I just told my daughter I had premarital sex. Ugh.

[crim son]

She's sixteen and naively trying to seduce a college freshman. In so many ways she's a confident young woman who understands how things work, but with boys/men, she's still a baby. She appeared wearing an outfit that would be demure if it weren't for the fact that she'd unzipped the sweatshirt to reveal a corset-like undergarment that pushed her boobs up to her chin. Jeebus. I tried to explain about breasts and boys, and how even "nice" boys get loopy around breasts and women who proffer them... she wasn't buying. "He's a nice guy!" So I told her about the born-again Christian who made love to me while quoting the bible and telling me the Lord loved us both. Turns out this fellow was also fucking my younger sister and managed to give her chlamydia. Nice, Christian boy who had me wanting to bake cookies for him.

Anyway I told her and it made an impression. Now I'm thinking, did I have to do that? Probably not. But I did. *sigh*

[Oeditpus Rex]

1. Don't be so sure she 'wasn't buying'

Kids rarely let us know their lessons are learned right away, and in many cases they aren't — it takes time to process them, and for the kids to apply them to real life. This ain't the Brady Bunch.

I think ya done good. And "proffer" is an excellent verb. :thumbsup:

[crim son]

3. You make a good point.

This girl, however, who is a national honor society member, has over a four-point average, has had a job for two years, is beautiful and I mean beautiful, who acts and writes for the school newspaper, and who has been known to make anti-war speeches in front of the federal building... this girl has called me in a panic in the middle of the night because she has realized she's slept in her younger brother's sleeping bag and could she be pregnant? It's bizarre. But you make me feel better and I thank you, Oedipus Rex.

[Pierre.Suave]

2. gosh, I sure dont know...

I have no idea how to have that conversation with kids.

Does she understand why it might not be a good idea to get involved with an older boy at such a young age?

[crim son]

6. There's another fellow who has paid her some attention;

he's 24 and she seems to understand that that's too old. Kira's sixteen and today's man is nineteen, and she thinks that's fine. So far he has been just a friend and I hope that is his only intent because I will have to intervene if anything else happens. He's a very *ahem* good-looking fellow and it's hard for me to believe he isn't getting laid in college. Kira doesn't need that.

[Pierre.Suave]

8. Nah

take it from me.

There is only one purpose that guy has in mind.

And tell that 19 year old to go back to college, if he cant get laid there, he is a loser.

[crim son]

10. But.... he has both his nipples pierced!

How could he possibly be a loser? :P

Kidding. I do not judge a man or a woman for that matter by their nipple piercings.

Hey, why the hell am I talking about this? How was your... New Year?

[Pierre.Suave]

14. My New Year celebration was awesome...

Did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7299770

[crim son]

20. NO I DIDN'T!!!

Congratulations, jasonc! I'm so, so, so happy for you. She got a good one, that's for sure. :hug: :bounce: :hug: :bounce:

Ahhh, Love. When it's right, it's magnificent. Again, congratulations. Woohoo!

[Pierre.Suave]

33. Thank you

I appreciate it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

34. *ahem*? Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson ..

good-looking fellow?
hard to believe he's not getting laid?
:rofl:

(Nothing to see here, Kira. Move along.)
:hi:

[crim son]

36. Okay, this guy is hot as hell.

She likes what I like. I'm getting used to her bringing home gorgeous guys, though. :P I can handle myself. :rofl:

[Whoa_Nelly]

4. Just the picture you conveyed to her will probably keep her from giving it up to

that "nice boy". You gave her a mental picture she will carry around for a while...

O my!

[crim son]

7. I know. I picked one of the more gruesome stories

from my sordid past. There are many, many others should the need arise but I hope it doesn't. :hi: :loveya:

[JVS]

5. I got to talk to that Born-again dude! He's got mad game!

[crim son]

9. Heh. My sister and I were both in awe of him.

We figured it out one night when he had us both on the line and kept flicking back and forth. Suddenly I was talking to Andrea. I shit you not.

[NewJeffCT]

11. I can vouch for the loopiness!

especially since cleavage has been in style the last several years. I'd never have gotten through high school if cleavage was in style in the early to mid 80s.

good story on the nice Christian boy, too. Us nice guys are sometimes the ones you have to watch out for - though, I'd probably have been too shy to come on to a "girl" when I was an 18-19 year old college freshman (or a woman, for that matter) even if her boobs were proffered up like that.

(If you ever saw the movie "Superbad" - I was that skinny lead guy with the drunk girl in bed with him...)

[crim son]

12. You have me laughing. I know the stereotypes are bad and they work both ways!

But she needs to know.

The nice guys are the best, though. The real nice guys I mean.

[NewJeffCT]

25. it's not really a stereotype

...to say that boys get loopy over a girl’s boobs. At that age, guys get loopy over just about anything related to girls - if she wore snug white pants with a dark colored thong underneath, boys would get loopy. Or certain types of clothing.

I am probably lucky that I was so shy for years, though, and that women did not really pursue men back then despite my growing up in the era of “Women’s Lib” and all that. If a girl in a push-up bra came up to me when I was 18 or 19 years old, she’d probably have me wrapped around her finger in no-time flat. I mean, when it did happen to me when I was 22 and the proffering young woman cried that she was short on rent money, you can imagine what happened.

Oddly, that woman called me a few years later – out of the blue - and apologized for taking advantage of me and gave me the money back.

[crim son]

28. Seriously?

That was decent of her.

The whole boob thing is a mystery to me, being somewhat boobless. But I know it's out there and I'm ready to defend my daughter!

You're still making me laugh.

[NewJeffCT]

47. yes, seriously

I had been lusting after her for a while, but when she was drunk and flashing me, I did not take advantage of her drunken-ness. So, he knew I liked her and knew she could probably get her way with me. She did not have a big chest, either. she was actually very liberal, but also immature at the time and had some issues with her parents. So, they cut off her funding temporarily and she turned to me to help her with the rent while she tried to resolve the issue with her folks.

My wife doesn't really understand America's boob obsession, either. Of course, she's from China and women there are typically smaller than women here and their culture does not place nearly as much emphasis on breasts. Women in China that get plastic surgery to enhance their looks are more likely to get surgery that makes their eyes look bigger or to make their skin look whiter/paler. Even if you go back to Chinese literature 2,000 years, you'll find that beautiful women of those books were tall, had big eyes and fair skin.

My ex-wife was just the opposite, though.

[Oeditpus Rex]

44. Hell, at that age

guys get loopy over fire hydrants.

[NewJeffCT]

48. True

any sort of a stiff breeze could set one off.

[SallyMander]

13. Good for you

I think it's so important to be honest with kids about this stuff... even if it is uncomfortable and awkward!!!

Rather than just lecturing her, you shared that you've been in the same spot and made mistakes -- and that's going to stick with her SO much more than just a "because i said so" type rant.


:yourock:


:hug:

[crim son]

22. I hope you're right!

I've never been a "because I say so" kind of mother and sometimes I regret it! Well, she's out the door with the guy. Help!

[LynneSin]

15. How do you think she'd react if you had lied to her

I would rather the parent be open and honest and especially talk about birth control.

[crim son]

23. Yep, we've had that talk as recently as two days ago.

She thinks you can get pregnant from touching a man's underwear. :eyes: She's a strange girl.

[MissMillie]

55. you mean... you can't?

I thought sure that's how it happened.....


:silly:

[IronLionZion]

16. You did good.

That will probably get her thinking and maybe asking herself the right questions. There's nothing wrong with pre-marital sex, but it's good to gently encourage her to keep it in her pants until she's older and more aware of her options and consequences (emotional, not just physical).

as for the older guy thing, come on you should know that high school guys are immature jackasses. That's why high school girls express interest in guys like me (24). The college guy probably acts all sophisticated and uses big words or whatever. FWIW, I turn down anyone under 21 as a matter of principle. My current girlfriend got raped in high school by her boyfriend who was in college because she didn't have sex education in school and didn't know what sex was. Her mom never told her so her boyfriend took advantage of the situation. Good for you for telling your daughter.

I don't have any advice for you but I wish you well. I hope your girl makes the right decisions. You probably did make an impression even if she never lets you know.

[crim son]

24. You may not have advice but you are making me think.

She is also interested in a twenty-four-year-old! but he has the same good sense you have.

[IronLionZion]

45. Another thing to think about is that some high school girls want to have sex

entirely of their own accord and many even try to initiate it. A few high school girls made it very obvious to me what they want and they got a lecture from me. One told me she wanted her first time to be with someone who was not a virgin (ie. older) so that it would be good. It would be naive to think it's just the guy wanting to take advantage of your daughter. She might be the one wanting it. Smart girls like sex too. Nice girls like sex too. Just some more things to think about.

[crim son]

59. I know that very well but it is good to be reminded.

My daughter is a fine actress. However if you read the thread through (and I'm not suggesting you do) you'll see where I wrote a bit about her paranoias and issues. I don't think I'm being a naive mother when I say that she isn't looking for sex right now. Next month, maybe! :P

Thanks. :hi:

[plcdude]

17. You did great

building trusting relationships involves risking yourself. I think everything will be fine. I would, however, begin discussing really effective birth control options to her.

[crim son]

26. Yes.

We did that two days ago and she is still denying that she will ever find herself in a position where she'll need it. Hmmmmm. I've let her know that I'm here if she changes her mind.

[DarkTirade]

18. Truth is always the best way to go in situations like that.

She's reached the age where she can reason things out on her own, even if she doesn't have the life experience that you have. So sharing truthful bits of your life experience can help her figure things out better on her own. :)

[crim son]

31. That's what I hope.

There would be no other reason for me to share something like that, otherwise.

Life: it's a RIDE!

[Deja Q]

19. Holy shit.

In my humble opinion of course, personal experiences allow one to empathize more than a person just saying things. I believe you did the right thing.

Sorry about that cretinous jerk of a boyfriend you had. I'd recommend your sis try to sue him for compensation for the cost of the medication to cure that chlamydia she'd gotten.

:pals: :hug:

(Though if I were to wallow in crass humor, the only words people should say while making love are "Oh God!". :yoiks: )

[Pierre.Suave]

29. What about

"Oh hell Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

and, "OH YES!!!!!!"

and dont forget, "OH FUCK YES GOD DONT STOP FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK"

:rofl:

[Deja Q]

37. Well,

It's easier to find "Oh God" in a Biblical scripture than "Oh hell Yeahhhhhhhhhhh"...

:spray:

Plus, the only section of the Bible I know of that gets into porno territory is Ezekiel 23:20 (links to an unbiased, multi-referential source) and even then it's boring... plus, I never found "OH FUCK YES" in that chapter either... :rofl:

[Pierre.Suave]

41. LOL

well, I was not aware we were looking for biblical sayings...

Edit: holy crap, I just clicked your link and this is what I found:

"GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose semen was like that of horses."

:rofl:

[crim son]

35. The cretinous jerk was only one of many.

I did my share of evil too, however.

Hi, Hypno! :hi: :hug: :loveya: :pals: I hope I did right.

[wain]

21. Stick with it Mom. You are so right.

Persist.

Some of the high school girls I see today don't seem to really understand that exhibited bosoms are like a red flag to a bull with the raging hormones of youth. Then again, it's really tough trying to keep up with peer pressure of her girlfriends.

You sound like your daughter is lucky to have such a good, caring Mom.

[Deja Q]

27. Seconded.

:thumbsup:

[crim son]

38. Oh, thank you.

She thinks I'm a nutcase for being so up front. Ah well. :D

[Gonzo Gardener]

30. Motherly advice...

You did fine! :hug:

At age 13 I distinctly remember my mother telling me, "If you love a person it is ok to have sex with them"

Now, THAT is BAD ADVICE!!!

[crim son]

39. I'm sure she meant well!

It's funny how mothers' advice has had to change over the decades, isn't it? :rofl:

[Gonzo Gardener]

52. I had no premarital comprehension of the phrase "guilty pleasure"

:evilgrin:

It is important for a teen girl to have an open and ongoing conversation with an adult they can trust. Keep it up... you're doing great!

[MissMillie]

49. "if you love me....."

that overused line by guys.

I always countered with.... "If you really love me, you won't give me that kind of an ultimatum."

[Gonzo Gardener]

56. Good line, MissMillie!

Problem was... I was just as horny as the boys. Thankfully, Mom emphasized how important it was to use birth control.

[Beer Snob-50]

89. but if you really loved me..

you would have sex with me because if not, all that semen will clog up and i will get very ill.

beside, did you know that having a man inject you with semen will make your hair fuller and more beautiful.

[lost-in-nj]

32. You did the right thing

You were honest and she knows she can be honest and talk to you to.....
I did this with my daughter and we talk about everything....
even though she is 24....

good mom!!!

lost

[crim son]

40. Thank you, lost!

We do have a very open relationship. Sex and drugs are the two areas where I haven't been completely forthcoming and I don't think I will have to, with the drugs, so I won't. She says I'm her best friend which is sweet since I am also a demanding, evil Mom.

[LeftyMom]

42. Did she think you hadn't?

It never occurred to me that my mother might have waited until she got married to have sex. I'd have worried a bit about her if it had.

Are y'all especially religious or something?

[crim son]

43. No, not even a bit religious. Spiritual/agnostic.

But her father and I always avoided the issue and I think she somehow believed we were the exception to the rule. Funny, I still believe my mother was a virgin when she married but why the hell would I believe that. THANKS, LeftyMom, for putting me into filial crisis. :P

[LeftyMom]

46. I guess it's not that surprising, we live in a rather anti-sex culture

so it's not that surprising that we might want to assume that those we think well of are somehow beyond their sexual impulses.

[MissMillie]

50. lol...

my mom was married in Sept of '50 and my brother born in Feb of '51.... yep I did the math.


The coolest thing for my folks though is that though my mom was 16 when she wed, she had been w/ my dad for 4 years.


They're still together, and happy, and in love.


Sure wish I had met my soulmate at 12....

[Left Is Write]

61. My parents were married at age 20 in 1959. I'm pretty sure they waited.

Now, my 20-year-old daughter would have to be especially dense to think I had never done the deed prior to marriage. :D

[crim son]

79. See, I've wondered about that. I'm a "hip" mom, I guess, without

trying, because I believe it's my place to be a parent and not a best friend. Nevertheless I've been guarded when it comes to portions of my past. For all I know, Kira has figured me out despite my posturing.

Left Is Write... you weren't a virgin when you were married? :P

[Left Is Write]

88. I should elaborate.

The reason my 20-year-old daughter would have to be incredibly dense (she isn't) to think that I was virginal on my wedding day is that she was born ten YEARS before I got married. :D

[MissMillie]

51. I think you did great

Nice guys don't need to see boobies pushed up the chin in order to be interested....

they're interested in what goes on above the nose.

[crim son]

76. I believe that's true. Thing is, the nicest of guys are impelled

by nature to act against their "decent" impulses, I think. Not that sex is indecent, but it isn't always right.

She came home safe and sound, thank the deity.

[marzipanni]

53. Oops, reading too fast... thought you wrote porn-again Christian

(lol- because I had just finished watching Gilbert Gottfried on GoPsUx's thread about the Aristocrats?)

Tell your daughter men used to get excited by women's ankles, when fashion dictated wearing long dresses which covered them up almost as much as middle Eastern women's burkas!

[crim son]

77. Dammit, it's true.

I've been looking at craiglist's m4m, with a perverse fascination. I hope I imply no judgement when I say, wow, it's all about the pics, ain't it. IOW, men are intensely affected by the visual, by the physical. This is what I want my dearest child to understand. Not that men are evil, but that they are somewhat different from females. Sometimes, I mean.

[Reverend_Smitty]

54. Honesty is the best policy however uncomfortable it may seem

With the state of education these days, she may never get the information that she needs to make informed decisions about sex from school. You did well, nothing wrong with a little horror story to get her thinking. My mother was quite open about her past always adding "don't do these things unless you want to end up married and pregnant by the time you are 19"...I didn't do those things so I didn't end up married and pregnant...lol

Your daughter sounds like a smart young woman she just needs all the information at her disposal to make an informed decision

[hoozyorsugadaddy]

57. quoting the Bible does have its uses afterall.

[crim son]

60. Oh yes, to girls like me who wanted so badly to believe that there was

a god who not only loved me, but sanctioned premarital intercourse! (I was raised a Catholic... 'nuff said.)

[RainDog]

58. Parents have to discuss at least part of their past

Either with the truth or a lie. I chose the truth, but my truth is much more boring than yours since I was in college for my big moment and all I got out of it was some experience. (I thought I was the only virgin in my dorm, but all virgins in a college dorm probably think that... girls can talk big too.)

With my sons, it came out of normal conversation about sexual responsibility and the consequences of pretending like you don't have sex when you do especially when you're not old enough to deal with possible issues such as pregnancy and no job and all that. As in, I told my sons they have to take responsibility too, and told them to make sure they had cast iron condoms. okay, j/k about the cast iron.

they're now old enough that they are going to keep aspects of their lives to themselves, and that's okay. good in fact because I really don't want the fine details...

I think it must be so hard to deal with teenage girl issues. All the tv images of girls gone wild and boob jobs and girls who are supposed to be hot because they're jailbait. Hey, Jaime Spears is a great role model, tell you daughter...

It's hard to find the line between making your kid sensible and scare stories. I don't think yours was a scare story. Maybe she would benefit by knowing that, at that age, her IQ would seem to descend 10 points for every inch that unzipped jacket reveals? also, if a female is smart, which your daughter obviously is, it's hard sometimes because guys also operate with stereotypes, whether they like it or not, and it's tempting to overcompensate for being put into the "brain" category and not want to show some bust.

good luck to you. it's not easy being a parent. single parenting is much harder, imo.

[SarahB]

62. My daughter turns 16 next month.

Her boyfriend is a senior. She's a sophomore. She does NOT know I lost my virginity at 15. Why? She has asked. I said, "I will talk about it when your 19 or 20. I want you to make you own choices based upon what's right for YOU, not because of my choices." (She thinks I lost it at 16.) The thing with my daughter is she just never settles and really commands respect (and most importantly, has her own life and interests). I know realistically she'll probably have sex in the next couple of years, but she has a good frame of knowledge, knows she both deserves respect and pleasure herself and when she's ready, THAT'S when it should happen. Nice boys and nice girls get horny. Nature works that way.

[crim son]

65. I understand your point, yet I wonder about classifying sex as

only pleasuring oneself, especially at that age. My perspective may be warped by... my perspective? because although I have never been a prude, neither have I ever enjoyed beyond the moment, a one-night stand (and I've had more than one or two) or intercourse with somebody who doesn't seriously care. If I thought she was in love with this fellow I would have a different attitude but at present she views him as a challenge and that is a very, very familiar attitude. So her childishness in this respect, and in others, has me concerned.

[SarahB]

70. I'm not sure if you understood what I meant.

I only have one daughter, so I know her. She's a very serious type who makes good choices, but is also pretty much a dude magnet for several years and has had the same boyfriend for several months now. Of course I would hope some feelings are involved when she decides to become sexually active- knowing her and her no bullshit attitude with boys, I'm pretty sure that's how it will be. For me, 99.99% of the sex in my life has been within the context of long-term committed relationships myself. I guess what I'm trying to say (or say to her as I handed her the copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves) is that too many young men especially look at sex from a narrow-minded perspective based upon both the media and mainstream porn.

Any man over 30 will tell you he was a lousy lover at 17 or 18. I guess I just want her to understand her own body first from an empowered, female centered perspective so that in those initial experiences, she can be comfortable to at least begin to assert her own needs too. Truly loving experiences can be beautiful and I believe that a lifetime of healthy sexual relationships mean being able to talk openly with your partner and understanding yourself as a woman first. "Wham bam thank you mam" experiences make girls feel used, even if she does care for the boy and he cares for her.

I don't think it's "bad" per say for your daughter to understand there's lecherous creeps in the world. In fact, it's probably pretty necessary. I'm just trying to insert my feminist mom gyn nurse sex positive lecture too! :D

[crim son]

74. I didn't understand what you meant but now I do.

Admittedly, I hadn't thought about my daughter in that way, possibly because I have rarely thought of myself, and my sexuality, in that way.

SarahBelle, you are an inspiration, and it's not the first time. Thank you. -Lisa

[Starbucks Anarchist]

63. This thread is worthless without pics.

:hide:

[crim son]

66. Oh Lord, SA.

Note to self: do not post pics of lovely daughter.

You do remind me that aging SUCKS but parenting almost makes up for it. Almost, dear young lad.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

87. Actually, I meant pics of you.

:evilgrin:

[SPKrazy]

64. that's a good thing

but i'm glad it was you and not me

my day will come

[crim son]

67. It will. I have two sons, one fourteen and really goddamn pretty,

in a buff, masculine way. I've raised him to be a "nice guy" but that means nothing when hormones kick in. Of course, the MattMan... oh, I can't think of it. Hopefully he's not like Henry, gyrating and talking about women's chests at eight years old. THAT fellow is going to cause me trouble, I can already tell.

[SPKrazy]

68. well...

he gets around one friend of his and they get to carrying on, but i don't think he gets it...

one funny thing... he said the word "sex" in an unrelated context and his mother told me that she said "well what's the big deal about that?" and he said "I don't know, but it has nothing to do with people rolling around naked in a bathtub" :spray: :wtf:

:rofl:

so yeah

i dunno what that will be like

[crim son]

69. OMG.

Henry defines sex as "cuddling in bed, naked except for socks." But he's obsessed with "goils" and breasts and pelvic thrusts and all that shit that makes him look like a freaky little eight-year-old. He also likes paper planes, so maybe there's hope. :rofl:

[SPKrazy]

71. paper planes...

yes that is the new crack, well before the Wii came into being today...

ahh, i remember being 8 and learning the periphery of what sex might be and yet having no idea what it was either.

:rofl:

[crim son]

73. I was never a boy. I've heard tales from various men

about the sudden discovery of sex and all its wonders. My older son... but I won't get into that. Suffice it to say that at 44, it's still a mystery and if I can help guide my kids it will be a miracle.

I'm concerned. Do you now know what sex is? :rofl:

[Connonym]

72. I found out today that a good friend's 15 year old step-daughter has been having an online affair

with a 30 year old man who has traveled from Florida to WI to visit her. I'm totally freaked out. This is a good kid, honors at school and all that. Makes me really scared for my 14 year old daughter and who she's talking to online. You go over this stuff again and again with them but at that age they're so sure that they are sophisticated and know everything. It's hard (and embarrassing) to admit to our kids the mistakes that we've made and I'm not entirely convinced that we can ever really make them understand no matter what we tell them. Perhaps they just have to live through it to learn. That seems harsh though. I wish we could put big plastic bubbles around them and protect them from everything. I think back to when she was a baby and I used to go into the nursery to listen to make sure she was breathing when she sleeps. The nature of the fear changes as they grow older but I don't think the fear ever goes away, does it?

[crim son]

75. No, I don't think so.

I have this perhaps delusional notion that because I've been through a lot, and am more willing/able to commicate that experience than my own mother was, that I can help my daughter avoid some of the more painful mistakes. Yet if I'm honest, the most devastating events in my life could not have been avoided, no matter what advice I'd been given.

It's hard, fiercely hard and it doesn't seem to get a lot easier.

I did the same thing, checking my children's breathing and I still do it sometimes with my youngest, an eight year old boy. There are so many emotions tied up in the gesture that I can't begin to list them. Perhaps you understand.

[Inchworm]

78. whatever I hugs you

15-16 is a miricle time. Surely shes smart enough not to fall for tricks.

Dont put you on her..

I'm prolly wrong and stufs but kid time only happens once.

:hi:

[crim son]

80. She is vastly braver and more sensible than I am.

I should not put myself on her. :hi:

[krispos42]

81. All men look at boobs

We can't help noticing. We have a radar on, and cleavage triggers an alert in our brains.

The closest analogy I can thing of is when you're driving on the highway in light traffic. You're just cruising along, radio on, making good time, not thinking particularly hard about anything, when all of a sudden your attention snaps to the car a couple of hundred yards ahead of you and you realize that it as slowed down quite a bit and you had better slow down, too.

That moment of your subconcious grabbing your concious and turning it towards a problem is how men are aware of cleavage. If, say, a woman bends down for some reason and the shirt collar pulls away to reveal the cleavage and maybe some bra, that movement will immediately trigger an alert in every man that has her in their peripheral vision. Even if they do nothing, they are aware of the sudden appearance of the cleavage.

Now, we mostly don't act all stupid and drooling about it, but we are aware of it and enjoy it. Married men learn to do with while only moving their eyeballs in their sockets. The tendons creaking in the neck draw unwanted spousal attention... :evilgrin:

Comedian Dave Attell says this of cleavage "Men love cleavage. It calms them and soothes them. It's like pepper spray only without all the rolling on the floor and screaming". (I paraphrase)

[Tyler Durden]

82. I don't...

Some of us guys do not have the "Great American Breast Fixation."

Sign me up as a supporter of the "Itty Bitty Titty Committee," which is really weird as D sports about a 38 D.

I confuse her A LOT.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

83. May I just pause to revel in the fact that it was a Christian boy?

I'm assuming born-again as well, for who else quotes the Bible in the middle of sex?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Stupid hypocritical fucker. Literally.

:rofl:

Okay, done with the reveling. Of course what he did to you, particularly your sister, is not funny, just incredibly stupid, on behalf of all involved. I think it's a good and necessary lesson for your daughter, but I'm sure it was no fun to recount/remember, even embarrassing. :hug:

I would warn you that your daughter might also try to use it against you later, in a fit of lust-induced contrariness. When I cottoned on that my mother had never "saved" herself for marriage as she was always urging me to do, I was annoyed and sort of pulled the good-old "Why should I do as you say and not as you do??????" card, and I didn't even have my eyes set on getting with anyone at all; I just hated the perceived hypocrisy. It can make it more difficult for your daughter to listen to you, but there's not much that can be done about it.

And then of course we just might all be going crazy in 2+ feet of snow. :D x(

:hi:

[GalleryGod]

84. Good Thread, Lisa !

Ever go to a movie and see your life as a 22 year old on the screen?

[regnaD kciN]

85. You didn't save yourself for your wedding night...?????

You slut!!! :rofl:

(I'm just hoping my youngest doesn't ever ask me about my student days...)

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86. she's 16 and still a virgin?

:wow:

and why wouldn't you tell her? too bad you couldn't share a more positive experience with her though

I'm sorry :hug: