McCain is not running away

[Pierre.Suave]

he, as the front man, is daring the Democrats to not agree to the bailout bill. This is political one-upmanship. If the Dems do not agree to the bill, the repugs get to use it as a campaign issue. If the Dems do agree, the repugs get what they want, 700 Billion dollars free to use however they wish without any oversight.

[Richardo]

1. He's got no hand

This is reactionary panic, pure and simple. Their move to postpone the VP debates as well, proves it in my book.

[Pierre.Suave]

2. this decision did not come from the McFail campaign

it came from the Bush Whitehouse. This is bigger than McFails Campaign.

[AlCzervik]

3. agreed, it reeks of desperation and if this was such a crisis then why didn't he head back

to DC last week and this week and Palin spent 3 days prancing around Manhattan.

[Pierre.Suave]

7. I think you both are not seeing the larger picture here

this is about the bailout bill, getting the campaign issue is secondary.

[AlCzervik]

8. yes i see the larger picture, this isn't my first time at the rodeo.

[Pierre.Suave]

20. well then

how do you not see that this is all about the bailout bill? If it really was an act of desperation the repugs would have had McFail and Failin IN DC TODAY, hell YESTERDAY...to show they were Serious. We would be seeing pics of Failin talking to "W" about the "economic crisis" while John McFail would be in the senate giving speeches.

this is about the bailout bill and it is a dare to the Dems in the house. not a bad move either actually for them.

[AlCzervik]

4. i forgot to add this link-i lol'd

he comes against it last week and he didn't even look it over.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7169305&mesg_id=7169305

[Richardo]

10. Three freakin pages...

...George Will was right.

[AlCzervik]

12. usually not much shocks me but that did. Even i read the thing.

[Zuiderelle]

14. Oh wow... I hadn't seen that.

Fucking hilarious.

[AlCzervik]

16. scary right? How the hell could he have claimed to be against or for any of it

when he didn't even read it?

[PeaceNikki]

19. See: USA PATRIOT Act

Shocking, but it's been done before.

[AlCzervik]

24. that's what worries me about the bailout, if they even think about passing it

in the few days, now way will anybody be able to read the whole thing and they'll just try and ram it through.

[PeaceNikki]

26. Indeed.

MAYBE because this is about money and not civil rights the old-school fiscally conservative Republicans will look twice.

[Zuiderelle]

27. Yep. I agree with Schumer... they should give them just a small portion of it and wait until January

to see if more is required. I can't believe they would ever get $700 billion passed for this. They don't need it all at once. They won't spend it all at once. Why would they give it all at once?

[AlCzervik]

33. that is a way more reasonable and sane solution, i heard it was 150 billion now but

there has to be real estate put up for it, like 5 billion worth from the companies that get the bailout and then if more $$$ is needed (you know it will!) they have to come back and ask.

[Zuiderelle]

Oh good! It was $150 billion that Schumer suggested.

[AlCzervik]

36. and with some collateral, i wish it was more than 5 billion but it's a start.

[Zuiderelle]

38. Yep... It's definitely more palatable that SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION!

That's just insane. And everyone knows it.

[AlCzervik]

40. and who knows if this will have any long term effect and how about the other sub primes that haven't

hit a reset, i don't even know if those are factored in so this could be just the first wave. I saw a panel on Bloomberg the other night, all money folks from different sectors and 2 out of 3 them said they think we won't hit the bottom for another 4 years.

[Richardo]

25. At least you could say that the Patriot Act was eleventy thousand pages, 9-11, etc

But three pages? Sounds like someone graduated 3rd from the bottom of his class. Oh wait...

[Richardo]

17. I didn't think anyone could be more incurious than Bush

Pathetic.

[PeaceNikki]

30. The fundamentals are strong, Richardo.

[terrya]

31. That's quite an accomplishment.

Pathetic is right.

[Richardo]

18. .

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[PeaceNikki]

5. Ayup.

It's more desperate than diabolical.

[Zuiderelle]

6. Agreed. It was an act of sheer desperation.

[terrya]

11. What was that terrific quote from Barney Frank about this ridiculous stunt?

"It's the longest hail mary pass in the history of football. Or marys".

:-)

I'm paraphrasing. But Barney, as usual, got it right.

[Zuiderelle]

15. "It's the longest Hail Mary pass in the history of either football or Marys."

Best quote of the week!

[terrya]

21. Thanks!

I got it wrong.

But Barney definitely got it right. It IS the best quote of the week! :thumbsup:

[Zuiderelle]

22. Oh LOL! I didn't see the body of your post, just the subject.

You had it right! :rofl: I was being redundant. I'm good at that.

:D

[terrya]

28. Meh...doesn't matter whether you or I got it right.

I just hope there's a place in Obama's Cabinet for Barney Frank. He's one of the smartest people in Washington. Bar none. Plus, he's funny as hell. :-)

[Zuiderelle]

29. He does have a way with words.

I absolutely love the man.

[tekisui]

9. Nah. The pukes are divided over it. Half want it, the other half think

its socialism. Dick cheney couldn't even get them straight on it. The Dems are holding the cards, they are in control. mcPOW is reactionary and petty. This will hurt him no matter how it plays out. he is in a no win situation.

[Pierre.Suave]

13. The repugs dont care about no win situations

they just want their money, screw the rest of us.

Anyone that does not see that is seriously deluded.

[tekisui]

23. Many of the repukes are sickened by this.

THey think it is socialism coming. They loathe big government. Those are the ones, the old conservatives, that would also love to pounce on this opportunity to put space between them and chimpy.

[Pierre.Suave]

32. I dont think the bush admin

cares about them either.

this is a dare to the dems. Give us the bill or we use it against you. The DEMS have the majority and have caved to everything else the Bushies wanted, why should we think they will stop now.

[PeaceNikki]

34. Unity breaks out against Bush bailout

After months of disingenuous talk about bipartisanship and rising above politics, Democrats and Republicans, in Congress and on the presidential trail, seemed suddenly united - in their distrust of the White House's $700bn bailout plan, and their confusion as to how to play the issue to their advantage.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/23/uselections2008.barackobama1

[tekisui]

35. I doubt this bailout/robbery won't go through.

I just hope Dems can set the rules of it. Strict Oversight. Penalties for the CEOs. Breaks for Middle America. No Golden Parachutes.

I'd prefer they let the whole system collapse, and voters correct the behavior.

[Pierre.Suave]

37. That is precisely what this stunt is about

it is a dare, give us what we want or we get to go out on the campaign trail and blame the dems for all our problems.

this is the bush admin telling congressional dems, dont stall this, or debate it etc... agree by friday or else.

[Zuiderelle]

39. It won't work, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you.

[Pierre.Suave]

41. Maybe on you and I

it would not work. I have much less faith in congress however, their only instinct is to remain in office.

[PeaceNikki]

42. Sure won't. It's not just the Democrats against this.

Sheer panic and desperation:

....senior McCain campaign strategist Steve Schmidt launched what was, even by contemporary Republican standards, an extraordinary attack on the media, picking in particular on the New York Times. The paper reported that Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, had been paid more than $30,000 per month in an earlier job working for a group seeking to limit government regulation of US mortgage lenders.

"There is no level of public vetting with regard to Senator Obama's record, his background, his past statements. There is no level of outrage directed at his deceitful ads. This is an organisation that is completely, totally, 150% in the tank for the Democrat candidate," Schmidt said in a media conference call. When Ben Smith, a reporter for the newspaper and website Politico, asked Schmidt to back up several of the factually dubious claims he'd made in the call, he refused. Instead, he told Smith: "You're in the tank."

[AlCzervik]

45. McCain is going to have rid himself of Davis, the FBI is investigating Fannie and Freddie

and he said he "would cooperate". Plain got nailed by that tonight when Couric interviewed her, she had no idea that question was coming.

[PeaceNikki]

46. I think she did, and she answered exactly as she memorized.

"My understanding is that Rick Davis recused himself from the dealings of the firm."

and again:

"Again, my understanding is that he recused himself from the dealings with Freddie and Fannie, any lobbying efforts on his part there. "

http://cbs13.com/campaign08/palin.couric.interview.2.824872.html

[AlCzervik]

47. lol, nice, if she repeats enough times maybe it will be true!

[terrya]

44. No, it won't.

I'm not worried about it.

[Richardo]

43. jason, they're doing that already - blaming the Dems. They've played that card

No one is buying it outside of daytime AM radio.

[Pierre.Suave]

48. Thank you for rating my thread "skip it"

it makes it easier to find on the page...

[applegrove]

49. If the democrats agree to this - with no relief for people whose homes

get forclosed on - it makes obama look bad.

Neocons love a crisis for sure.