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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:26 PM
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This was depressing: My sister and I visited our Aunt Joan today (she has Alzheimer's), and
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 09:42 PM by Redstone
had to be put in the Home up in New Hampshire a few months ago. Now, understand that this is a very good "Home;" our grandfather spent his last two years there, although he lived there because of physical problems, not dementia.

When we left, I had to stop at the central staff station and tell them that I considered all of them to be saints, because of what I saw there.

It was heartbreaking. Aunt Joan looked exactly like she's looked for the last ten years. A bit frail, but dressed normally, clean, hair cut as always, and brushed. And she TALKED like she always had; that was the hard part. But where before she was a fountain of family history and town news, what she said today was was clear in speech but garbled in content. She'd recognize my sister or me, or understand who we were talking about when we referred to her own children, for about two seconds, then she'd lose track of the people we were talking about, and even her own identity.

And there were even more heartbreaking aspects of the visit, but I simply cannot go into them right now.

Current wisdom says that the best ways to stave off Alzheimer's are to stay active both physically and mentally. But at least in Aunt Joan's case, that isn't the case. For the physical side, she NEVER stopped moving; I don't think, for example, that there was one day in fifty years that she wasn't remodeling something or other in her house, or being involved in the running of the town where she lived. For the mental side, she was always the "go-to" when you wanted to know anything about our family history, or local town happenings or history.

Alzheimer's is SO cruel. Aunt Joan sat on the side of her bed, between me and my sister. My sister hugged her, then I did, then she sat with my arm around her, laid her hand on my knee and her head on my shoulder, and she wept. That, I think, is the ultimate cruelty of Alzheimer's; I believe that in some core of her brain, my beloved Aunt Joan knew, although she could not articulate that thought, that she KNEW that there was just something that wasn't right about being where she was, rather than being at home with her husband and in contact with her kids. And may I say for the record how much I admire my Uncle Don (who had been kind of a Good-Time-Charlie) for stepping up to the plate and taking care of Aunt Joan when she really needed him to do so. It was a hard, hard, decision for him to make, to send her to live at the Home. But a decision that HAD to be made.

Again, Alzheimer's is SO cruel, and if you've never seen what it can do, you can't understand. I did not understand myself until today. While we were walking to my car afterward, I told my sister, "You're the oldest one, so you get to have the responsibility. I know Mrs R won't do it, so I'm putting my trust in you, if I ever get to that point, to give me the overdose of heroin that I plan to arrange, or if I didn't manage to arrange that, to just put the damn pillow on my face and hold it there."

I've told my older son the same thing, and I hope that if it comes to that, that one or the other of them will have the courage to give me that mercy.

Thank you all for reading this. It's been a hard day for me; that visit followed by the 230-mile drive home. I'm weary.

Redstone
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:51 PM
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2. Redstone...
~:hug:~

how well, I understand.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:58 PM
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4. Been there, have you? It seems you have. Thank you for saying so, and for
your kind words.

I am utterly exhausted right now, and must be off to bed, and what I expect will be fairly bizarre dreams, given the amount of information I've had to process this day.

But it's back to work tomorrow, and that process will be made somewhat easier for my having read your reply to my post.

It's appreciated indeed.

Redstone
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:05 PM
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5. I'm so sorry
Although not as severe, my grandfather has dementia and the last time I saw him he didn't recognize me. He only figured it out after he saw pictures of me with him and my grandmother (who died in 1995). He was showing me the pictures so I could see her since I never met her (or so he thought). I was just kind of numb on the way home. He had spent the day with my son earlier in the week and knew him on the spot.

He's still able to be at home and take care of him self (with help). He's lucky so far.

:hug: to you, wish there was more I could do.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:31 PM
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11. Thank you so much for your reply. I really do appreciate it.
Redstone
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:17 PM
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6. I think it must be harder than other illnesses
for family to deal with. Years ago I had a roommate whose mother developed early Alzheimers- she was still in her early 50s. Well, she barely recognized her own daughter, who was 24. Her husband had to spend all the time he wasn't at work caring for her- and she was already becoming incontinent. It was a huge drain on everyone, but particularly on my roommate. She still had a mother, but she wasn't "there" to talk to any more.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:23 PM
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7. I understand. My mom has early AD, kept under
pretty good control with Aricept (I'm not a huge fan of big pharma, but damn they did a good job with Aricept) but before she was prescribed the drug, she was bewildered and bewildering. As you said, the hardest part is watching your loved one realizing that they're losing it. Of course, what you or I feel can't compare with the fear and anger the person suffering from AD has as they know they're slipping away...

:hug: Sounds like a hard day. Good of you to go see her.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:25 PM
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8. I didn't read this thread before because I was in a silly mood &...
well... this is a serious subject.

I can't believe people would post something to thread like this that would have to be deleted. I didn't see what the posts were & I'm glad.

:hug:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:39 PM
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12. It's OK; the deleted replies & sub-thread were deleted because of specific DU rules, NOT because
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 10:40 PM by Redstone
the posts were insensitive in any way.

I just want to make it clear that nobody was responding to my original post in ANY hostile way at all. so don't worry about that. The Mods had good reason to delete the post and the sub-thread, but believe me, it ONLY had to do with DU rules, and NOT because that DUer was being hostile.

Yeah, I'm being repetitive here. But I want to be clear about the deleted posts.

Redstone
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:42 PM
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13. I'm glad they weren't hostile. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:08 PM
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15. yes and thank you for asking because I wondered the same thing
I was thinking, what the hell?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:25 PM
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9. I'm sorry.
I can't say I've been there, but that sounds heartbreaking, and I'm sorry your family is going through it.

FWIW, I agree. If I ever go down that path, I would hope somebody would OD my meds and let me go.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:30 PM
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10. It is very hard to watch a loved one suffer from Alzheimer's. My grandmother
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 10:31 PM by driver8
lived in a nursing home for 7 years with this terrible disease. She was a retired school teacher and an avid reader and always loved to know what was going on in the world. It killed me to see her like that and I just kept hoping that she would die so she could be free from the terrible disease.

I told my wife that if I ever get Alzheimer's that she is to give me a bottle of sleeping pills and a big glass of vodka...

I'm sorry that you and your family are going through this.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:43 PM
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14. Thank you. I think it's indeed hardest to see it hit someone who was so mentally sharp
throughout his or her life.

Thank you again.

Redstone
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:24 PM
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16. No real preventive measures for Alzheimer's
or any other dementia

however, taking care of your body, good diet, exercise, etc. will alleviate a lot of the potential for things that are often the triggers for Alzheimer's (strokes, head trauma, other damage to the brain)

No evidence that brain exercise helps or doesn't help, but it may make one a more flexible thinker in general.

Good news is that with earlier diagnosis, meds have been helpful in many cases to stave off the disease's progression for a longer period.

New meds in the pipeline too

better understanding of what happens to the brain during the course of alzheimer's and in other dementias.

low fat and cholesterol diets may help but they certainly will help other illnesses and conditions that may trigger alzheimer's.

Sorry about your Aunt. I work with dementia patients who have acted out in some way, combative, or wandering risk etc. It is something that one can at this point only hope to control the behaviors to an extent, but the disease itself is usually not very amenable to this. Although I've seen alzheimer's trigger a psychosis that was treatable and the person was in fact thinking more clearly after discharge, but they still had alzheimer's, and it had not really been slowed, just a group of symptoms that made the person more confused.

take care
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:32 PM
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17. I think my grandmother suffered undiagnosed from this.
I also wish that some saint would release me from that world if I suffered from it as well.

I'm sorry for what you've gone through with this.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:29 AM
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18. My husbands aunt had it
she was always active and walked everywhere she could. She read the newspaper aloud to her husband everyday for years. Once I was walking behind this slim woman with a dark page boy hair cut and jeans, I thought this was a young woman in her 20's or 30's, but when she turned around it was the aunt and she was in her mid 70's at the time. What a shame she spent the last years of her life like she did.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:47 AM
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19. Dear Redstone. I can't even imagine how hard this must be
for all of you. Know you're in my thoughts and prayers. :hug:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:23 PM
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20. I had a grandfather who died of it. The last time I saw him we brought him
grapes and photos of family. He was trying to eat the photos. The hospital where he was was great. They gave him lots and lots of attention and care. A terrible way for great people to die.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 09:28 PM
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21. My mother has Alzheimers and she has been in a nursing home for 12 years now.
She rarely speaks and she has not known me for years. She lives in the big now which has pretty much collapsed upon itself. She is only a shell of what made her a unique human being and she is becoming more empty all the time. They ran programs for hours on Alheimers on one of my local PBS channels and it was very sad, especially of the family whose mother died of it and then the kids started getting it one by one at a relatively young age.
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