT didn't have Young either...so I didn't know how to gauge them....College ball is hard to figure, unless you start throwing in some good out of conference match ups throughout the season....

For Michigan, same boat essentially...I saw a little bit of their game against OSU, and they were going back and forth...it was a decent game, but didn't pay much attention to it...

And a lot of people/coaches/whomever put a lot of stock into who the teams have beaten...for Michigan, I think beating Notre Dame is meaningless, they are an overrated bs team...and Florida probably played some overhyped teams in the SEC(which ones, I don't know)...

To me, there has to be a playoff, or stronger out of conference mathups...I'm so sick and tired of hearing "big ten is the best, sec is the best, big 12 is the best etc etc" remarks, because how the hell do we know? I would like to see OSU play against say, a stronger SEC team, like Tenn, or a Florida team during the season...same with all the other big name schools...because, we don't know just how strong the conferences are, when they are not cross playing one another during the season...when they do cross over in the bowl games, they are usually one sided beatings...like OU vs Boise St...I think OU is going to steam roll them, big time, although I will cheer for Boise...so, why isn't OU playing somebody a bit tougher? I dont' think its an accurate representation of OU's power, if they are beating a team(more than likely) that really is not all that great....

But, its all up to your POV....:D

[JVS]

9. Maybe they can both be shitty mismatches!

[underpants]

6. What about the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2854741
from the people who brought you the Vietnam war.

[MrCoffee]

7. Tulsa v. Utah? man, i better set the Tivo for that epic showdown.

[Broken_Hero]

10. It just might be! :) nt