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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:35 AM
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Poll question: Who's sick of them using the word "freedom"?
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 02:36 AM by jpgray
I wish they'd give it a rest! They've already made WMD meaningless, I hope they don't take "freedom" down with it. Freedom Fries, Freedom Tower, Operation Iraqi Freedom, the freaking Freedom Rest G.I. lounge in Iraq, where does it end?

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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:40 AM
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1. Not me.........
Freedom is one of the things that makes this country great.....even if some of our freedoms have been impinged upon; there's still enough of them left to enjoy being an American.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:47 AM
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2. I agree.
I just wish that Bush and his cronies would stop bastardizing the word freedom.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:08 AM
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7. You'll get no argument from me on that one...........
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:59 AM
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3. "Fighting for our freedom" has already become meaningless.
It's become an empty slogan. Freedom from what? We're talking about an invasion and occupation. It's not defensive in any way.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:06 AM
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6. I don't think of it as freedom 'from' something.........
but rather having freedom 'of' things, like speech for example.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:46 AM
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10. I've never interpreted it that way.
I suppose the phrase would mean something if it were used by a protester. Going to jail for stepping out of the "free speech zone" is certainly fighting for your freedoms.

I always see it used in reference to the war these days, and I see nothing in that situation that could remotely be called fighting for our freedoms. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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lapauvre Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:03 AM
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4. freedom? Freedom?
What was that song Janis Joplin sang.

Freedom for what? Freedom for whom? Freedom to have a job when you want to work? Freedom to work for less wages and do more work, to bring up productivity. Freedom to have unions destroyed so that men's labor and women's labor doesn't matter. Freedom to be called a commie and a traitor if you aren't an evangelical. Freedom for the right wing to insult, disparage, demean, humiliate, ridicule. blackmail,cast out, deny, neglect, disrespect any one who isn't one of THEM?

Nothing left to lose. If we don't vote out soundly this monstrous, well organized bunch of lunatics, we have absolutely nothing left to lose.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:03 AM
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5. I'm far more tired of...
... "homeland."
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:47 AM
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15. Agreed, I thought thed word "homeland" died in 1945...
after Germany surrendered and the Aryan Nazi party was rightfully brought to its pathetic stubby little knees. They often used "homeland" as a descriptor too... hmm.....
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 03:49 AM
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8. Here's an eerily timely use of the word 'freedom', by one of my heroes...
Power in the Darkness, by Tom Robinson (1979)


Power in the darkness
Frightening lies from the other side
Power in the darkness
Stand up and fight for your rights

Freedom...we're talking bout your freedom
Freedom to choose what you do with your body
Freedom to believe what you like
Freedom for brothers to love one another
Freedom for black and white
Freedom from harassment, intimidation
Freedom for the mother and wife
Freedom from Big Brother's interrogation
Freedom to live your own life... I'm talking 'bout

Power in the darkness
Frightening lies from the other side
Power in the darkness
Stand up and fight for your rights

(Voice from The Other Side:) "Today, institutions fundamental to the British
system of Government are under attack: the public schools, the house
of Lords, the Church of England, the holy institution of Marriage,
even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who
would undermine our society, and it's about time we said "enough is
enough" and saw a return to the traditional British values of
discipline, obedience, morality and freedom. What we want is:

Freedom from the reds and the blacks and the criminals
Prostitutes, pansies and punks
Football hooligans, juvenile delinquents
Lesbians and left wing scum
Freedom from the niggers and the Pakis and the unions
Freedom from the Gipsies and the Jews
Freedom from leftwing layabouts and liberals
Freedom from the likes of you..."

Power in the darkness
Frightening lies from the other side
Power in the darkness
Stand up and fight for your rights

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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:13 AM
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9. as long as were dishing out lyrics...
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 04:14 AM by LastKnight
'Freedom' by Rage Against The Machine

Solo, I'm a soloist on a solo list
Al live, never on a floppy disk
Inka, inka, bottle of ink
Paintings of rebellion
Drawn up by the thoughts I think

Yeah!
Come on!
The militant poet in once again, check it

It's set up like a deck of cards
They're sending us to early graves
For all the diamonds
They'll use a pair of clubs to beat the spades
With poetry I paint the pictures that hit
More like the murals that fit
Don't turn away
Get in front of it

Brotha, did ya forget ya name?
Did ya lose it on the wall
Playin' tic-tac-toe?

Yo, check the diagonal
Three brothers gone
Come on
Doesn't that make it three in a row?

Spoken quietly: 'Anger is a gift'

Come on!
Uggh!

(Guitar solo)

Check that!
Uggh!
Come on
Yeah
Uggh

Brotha, did ya forget ya name?
Did ya lose it on the wall
Playin' tic-tac-toe?

Yo, check the diagonal
Three million gone
Come on
'Cause they're counting backwards to zero

Environment
The environment exceeding on the level
Of our unconciousness
For example
What does the billboard say
Come and play, come and play
Forget about the movement

Spoken quietly: 'Anger is a gift'

Yeeeaaahhhh!
Uggh!
Awww, bring that shit in!
Uggh!
Hey!

Freedom...yea...
Freedom...yea right...
Freedom...yeeeaaahhh!
Freedom!
Yea!
Freedom!
Yea right!
Freedom!
Yea!
Freedom!
Yea!
Right!

one of my rage favorites.

-LK
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Wonco_the_Sane Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 04:55 AM
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11. voted other
Leaned to yes but reading reply's...I too am much more sick and tired of the word homeland.

Sounds to much like Mother or Fatherland...scary stuff.
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 10:08 AM
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16. Welcome to DU! You look familiar....
Does Wonco_the_Sane = Wonkothesane from another bulletin board I read? One that occasionally discusses baseball? If so, I am "whoisalhedges" there.

Welcome again!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:34 AM
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12. I'm digging the irony of it all!
Every time the Reich Wing tags "Freedom" onto a product, a food or an idea, you can bet your ass that the idea behind it is to make somebody else less free.

:evilgrin:
dbt
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:44 AM
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13. I've enjoyed making meaningless faux commercials about it
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 06:45 AM by thebigidea
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:45 AM
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14. I must agree, and some expounding on the terms...
They've warped and abused the meaning of the word so much that it comes across as slanderous these days.

"They hate us for our freedoms" (translated: They hate us because we allow corporations to run amok like they have over the last 21 years)

"Freedom tower" (another SHAM, sodomizing the American people much like "Patriot Day" had (the shadow 'holiday' that you work through that is 9/11 on 99% of the calendars you now buy, and don't forget that Bush was negligent or heinous for allowing it to happen.)

"freedom ______" (replace _____ with some object; this was our oh-so-clever retort to the countries who had the guts to question the motives of this WAR OF CHOICE.)

"Operation Iraqi Freedom" (Sham. Utter sham and disgrace and undignified. This was, since day 1, a war of choice on the basis of vengeance for a comment Saddam said a very long time ago and had been responded to by then-president Bill Clinton. Oil was also an appealing aspect. We did liberate the Iraqis, who then went to loot and destroy museums, banks, and other buildings of value and our soldiers were told for the longest time to sit back and do nothing. x( Upon the "success" of the "liberation", it's becoming increasingly clear how they do not want us there. Understandable, we destroyed their country. And for WHAT? NOTHING. Bush used lies and deception (more indignity and disgrace) to sway the American people; more than half of which still support the idiot*.)
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