The rock music era began and ended with what 2 songs?

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For the sake of argument, I'll say it began with Goree Carter's "Rock Awhile" and ended with The Romantics' "What I Like About You."

[MedleyMisty]

1. It's over?

News to me. I thought rock music was still around.

[begin_within]

2. Name a truly great rock song written in the last 26 years.

[Ariana Celeste]

3. oh that's easy

Nickelback's "How You Remind Me"

[LeftyMom]

7. Something inside me just died.

I just wanted to let you know that you have that on your conscience now. :evilgrin:

[Alexander]

27. A REAL great rock song.

:evilgrin:

[datasuspect]

4. bon jovi "wanted dead or alive"

[jobycom]

5. If the Romantics is your standard for "great rock song," then many, many, many

"great rock songs" have been written and recorded in the last 26 years. ANYTHING by Nirvana, several by Guns n Roses... heck, with the Romantics as a standard, I'd submit Greenday, Nickelback, and I'd be tempted to move on down to Sanjiyah's cover of Van Halen.

[begin_within]

9. I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.

[jobycom]

16. Okay, step through this with me.

You said the rock era ended with the Romantics's "What I Like About You." Someone said "The rock era ended? News to me." You said "Name one great rock song in the past 26 years." Now, if "WILAY" wasn't "great," then there is no reason for any other rock song afterwards to be great in order to prove the rock era is not over, since the last "great" rock song would have been at some point before "WILAY."

So you may not have said it explicitly, but it was in there. :)

[begin_within]

33. The last song of the rock era didn't have to be a "great song." It could have ended with a whimper.

[jobycom]

37. Which means the lack of "great" rock songs does not mean the rock era is over.

S'my point. :)

[begin_within]

40. No wonder Democrats lose elections. So much infighting.

[freethought]

6. I can't say where it started but I can say in ended with

"Video Killed the Radio Star" by the Bugles. It was the first video to play on MTV. MTV and video music changed the entire equation about rock music and thus began its long, slow death.

[DBoon]

8. I say it started with "Rocket 88" by Bill Haley and the Comets

1951, the first time a country swing band took an R&B song and made it their own

[NightWatcher]

10. Good one. It ended with Smells LIke Teen Spirit (Nirvana)

The underground grunge movement represented the spirit of rock and roll, but when Sub Pop records went mainstream, all was lost. Since them it's all been profit driven. (with the exception of independent rockers)

[datasuspect]

11. it's always been profit-driven, but the artists, artist types, and sympathetic owners

and businessmen once held more power.

that changed with "frampton comes alive."

[NightWatcher]

13. I'll give you that one

Frampton sucked. And the idea of "Arena Rock" is the antithesis of the spirit of music.

[Oeditpus Rex]

35. Frampton sucked?

He's one of the most admired and respected guitarists of the last 35 years. :wtf:

Don't blame the artist for the mess producers make of his craft.

[fudge stripe cookays]

43. That's always been my feeling.

And I loved the movie "Singles". But when grunge went mainstream, there was nothing to "rebel" against anymore, and that is always what good rock and roll was about.

And anyone suggesting Nickelback, Creed, or System of a Down in this thread rank up there with "good" music should be shot. Seriously. How can you listen to that shit?

[Joe Fields]

14. Correction, it was Ike Turner in 1951 who first recorded Rocket 88

[Tikki]

17. Yes, Ike played bass and produced this number....but, it was Jackie Brenston's song.

This being Sun Records and all.


Tikki

[Joe Fields]

19. It was Ike's group that recorded it. The authorship has been disputed

all these years.

[DBoon]

18. I know Ike Turner first recorded it

Bill Haley was the first western swing band to cover an R&B song. That's what I said, right?

The resulting combination became rock-and-roll.

A lot of R&B going back to the 1930s has a very rock-and-roll sound to it.

The element of country completes the mix

[Joe Fields]

20. If you listen to Ike's version of Rocket 88, there's no mistaking it for

anything other than rock and roll.

[DBoon]

23. along with many other R&B songs back to the 1930s

nt

[Joe Fields]

25. I disagree. Otherwise, there would be credit given to other

artists, before Ike Turner.

[Joe Fields]

21. "the element of country completes the mix" Say what?

Not sure where you came up with that one.

[DBoon]

22. That's the definition of "rock and roll"

and what makes it different from Blues or R&B. I view rock and roll as the musical legacy of the rural migration to big cities after WWII, and the mix of blues and hillbilly music that came from it.

If your definition of Rock and Roll doesn't include country, then the Rock era began with Son House in 1932. His blues from this era has most of the elements of rock and roll.

[Joe Fields]

28. It's true that I have a different opinion on this subject from yours.

Best we leave it alone. Not interested in flaming this thread.

[mitchum]

39. But the rock era did begin with Son House

I don't deny or dispute your definition of rock and roll (I agree with it), but just last week, while listening to "My Black Mama", I was ranting to my wife (she puts up with a lot) about how there was a sraight line from his work and the rock and roll of Chuck Berry and Bob Dylan. American genuises all.
You're right; House's recordings from that era do have the elements of rock and roll. With many of his contemporaries you have to listen sideways until you find yourself saying "...uh...yeah...I can...hear...it...yeah...that...rocks" That is never the case with Son House.

[Joe Fields]

45. I have to disagree. Son House was primarily a delta blues singer.

Roy Brown, from the '40's was an R&B performer, who I feel did more to lend an influence, with his recording of Good Rockin' Tonight, in 1948.

As for country and western's influence, I must say that it is the other way around. R&B, and gospel music influenced country performers, who then switched to the new genre. And, while it is true that rockabilly was an influence in the '50's, it was only an evolution of a type of music that had already laid down it's roots.

[some guy]

31. I don't know where it started or ended

but I do agree with your defining it as a meld of R&B and country flavors.

:hi:

[stuntcat]

12. something had me jumping up & down and making devil horns

at the Wolfmother concert the other night, when they played Colossal!! :headbang:

Maybe it wasn't rock, I don't know what it was though, it felt like it Rocked!

[EstimatedProphet]

15. It started with The Golden Road (to Unlimited Devotion)-Grateful Dead, 1967

It died with A Box of Rain on Soldier Field, July 9th, 1995.

[Trajan]

24. Ended ?

Rock is alive and well .....

Im an older DUer, but hot damn, the rock scene today is just as vibrant and alive as it ever was ...

What has ended is your curiosity of rock music ... your acceptance of change ...

From System Of A Down to Nine Inch Nails ...
From Korn to Limp Bizkit ...
From The Killers to The Kaiser Chiefs ...
From Franz Ferdinand to Foo Fighters ...

Rock is alive and well, thank you ...

Your perception of what constitutes rock music is what limits your acceptance of current rock forms ...

[opiate69]

29. No shit..

if I had a dollar for every time someone incorrectly avowed that "rock is dead!!!!", I'd be Bill Gates' next door neighbor.

[Clark2008]

44. Rock is dead... long live rock!

Down at the Astoria the scene was changing,
Bingo and rock were pushing out X-rating,
We were the first band to vomit in the bar,
And find the distance to the stage too far,
Meanwhile it's getting late at ten o'clock,
Rock is dead they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

People walk in sideways pretending that they're leaving,
We put on our makeup and work out all the lead-ins,
Jack is in the alley selling tickets made in Hong Kong,
Promoter's in the pay box wondering where the band's gone,
Back in the pub the governor stops the clock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

Landslide, rocks are falling,
Falling down 'round our very heads,
We tried but you were yawning,
Look again, rock is dead, rock is dead, rock is dead.

The place is really jumping to the Hiwatt amps,
'Til a 20-inch cymbal fell and cut the lamps,
In the blackout they dance right into the aisle,
And as the doors fly open even the promoter smiles,
Someone takes his pants off and the rafters knock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

[Alexander]

30. Most of those bands suck, and aren't really rock.

Limp Bizkit? Gimme a break.

The Foos, NIN and System I can see (although NIN is far more industrial than rock).

[Alexander]

26. Bill Haley's "Rock Around The Clock" to GNR's "Welcome To The Jungle"

1954-1987.

Rock isn't dead, it's just having a rest.

[Joe Fields]

32. It may not have "officially" died, but it's been on life support for

decades now. What I mean is that, for all intents and purposes, rock is dead and died back somewhere in the 1970's. But, every now and then a good rock and roll song will come out. But, they are very few and very far between, like the waning pulse and heartbeat of a man who is dying.

[Wetzelbill]

34. Bill Haley's "Rock Around The Clock" and Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit"

:)

[Tikki]

36. 1947..."Good Rockin' Tonight"....Roy Brown..

....also, covered by Wynonie Harris that year....

I don't know, every once in awhile I find some newer band that I want to tune in to.
Right now it's The Old Haunts from Olympia WA.

Tikki

[unpossibles]

38. it's not dead at all

as a musician who plays rock and has seen a TON of great rock bands, I don't really understand how anyone could think it's dead, or that it's become purely corporate. I assume you don't get out much.

The internet and the ability to record cheaply have put music back in the hands of artists. The labels are dying because they got greedy, stupid, and inflexible.

Frankly, The Knack was a much better band from that era anyway - Good Girls Don't, My Sharona, She's so Selfish.



Great rock songs since TWILAY (1979):

Mr. Brownstone - Guns & Roses
All The Lessons - Rose Tattoo
King Rocker - Generation X
Six Barrel Shotgun - Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
Should I Stay Or Should I Go - The Clash
Do You Remember Rock 'n' Roll Radio? - The Ramones
Rock This Town - The Stray Cats
What Do I get - The Buzzcocks
45 - Elvis Costello
Don't Make It Stop - Firewater
Big Red - Frank Black
Graceland - The Groovie Ghoulies
I'm The Man - Joe Jackson
Coma Girl - Joe Strummer
Thursday - Morphine
You're Gonna Pay - The Patsys
Martini Time - Reverand Horton Heat
I Got You - Split Enz
Seven Nation Army - The White Stripes


There are tons more that I am not thinking of probably. Seriously though, with a little effort I bet you can find a rock band in your area and maybe even a 50's style rock band in your area that is playing this weekend. And yes, some of the bands above are considered "punk" now, but bands like the Ramones were just trying to do basic rock and roll, so I think that counts.

[Mr. Blonde]

41. I don't know when it began.

I would say any of the songs mentioned in this thread are viable answers for when it began.

I became a rock music fan the first time I heard "Black Dog" by Zeppelin. At least the first time I heard it and knew what it was.

And as far as I'm concerned Rock is still going very strong. Just Thursday a new favorite of mine came out, "Icky Thump" by The White Stripes.

I don't think you can listen to Kings of Leon, The Black Keys, Arctic Monkeys, Robert Randolph and the Family Band, or Drive-by Truckers and say the rock era is over. It is still alive and well. What it isn't is on major labels for the most part. But with the internet who needs a major label. Arctic Monkeys were a huge band in England without a label.

[Mr. Blonde]

42. Dupe

Meanwhile, another tab is still waiting on DU.

[KurtNYC]

46. born with "Rock Around the Clock" died with Zep's In through the Out door