Do you think 9/11 changed everything?

[Haole Girl]

In some industries, like the airlines, it changed most things.

People scoff at the idea and say the Republican party exploits 9/11. I cannot completely disagree with that idea.

Still, we can't deny it, what happened on this day shaped our lives forever.

I'll go drink some coffee now.

:cry:

[TZ]

1. I think this day is exploited politically

by both sides actually..the right obviously..but the far left of the Democratic party have turned this day into attack Bush! day, something downright callous in my book.
Today should be a sincere day of morning and rememberance for lives lost..much like Pearl Harbor Day is.

[Haole Girl]

4. Agreed

Sincerity is a rare quality, turtlesue. :hug:

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. I have changed my oil numerous times since Sept. 11th.

And changed my clothes on a daily basis.

[Haole Girl]

5. Hey, it's the Lounge

This topic is a little heavy for the Lounge, I know.

[supernova]

3. No, it didn't

The world is what it always was... sometimes a really shitty place.

What did change is the American perception of it that we are are somehow magically removed from this political/terrorist violence just because we live here. It's a myth we managed to tell ourselves successfully throughout the 20th Century. Pearl Harbor, terrible though it was, didn't happen on the mainland and it is a military target.

Having said that, it is a traumatizing thing to realize that we too are vulnerable ... just like the rest of the world.

[Haole Girl]

6. Good points

Everyone, everywhere, can end up vulnerable to violence. It amazes me, in news stories, how people say "it never happens in this neighborhood..."

[old mark]

7. Gave Bush and republicans excuses they wanted

to curb freedom in the US via Patriot Act and to be aggressive assholes in the world.
They have plunged us into huge debt and still complain about "tax and spend" Democrats.

Finally, I heard that they are "planning" to check all incoming air cargo for radiation - only took 7 years to "plan" this.

We need to win this election.

mark

[Haole Girl]

9. Yeah, cargo...

don't even get me started on that.

A lot of our security in the U.S. is simply window dressing.

[av8rdave]

8. It didn't change everything....but some things

It gave us a greater feeling of vulnerability, I think (which has been shamelessly exploited by the Bush junta and his minions). It changed the airline industry in a lot of ways.

It certainly gave the right a whole new weapon - fear. They sure know how to use it!

[Haole Girl]

10. The right does know how to use fear

I won't argue with that!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. no. it changed very little in new york. strangely enough it happened in new york.

people however use it as an excuse to justify xenophobia and racism.

[Haole Girl]

12. Interesting

One New Yorker I talked with yesterday, at work, had an entirely different perspective.

But they could have been the minority, of course.

Anyway, I hope it's an uneventful day - everywhere across our country - today.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. well i mean in the course of our lives very little has changed

at first there were some big changes. ID's to enter buildings (though keep in mind terrorist didnt really enter the world trade center the usual way), back pack checks in subways etc

now, its all gone back

and we voted for kerry and will vote for obama because we (atleast 87% of us) know that 9/11 isnt what really changed the world

[Iggo]

13. No.

[Haole Girl]

22. Well

I maybe should have asked the question differently... but, hey, I didn't have any caffeine in me yet!

[Iggo]

32. LOL...neither did I.

:rofl:

[IndianaJones]

15. it brought to light the threat of radical islam. nt.

[Haole Girl]

16. Any religion, when it's radical, is an equal threat. nt

[Shell Beau]

18. Anything that is radical enough can be threatening.

[JCMach1]

17. Wrong... the threat of Radical Islamists with CIA training...!

that's the difference...

[MrScorpio]

19. It's an EXCUSE to change ANYTHING

That's how tyrants work

[Haole Girl]

23. It can be an excuse

And I'm sure it is an excuse, often.

[Rabrrrrrr]

20. It did change a lot of things. Unfortunately, it shouldn't have changed much at all.

[Haole Girl]

24. Well put. nt

[ghostsofgiants]

21. It gave the US government an excuse to convince the people that they need to...

Do stuff to piss off the Middle East even more, because that's clearly the way you stop terrorists. :eyes:

[Haole Girl]

25. Yeah. Want to hear something funny (odd funny)?

I often wonder if outsourcing is not sharply increasing anti-American sentiment around the world.

Think about it? The customer service agent, in India (or wherever) answers the phone and the first thing out of the American's mouth, in response to them, is, "I want to talk to someone who can speak ENGLISH!" Just because the customer service rep has an accent. They (aka The Ugly Americans) don't even give the person a chance. How would you feel? Sorry, I know this is somewhat off-topic... just an idea I've been tossing around for awhile.

[ghostsofgiants]

42. Yeah, it definitely doesn't help.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. It definitely changed my life. I made some major life changing

decisions on that day and I carried them out, too. Things had been on my mind but, that day I decided to take action.

[Haole Girl]

27. You don't have to share them, of course, but I'm curious...

what decisions did you make?

:shrug:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

28. hmmmm...

not for public consumption. I will PM, kay?

[Haole Girl]

29. Of course...

but only if you feel comfortable doing so. :hug:

[alarimer]

30. Yes, for the worse.

In the sense that the terrorists did in fact win.

And the response to it was totally wrong. EVERYTHING about the response was wrong, including Afghanistan. This bullshit war on terror is wrong and will ultimately fail because we are only creating MORE terrorists.

And I am also sickened by the way we have allowed our rights to be taken from us.

[Haole Girl]

33. I know it..

I saw an ABC news report, just last night, about "the war" in Afghanistan. And I put that in quotation marks because it really isn't a "real war" in a way... without enough troops to make a significant difference. What a quagmire our country has created. (sigh)

[billyskank]

31. For authoritarian douchebags, 9/11 is the gift that doesn't stop giving.

[Haole Girl]

34. Hey billyskank

:hi:

[billyskank]

36. Hi

:hi:

I didn't change on 11th September 2001, fwiw.

[Haole Girl]

41. I'm afraid I did

Might be because it affected me, personally, who knows?

Change of subject: I was glad to read you are still dancing. It's a wonderful skill to have!! :hi:

[Taverner]

35. Nope

It did, however, really help the current fool in the white house.

[Haole Girl]

38. I know it...

and it does lead to conspiracy theories, I know. And, who will ever know the whole truth...huh?

[Taverner]

40. We will never know the truth

The 9/11 report was a joke

But there are just as many holes in Loose Change

Which holes are real holes and which ones are disinformation holes, we will never know

Our grandkids might know.

Hell, the Germans who freaked out over the Reichstag Fire had no idea it was the NAZI's who set it until after the war.

[hunter]

37. No, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney changed everything.

Throw those rat bastards into the pits of hell along with the hijackers of 9/11 planes.

We might have responded to 9/11 in a rational manner, but instead we threw more innocent people and our civil liberties onto the pyre.

[Haole Girl]

39. Ouch

Do you mean the pilots? No. Maybe you meant the ones who took over the controls?

:shrug:

[hunter]

43. fixed. thanks.

ouch.