Buy Folger Coffee (this has to do with Sharon Tate murder case)

[Bryn]

I thought of Sharon Tate this month and her tragic passing as well as others who were her house guests, Sharon's baby boy and Steven Parent, happened 38 years ago. I was a very young girl then and was horrified by the whole story.

Recently I decided to research over the internet for more info. on her case, etc. I came upon the board via www.crimeshots.com

There's a lady posting there that claimed she was in prison with Susan Atkins and Leslie. She had interesting things to say about them..that they were changed women and very caring, wonderful, etc. and that she supported their parole...blah blah..

As you know..Sharon Tate's mom fought for victims' rights to prevent any of her killers from being released from prison (parole). She passed away in 1994, then Sharon's sister, Patti took over..then she, too, passed away from breast cancer at age of 40 in 2000 so Sharon's middle sister, Debra took over the fight.

But guess what? That lady that posted in support of Susan Atkins and Leslie. Susan was very involved in Sharon's murder, but Leslie wasn't there, she was involved with a rich couple murder the next night after Tate's murder. One of Sharon's house guests that was killed on the lawn was Abigail Folger, heiress of coffee. They fooled with the wrong woman, truly. Because from what I understand from that crazy lady:

Every time Susan Atkins or Charles "Tex" Watson or Charles Mason or Patricia or.. shows up for parole, there'd be several limos pulling up. Folger Coffee people!! They have money to get a dream team of lawyers to keep them in prison.

She posted like this: "Susan will never parole as long as Folger makes coffee"

I really had a good laugh about this one. I am switching from Maxwell to Folger now... keep them in prison. Sure they said they have changed, are now Christians, but they cannot play God's card. If you are foolish enough to be careless and drive to hit a tree and you get paralyzed for life..that's the way it goes for those horrible murderers. They can stay in prison and change for better and help others, but the public will never ever accept them if they get out. What do you think?

[deucemagnet]

1. Folger's is a Proctor & Gamble brand now, so I doubt that your patronage...

...helps the cause. Sorry.

[Bryn]

2. Oh, that sucks! I checked and you were right

"In 1963 the Procter & Gamble Company (P&G) of Cincinnati, OH, acquired the Folgers Coffee Company and began national distribution of the products under the name Folgers. Since P&G acquired Folgers, it has doubled its business, making it America's number one coffee brand. Folgers continues to produce superior quality coffee, using mountain-grown beans ripened to perfection. As Folgers celebrates its 153rd anniversary, P&G looks forward to the continued success of this high-quality coffee brand."

That lady said: "Susan will never parole as long as Folger makes coffee." Maybe they still remember Abigail Folger and promised to fight to prevent murderers from being free? I will look more.

[VLC]

13. And P&G is vile.

[treestar]

3. These individuals probably wouldn't commit murder again

They were very young at the time and under Charlie's influence to a great extent.

I don't see that that vindictiveness does any real good. There are other people out there more likely to kill somebody.

[tkmorris]

4. I agree

The Helter Skelter murders were horrendous to be sure, but that was a long time ago. What matters is now, and revenge is not a motive justice should consider. If any of them are ready to be paroled, they should be.

[Darth_Kitten]

11. The victims still have been dead, a long time...........

their lives were cut short not due to anything they did.

Yes, what matters IS now, they are STILL murderers and they still don't deserve parole.
Those murders were about as cold-blooded and vicious as could be.

[Bryn]

5. I do understand what you mean .... but..

I have been totally deaf since I was 3. I often wonder how you with hearing can be brained washed so easily. I have lived in California and had at attracted weirdos. One guy tried to brianeashed me with his silly goo goo with Charles Manson like that I'd giggle and make fun of him. He had followers but me and my deaf friends wouldn't. So I am wondering if it has something to do with your hearing that is easily brainwashed??? Just curious.

[SeattleGirl]

6. I don't think you can simplify it to that extent.

I am a hearing person, and won't pretend I have any idea of what it is like to be deaf or otherwise hearing-impaired. But I'm curious as to why you think hearing people would be more vulnerable to the likes of Charles Manson.

Is it BECAUSE we can hear?

While I could agree that that could have something to do with it, as words to have power, and the spoken word especially so, but I also believe that the people who would follow folks like Charles Manson have a vulnerability about them, such as feeling lost, lonely, disenfranchised, etc., would be susceptible to that kind of thing, be they hearing or not. More work would probably need to be done to "convert" a deaf person, but I don't think that population is completely immune to the wiles of the Charles Manson's of the world.

I'm not trying to flame you, believe me.

I would really like to know more of your thoughts about this.

[Bryn]

14. Sure!

I can't believe I spelled "brainwashed" worse than freepers. I had too much rum and coke last night so I got hangover this morning. I sure made a fool of myself there! LOL

Ok, how can I be hypnotized if I cannot hear a spoken word nor words in "evil" music? People like you seem to have a mind of their own and aren't easily brainwashed and can think for themselves even though you can hear which I admire greatly. My mother, sisters, brothers and the rest of relatives have gone to the other side. They savour every word a TV preacher says and believe them. They believe Bush is the "man of God". They believe the bible dropped off heaven by God. As for me, I pay close attention by reading and think for myself and think differently from the rest of my family and they all can hear.

Charles "Tex" Watson claimed that he was brainwashed by Charles Manson though his teaching and his music.

I am just wondering. I know you are not trying to flame me. :)

[skygazer]

16. Brainwashing is not the same as hypnotism

You're just making a sweeping generalization there without considering the deeper reasons people get sucked in by these people.

If it was as simple as that, every hearing person you know would be a zombie.

People are drawn to manipulators like Manson not because they can hear but because they're receptive to what is being said. As a deaf person, you still communicate - if you were emotionally vulnerable to the sort of blandishments put out by someone like Manson, you'd be just as liable to be sucked in. It's not the hearing - it's the need to belong.

[ghostsofgiants]

7. I'm thinking it has a little more to do with psychological factors than being able to hear.

People who can hear are just more able to have those psychological factors exploited.

[Darth_Kitten]

12. Yeah, I guess the 7-10 people (plus?) they did murder.....

was enough for any group of discontented, easily influenced kids. :sarcasm:

Sorry, but they had choices. They made the wrong one.

[Rabrrrrrr]

8. Sorry, even for a pissant amount of negligable social justice I won't drink crap.

[mitchum]

9. Folger's boyfriend Voytek Frykowski is the reason those people were killed...

it was a contract killing for a drug burn he was involved in

[YellowRubberDuckie]

10. Huh?

What?

[Bluzmann57]

15. You asked what people think

So I'll tell you. Manson and the rest of these freaks should NEVER EVER get out of prison. Period. I don't drink coffee so I don't care about brands.