My latest response from the Freeper.

[coloradodem2005]

The response is as follows:

Assuming you're right on when the recession started (which I doubt), President Bush was in power for less than two months. Any policy which he enacted could not possibly have that kind of impact on the Economy that quickly. Yes, the President now says weapons programs, as opposed to actual weapons, but if a rogue state is developing weapons programs, it means that they intend to you those weapons , which are being developed, therefore, the threat to the neighborhood & to the West is still there. Once again, what policies did Bush enact that caused the cost of healthcare to skyrocket? The answer is none. Healthcare costs are increasing because of Jackpot Juries. As for the lower wage jobs, stuff like that happens, but how much of that is because the workers lack the training to make more money? Also, NAFTA, which I agree with, was setup under Clinton, not Bush II, causing the loss in ceratin jobs.


WHat would be a legitimate response? I am already thinking that he must not care about American Jobs if he agrees with NAFTA and admits that it cost us jobs.

[HFishbine]

1. At least one thing you need to bring to his attention.

"Weapons programs" is now passe in the Bush administration. It is now, "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities..." (George Bush, State of the Union Speech, January 20, 2004)

[stepnw1f]

2. Response

So what's your point? Do you think the president is helping or hurting the economy? Are you saying the president did not mislead Congress and the public about WMDs? Do you think the president is improving the health care system? Lower wages...'stuff like that just happens'....surrrrre it does. And finally NAFTA, regardless of who set it up, smells of corruption regardless of its intent.

[methinks2]

3. actually

I seem to remember that it was during the election time of the 2000 election that the economy started stalling. Investors don't like war talk. Any investors old enough to have been reading during the first Bush's time would have remembered that Cheney was involved in Panama. (Obviously a war-hawk just looking for a chance to drop bombs on someone.) The obvious fact that the country's admin offices were stolen in a bloodless coup didn't help to bring the investors back. The only investors that would stick around during that type of administration are those who invest in war. The rest of the investors look for more stable countries. Our economy will not rebound until we vote anyone who is war-mad-hungry out of office.

[TolstoyAndy]

4. He's not paying attention

Bush and Cheney and Powell said things like
"reconstituted nuclear weapons" "mushroom cloud" "100,000 tons of sarin" (or was it anthrax?).

Rumsfeld said, "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat", referring to the weapons.

Blair said he could hit us in 45 minutes.

They are all liars. Someone posted this page of their many quotes:
http://billmon.org.v.sabren.com/archives/000172.html

I'd stick to the lying issue. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with changing the story after 510 dead soldiers and 10,000 Iraqis.

On Nafta, I think it was negotiated under Bush I, but good globalist Clinton went along with it. I may be wrong. Clinton is still at fault for the lost jobs, though.

[POed_Ex_Repub]

5. My responses.. word however you like...

"Assuming you're right on when the recession started (which I doubt), President Bush was in power for less than two months. Any policy which he enacted could not possibly have that kind of impact on the Economy that quickly. "

And in four years the stock market is in about the same place it was when Bush II took office, 2.3 million jobs have been lost (with only 1000 created in the month of December). And they only thing Bush I's tax cuts have done for the economy is create record deficits. Tell me, was he in office long enough to have THAT kind of impact on the economy?

Yes, the President now says weapons programs, as opposed to actual weapons, but if a rogue state is developing weapons programs, it means that they intend to you those weapons , which are being developed, therefore, the threat to the neighborhood & to the West is still there.

The president didn't sell "Weapons programs" to invade Iraq. He sold "an immediate threat", preying upon post 9/11 fears. Lots of countries have "weapons programs". (And are much further along in the process to boot, can you say "North Korea"?) If the latter is why we invaded Iraq, why was that not the reason stated by Bush II? Simple, "weapons programs" doesn't strike the fear needed to back an invasion.

Once again, what policies did Bush enact that caused the cost of health care to skyrocket? The answer is none. Health care costs are increasing because of Jackpot Juries.

If Jackpot juries are the cause then why are equivalent drugs cheaper in Canada? Did this new Medicare plan lower the costs of drugs (I'm sure other DUers can give you lots of examples on that one)

As for the lower wage jobs, stuff like that happens, but how much of that is because the workers lack the training to make more money?

Workers lack of training you say? What about IT workers? Most of these people have 4 year degrees or better (if he doesn't believe you on that one I can show him my bachelors in computer science) :grr: . How about the Accountants, X-ray technicians, and HR personnel that have been off-shored, are they not educated? What job in this economy can you be educated in and do well. (be mindful that the education will cost more money to these people who already have student loans from their previous four year degrees)

Do YOU want to compete with someone making 6 bucks an hour? The compelling factor is in differing cost of living, NOT EDUCATION. You can get a master's degree in India these days...

Also, NAFTA, which I agree with, was setup under Clinton, not Bush II, causing the loss in certain jobs.

Try, any job that you don't have to be physically present to do. And it's not just NAFTA. When did India, China and the Philippines become part of north America? What's Bush doing to solve this issue? Tax cuts to the wealthy? So they can do what, invest more overseas?

(on edit, spelling and grammer fixes)

[Whitacre D_WI]

6. "Healthcare costs are increasing because of Jackpot Juries."

This has no basis in fact. Do a Google search on malpractice premiums.

Medical malpractice premiums are IN NO WAY related to actual judgments; they are the insurance companies charging whatever they want because doctors NEED insurance.

It's called price gouging, not capitalism.