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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:08 PM
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Any Medical Students/Physicians/Oncologists Here?
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 06:22 PM by Mike03
Can you recommend your favorite text books on pathophysiology, especially the pathogenesis of cancer--how it happens, why it happens, risk factors, etc...? I'm particularly interested in cancers of the blood and bone marrow.

Will a very good textbook on pathophysiology discuss cancer, or is it necessary to buy textbooks specifically on cancer?

These are the books I've ordered:

Robbins and Cotran's Pathologic Basis of Disease. (And the pocket edition and study guide)

Principles of Anatomy and Physiology, by Tortora and Grabowski

I also ordered an Atlas of the Human Body, but I can't recall the artist.

It's important to me that the books be very current and up-to-date.

I know this is an odd question, but thanks in advance if anyone has an answer!
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:12 PM
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1. Robbins is the standard med school path book
and there's plenty on cancer in there. If you really want to cover your bases, you'd probably want to bone up on medical level biochemistry and genetics. You might also look into one of the study guides for oncology shelf exams (not planning on doing that myself, so I don't have any recommendations.)
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:26 PM
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2. Your suggestions are much appreciated.
Thanks.

That was my main question, whether or not cancer is a topic in general pathophysiology.

I took a DVD course in this and the blood/bone marrow cancers were not dealt with in any depth. But when I searched for texts on this topic, they were very short and roughly $200 apiece. I don't mind spending money on a textbook, but I want something very in depth if I'm going to blow two hundred bucks--lol
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:30 PM
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3. Medical textbooks are extraordinarily expensive
Amazon usually has some decent deals on used copies, at least. Especially since the publishers like to put out new editions each year.

For biochem, the gold standard text is Stryer, though a cheaper alternative might be the Lipincott Review of Biochemistry by Denise Ferrier.

Can't say I've ever really loved a genetics text. The one we used was called Genetics in Medicine and was written by a guy named Thompson.

Just as a note, pathology is going to be quite difficult to understand without a background in microanatomy/histology.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:44 PM
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5. I expect it won't be easy
My experience has been that reading medical texts has been a lot easier than reading physics texts.

Besides, I really want to know about this topic. I am very, very motivated, and the mainstream books bore the hell out of me. I really want to understand the human body on a cellular basis. My goal is really to defeat my terror of disease by understanding it as best as I can. That is just how I tend to deal with things.

Besides, I love a good challenge, and textbooks have always really been my preference to popular books, at least so far as law, physics, science and technical topics goes.
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 07:04 PM
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9. Heh...a lot less calculus
the trick with medical school is that you're usually taking about 15 courses at once and have to have nearly inhuman amounts of material memorized for the exams.

Anyway, good luck with all that.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 07:22 PM
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10. No, I don't envy medical students at all.
It sounds viciously hard. In a lecture I was watching on this Teaching Company course, the professor said that med students spend an entire semester just on the hematological aspects of the lungs.

It must be incredibly difficult to survive med school and all the training that comes afterwards.

I remember how grateful I was, just out of college, to find a remarkable doctor to help me with stomach problems.

It's really sad to me that doctors are losing their passion for the profession because of the meddling of the insurance industry or the ingratitude of patients. But that's another topic.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:35 PM
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4. Google has lot of stuff
I just typed in pathogenesis of leukemia. I've been doing lots of research on this subject since my 4 year old granddaughter was diagnosed .



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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:49 PM
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7. Yes, Google has been very, very helpful
and so have many of the medical abstracts and papers on Google.

It is a tremendous resource. But it is also confusing because there are differing opinions on almost every aspect of the new findings.

I try to keep track of all of the new papers, but just as a very basic elemental understanding of what I am reading I need to educate myself about the very preliminary aspects of the immune system, the white blood cells, the bone marrow, why plasma cells turn cancerous, etc... and to understand all of the various terms and abbreviations.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:56 PM
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8. Yes a knowledge of immunology is a definite help
However trying to find definitive answers in medicine can be a lesson in futility. It takes an average of ten years for new advances in medicine to become known and accepted.
Good luck
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:15 PM
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11. Thank you
I understand, and I know you are right. I was listening to the XM doctors channel today and they were discussing some findings that I'd heard about years and years ago related to caloric restriction.

You are right about the lag time. It's probably futile to try to nail down which new findings are good and scientific versus those that are speculative at this point.

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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:55 PM
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12. Immunology primer
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 08:58 PM by Avabea
Some Good Info here
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 06:45 PM
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6. Besides, I need to be able to explain to my family what
technically is going wrong in this family member's body.
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