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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:56 PM
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Java sucks.
People said it was slow when it first came out over a decade ago.

People said it'd improve when CPUs got faster.

On a 3GHz quad-core PC, it's still constipation slow.

grr.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:57 PM
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1. I rather like it.
But you're right, I wouldn't write something in it that required blistering performance. I'd use C for that.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:59 PM
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2. I'd use assembly, but when hearing that, most people would think "More jobs offshored"
:(
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:16 PM
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3. You're not wrong.
Java has always been a rather slow language. Not the best choice for web stuff either, IMO. But it got used that way at first, and now we're stuck with it.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:18 PM
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4. So what are you running that's so slow?
Your own code, or some out of the box thingie?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:34 PM
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6. Out of box thingies
:D

I'm not a programmer and for plenty of valid reasons, I shall never become one.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:24 PM
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5. It's made to run on every machine "compile once run everywhere", therefore it's slow
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 07:31 PM by CGowen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Virtual_Machine


I never really learned C++ properly, because Java is so easy, but others like Microsoft's C# and think it's easy too.


No matter how fast your machine is, if the code is junk or the problem complex, it's slow.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:36 PM
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8. I understand the mindset behind the creation of Java,
It's still crap; if Sun can't be bothered to make it more efficient - or at least make decent microkernels for ___ platform... Or do I mean exokernel? Oh well. It's sunday night...

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:44 PM
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11. "Write Once, Debug Everywhere"
You'r right about junk code. With processors getting faster and memory getting cheaper, it's easier for programmers to write bloated, crappy code. Just look at MS Office.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:36 PM
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7. People who said that ...

... bit about improving once CPUs got faster should have been taken out and shot.

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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:41 PM
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9. /agree
i wrote several java apps and one fairly large application with it. Java was/is a great concept, but the performance is crap. I found most of the java IDE's to be crap as well.

Although I am not thrilled with M$, i must say I really do like programming with C#. It is my fav language now. I love Visual Studio 2005.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:42 PM
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10. I fucking hate Java
My main system at work is 90% Java. It's slow, constipated, difficult to update and maintain, and costs a fortune.

Any decently coded C++ app is a portable as Java, and it's faster since it compiles to machine code (none of that "virtual machine" bullshit).

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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:01 PM
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12. We used to joke, that we needed a coffee so we could wait for java to finish n/t
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:21 PM
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13. Are You On A Windows Machine?
Because that too may be the problem.
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:27 PM
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14. That's why NoScript is my friend.
http://noscript.net/

Block that shit before it slows you down. :evilgrin:
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