John Connor is a self absorbed asshole who could have saved humanity if he had not interfered with

[ohiosmith]

the T-800's mission to kill Sarah. There I said it.

[krispos42]

1. Gearing up for "Terminator 4", are we?

:-)

[ohiosmith]

2. Am I wrong?

[Richard Steele]

3. Yes. nm

[ohiosmith]

4. What am I missing?

[Westegg]

5. One *possible* future. I don't know tech stuff.

[ohiosmith]

6. John ensured that future by sending Reese back to save and impregnate his mother.

[Richard Steele]

7. I thought John DID save humanity...

Eventually, in the future...didn't he?

[ohiosmith]

14. He saved what was left of humanity. Had he not intervened, the events that led to his future would

not have occurred including his inception and birth.

[Richard Steele]

15. Armies of killer robots can be defeated. DESTINY cannot. nm

[ohiosmith]

16. One must exist to have a destiny.

[Richard Steele]

17. Temporal Paradoxes don't follow rules of "cause and effect". They are a law unto themselves.

That's not John's fault.

[ohiosmith]

18. Good point. John's fault is that he did not test the timeline protection theory. He was guided by

his memory of past events. One option for him was to kill Reese rather than send him back.

[LSK]

19. see #3

[Richard Steele]

25. Nice! :)

[krispos42]

9. I am not sure.

If Kyle hadn't been sent back, the T-800 would have killed Sarah.

I assume your argument stems from the presumption that if the T-800 has successfully killed Sarah, it would have self-terminated, destroying its advanced technology so that it could not be reverse-engineered by some company like Cyberdyne. No technology, no Skynet. No Skynet, no nuclear war. No nuclear war, no need for John Conner to save humanity.

I'm sensing some impending paradox here, though, because the technology DID travel back in time. There seems to be some loop in the timeline that may not be able to be smoothed out.

There may be another loop in the timeline that was overshadowed by the T-800/Skynet loop. If at some point in the more distant future, say, 2035, Intel had developed by their own work the type of advanced chip found in the T-800, some person from the future may have sent that Intel technology back to the 1990s with the idea of making himself or a relative wealthy. Skynet is still developed as a result of a reverse-engeineered Intel chip and the war still happens, with the result that Skynet sents a T-800 with the evolution of the reverse-engineered Intel chip back to the 1990's.

Then the events as dictated in the "Terminator" series happen, with Skynet being developed from a chip reserve-engineered from a T-800, which was originally reverse-engineered from a Intel chip in a now-defunct timeline.

Am I making sense?

[ohiosmith]

12. Perfect sense.

[krispos42]

13. Oh, thank God...

I wasn't sure if I was explaining it clearly, and I have to go to work so and don't have time to re-write it!




I think maybe the Skynet-caused nuclear war may have happened anyway, just later in the future.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. I assume its programming after killing Sarah was to give itself up to Skynet. -nt

[Parche]

8. Did You Know

They took this scenario from the Outer Limits....





:hi:

[ohiosmith]

11. No. Really. One of my favorite TV shows.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. He could have also given California a better governor, but noooo...

Just sayin'.

[Westegg]

23. But this is how Jim Cameron created his OWN future...

Without Jim there'd be no "Terminator." Without "Terminator, there'd be no Gov. Arnold. Now: Extend the time-line out: President Arnold, drawing on ideas from "Terminator," goes on the create all the things the film warned about. The rest is chaos.

Ultimately, I blame Roger Corman.

[LSK]

20. why didnt the dumbass go back and stop the Manhattan project?

Why didnt the dumbass go back and stop Hitler?

Why didnt the dumbass go back and stop Napolean?

Why didnt the dumbass go back and stop the Romans from crucifying Jesus?

But no, he has to go back and save his mother.

Selfish prick.

[ohiosmith]

21. He didn't go back to save his mother, he sent a subordinate back to ensure his own existence.

Selfish prick indeed.

[LSK]

22. why couldnt the terminator have stopped Henry VIII from killing his wives?

What an A-Hole!!!

[ohiosmith]

24. You've gotta admit, a couple of them did have it coming.

Especially the first Anne.

[LSK]

26. yes, she was the Britney/Paris of her time...

[ohiosmith]

29. You know it. All over the tabloids of the time.

[Orrex]

28. The time displacement apparatus has an absolute range of 40 years

Canonical? Nope!

Does it close that particular loophole? Yup!

[Orrex]

27. Humanity would have been fine if Reese could've kept it in his pants

Or if Sarah hadn't been so quick to give it away.

They fucked the whole damn world, that's for sure!

[ohiosmith]

30. Damn straight.

[KG]

31. yeah, but wouldn't you go back in time for a chance to bone Linda Hamilton?

[ohiosmith]

32. No comment.

[KG]

33. hmmm...

i'm gonna have to take that as a 'yes'. :hi:

[krispos42]

35. Naw... not my type

That 80's look does nothing for me, and her buff T2 look didn't either.

Now, going back to, say, 1970 for Farrah Fawcett..

[QueenOfCalifornia]

36. Do not terminate me.

Arnold in my Governator.

He is right around the corner and he is looking for his HAND!

[DarkTirade]

37. I think Freud would have a few things to say about him too.

I mean, sending your friend, who only you know to be your own father, back in time to do the horizontal mambo with your mother? That's kinda weird.

[qdemn7]

38. The T3 Skynet "explanation" sucked

So Skynet was REALLY software infecting all the servers worldwide, right? No mainframe, no central CPU. EXCEPT when Skynet started the War, wouldn't it have destroyed itself with all those servers? I mean C'MON!