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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:07 PM
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What is the worst thing invented by mankind?
For me the answer is easy: religion is the worst thing invented by mankind.
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motely36 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:07 PM
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1. twitter
:P
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:10 PM
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2. Do you mean
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:13 PM
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7. I love twitter.
I'm all up in my friends' bidness tho and have the attention span of a squirrel.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:11 PM
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3. Religion is the best thing invented by mankind.
The atom bomb is probably the worst.

Biological weapons after that.
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:13 PM
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6. What do you suppose is the motivation behind
why those things are largely used in the first place?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:48 PM
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32. Usually political goals.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 03:49 PM by primate1
Power and money.

If they were truly religious motivations, far more people would be involved.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:49 PM
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33. And how do the powerful and rich get people to do what they want?
religion
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:53 PM
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39. Manipulation.
Far more than just religion. I'm not saying religion is a wonderful thing or anything. I'm a pretty ardent atheist myself. But people have a tendency to overstate the negative influence of religion I think. There's a whole lot more to the story than "Religion is bad." Yes, religion is exploited for nefarious ends, but that's like saying cars are bad because they're how robbers flee a crime scene. Religion has equal potential for good or bad, it's all dependent upon how people use it. My argument is that there are positive uses for religion, and as such, I don't see it as the worst thing mankind has ever created.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:03 PM
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48. "positive uses"
So it is okay to lie to people and make them think they are going to hell because of positive uses. What a devastating admission. I got news for you. People don't need to be manipulated into doing the right thing. It is only by teaching that the wrong thing is holy that religion has any use.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:12 PM
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55. Firstly, characterizing it as a lie is disingenuous since it's a sincere belief for most of them.
Secondly, I agree that people don't need to be manipulated into doing the right thing. In fact, I think it's a little despicable if the only reason a person does good is because that person is afraid of going to hell. But what if it was simply a moral philosophy without any supernatural elements? Would you feel the same way about it? Shit, I definitely don't agree with all of the morals of a given religion (in this case I'll assume we're talking about Christianity) but to deny that there is anything good at all about religion just makes you seem like a belligerent ass. Have you read the Bible? There's a lot of nasty stuff, but there is a lot of good stuff in there as well, whether you're religious or not.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/good/long.html
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:19 PM
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60. It is possible to repeat a lie with sincerity and still have it be a lie.
Moral philosophy is different than religion because it relies on the power of persuasion. Once the powers that be declare that for example gay relationships are against god, the question is foreclosed for all time. As long as an argument is based on logic and evidence people can decide for themselves. Once it is based on divine will, that freedom is gone forever.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:23 PM
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63. Again, I'm not saying that religion is good, and I agree with you on that very point.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 04:23 PM by primate1
I'm just saying that religion has aspects which are good, whether you like it or not. I'm not saying go out and go to church, I'm saying it's closed minded to deny that anything positive has come from religion.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:18 PM
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109. I think if we are honest about it...
...we would have to admit the positive things are overwhelmed by negative things. And there is no way to know to what degree those positive things would have been done anyway without religion. Take Dr. King, for example. While he was a true believer and used the Bible to get his message across, it was his humanity that made him what he was. In point of fact, his nonviolence resistance was based on what he learned from Ghandi, a Hindu. Ghandi himself got the idea from Jainism. Also it is important to note that whatever inspiration King and his followers got from the Bible, they were fighting a status quo based religious doctrine. While a civil rights volunteer may have been religious or secular, the proponents of slavery and then segregation justified their stances solely on theological grounds. It was the whole god-made-us-difference-races. (Now we hear about some guys named Adam and Steve.) Plus the Bible specifically promotes out-group hostility and slavery. The one example where slaves are freed was not because the victims were slaves, but because they were Hebrew. So it was racism and not any esteem for freedom in Exodus. That was the opposition King was facing.

If one looks at all the nominally religious hospitals, one should bear in mind that the churches stifled scientific inquiry for 2000 years and continue to do so. The arguments we hear about stem cell research, for example, were once given about dissection, geology and astronomy and with the force of law.

Religion has been the enemy of human progress for far too long.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:49 PM
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84. The notion of "lie"
carries with it the intent to deceive.

It is the intentionality that makes an utterance contrary to the truth a lie.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:23 PM
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111. I know what it means.
If someone lies to me and I believe it and I then repeat it to you, it is still a lie. Often people lie to themselves in order to repeat a falsehood "sincerely." And in most cases, religious doctrine and purported facts are lies. I strongly suspect that every morning, that Warren guy looks in the mirror and thinks about how he can rip off gullible believers. Anyway, there are also constructive lies. If somehow has real reason to think that a purported fact is false, but does not bother to consider that reason, he is still a liar.
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:15 PM
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58. Organized religion IS manipulation. eom.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:21 PM
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102. Stop making sense, you!
Don't you know that only people who think religion is a delusion get to be the "cool" atheists? We atheists who see more than one side to things must be denounced as flip-floppers and have tomatoes thrown at us!
:D
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:06 PM
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108. Yeah, I suck at atheism.
Ah well. :P
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:51 PM
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36. unless you are the "wrong" religion....
See Hitler's Germany.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:31 PM
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23. religion ?
Every page of history is stained by the blood of religious aggression.

How can that be a good thing ?

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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:51 PM
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37. Who said that religious aggression was a good thing?
Not me.

On the other hand, much of the greatest art and music ever created was made in the name of religion in different cultures around the world.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:20 PM
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61. .
:rofl:
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:31 PM
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66. What do you find so amusing?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:51 PM
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85. Oh, good.
Snarkiness. Such a compelling rhetorical device.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:48 PM
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31. How do you figure?
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:57 PM
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42. Religion is the effort of man trying to come to grip with the deepest questions
about human existence, our place in the universe, and the meaning of our lives.

Much wonderful art, music, literature, and architecture that are essential to Western civilization and culture come from that effort. Ideals about justice, and development of values systems, come from religion. Monotheistic religions were the first to have God, the highest and only power, be the source of justice, rather than prior polytheistic systems were gods could be capricious and interfering in human life.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:00 PM
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43. Monotheism sucks. One god? That means that god is responsible for good AND evil
God is the one murdering children, wiping out cities, and sending war, plague and pestilence. Therefore, if you buy into the omnipotent sky god theory, then that god is one major league asshole.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:04 PM
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49. Religion is slightly more complicated than that.
but I have no need to educate you on the subject, other than to say that kneejerk religion bashing that is often prevalent on DU only reveals the ignorance of the basher on the subject. There seem to be many of them around.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:07 PM
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50. Yes silly knee jerk people who have had horrible experiences
with religion. Don't they know whats good for them?..(There is at least ONE person on this thread who had religion make their life a living hell and cause a friend to suicide)
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:10 PM
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53. An individual experience with religion, no matter how horrible, is not a universal experience.
Religions, and religious practices vary tremendously, even within the same denomination.

Some people have terrible experiences with religion, some have transcendent experiences, and everything in between.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:23 PM
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62. Mine is not "kneejerk" religion bashing.
I've spent decades observing religion's harmful effects on multiple aspects of society.

Religion can be more complicated, but I don't think you can dispute the basic premise of an all-powerful god being responsible for both good and bad. Therefore, if you buy into this particular mythology, you have to conclude that an all-powerful god does a lot of fucked-up stuff.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:29 PM
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65. but who buys into that mythology?
Not me.

it is an interesting question that is not solved, theologically, is how omnipotent is God, really? What is the role of Satan, and why is he so powerful, if he is only a fallen angel?
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:16 PM
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139. monotheism does suck. it is intolerant by it's definition
back in the old days, each culture worshipped many gods. When two cultures came into contact, they invariably exchanged some religious ideas over time. When you already have 10 gods you worship, adding one more isn't that big of a deal, especially if this other culture happens to be successful and prosperous.

Now enter monotheism. There's only ONE GOD, MY GOD, and yours is obviously fake and you are subhuman for worshipping any other god, therefore I shall kill you and your family and take your land. (blueprint for the old testament)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:01 PM
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45. Hmm.
I seem to recall that alot of modern democracy was based on the greeks and their philosophy and they were ANYTHING but monotheistic.

FWIW, most of the religious value systems seem to me about separating and elevating one group over others not exactly any kind of value system I or many would like.
As I said, religion is wonderful, as long as its YOUR religious group that is in power.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:07 PM
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52. Seperating one group from another is not unique to religion.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 04:08 PM by kwassa
It is simply the psychology of groups, and borders between them. If one belongs to a group, it must be for a desirable reason, or for some special value in the group participant, and those not in the group are thereby defined as less.

This is true of nationalities, cultures, tribal affiliations, etc. Even football teams. Fans of one are right, and fans of the other are wrong, and lesser human beings by definition.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:16 PM
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59. That is a lie.
Religion has answered none of those questions and has only hindered efforts to find the real answers.

Art and music is religious in nature because before the 19th century, the churches were one of the few real source of artistic patronage.

As far as the supposed superiority of monotheism, you have no way of knowing that pagans are wrong and you are right. Frankly, conflicting gods make more sense than a single one who could do whatever he wanted. The fact is the condition of the world cannot be squared with an Abramic god unless that god is evil. A reading of the Bible does describe an evil god.

Anyway, as soon as you say that morality is gauged by holiness, you immediately turn society into a theocracy. And we know how those turn out. The fact that religion insinuates itself into matters of morality and pseudo-morality does not mean they are responsible for it. The fact is that most people will do the right thing because it is the right thing. Religion can be used and is used to justify anything. Saudi Arabia is probably the most religious nation on Earth. Is it also the most ethical? I don't think so. That distinction goes to one of the largely disbelieving states of western Europe. Are the red states and their religiosity more moral and ethical than the less religious blue states? Evidence suggests it is the other way around.

And all of this is beside the fact that there is no god. Would you found a system of belief on a lie? The last poster I responded to would.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:27 PM
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64. It isn't a lie at all, it is the truth.
I never said religion answered the questions, you need to read a little more carefully.

I said it was the EFFORT to answer the questions, and it is the effort that has value, and the effort than never ends, even now. It is in the attempt that value lies.

I never said that morality is gauged by holiness, whatever that means.

I don't think that one set of humans is more ethical than any other, but that some societies created by humans are more ethical, and some are completely unethical, and some are middling.

and quite honestly, there are liberals who are as unethical as conservatives. Political persuasion is no sign of morality either, unfortunately. Things would be much easier if that were true.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:36 PM
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113. okay, let me clarify
"I never said religion answered the questions, you need to read a little more carefully.

"I said it was the EFFORT to answer the questions, and it is the effort that has value, and the effort than never ends, even now. It is in the attempt that value lies."

Ye gods, want an admission! You're right. I assumed your statement meant that the seeker could expect to find answers at the end of all that searching. Apparently, struggling in ignorance or reaching the wrong answers is somehow valuable. I think you are full of shit. The value is in learning and in discovery, not in perpetual ignorance.

"I never said that morality is gauged by holiness, whatever that means."

It means that opposition to slavery, acceptance of gays, questioning the existence of god or considering other gods, lighting a lamp on Saturday, divorcing an abusive spouse, failing to burn animals, eating shell fish, confronting our leaders are all immoral and sinful, not because they do any harm, but because god says so. That's what I mean about morality being gauged by holiness. And if that is not how religion treats morality, what is?

"I don't think that one set of humans is more ethical than any other, but that some societies created by humans are more ethical, and some are completely unethical, and some are middling."

I agree. While Arabs are not more or less ethical than anyone else--my doctor is an Arab and I have no problem trusting him--Saudi Arabia is a profoundly unethical society.

And I agree that political persuasions is not necessarily an indicator of ethics. Frankly, I think a lot of liberals are so for no better reason than conservatives think what they think. I DO believe that a point of view based on acceptance, inclusiveness and social justice is more likely to make someone act ethically than what the neocons have.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:02 PM
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134. your beliefs
Sound like a religion...


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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:27 PM
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112. Philosophy is the effort of humans trying to come to grip with the deepest questions
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 02:28 PM by BurtWorm
about human existence, our place in the universe, and the meaning of our lives.

Religion is the institutionalization of rituals to organize a way of life that presumes to have all the answers to those questions in a single, orthodox set of principles.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:02 PM
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76. My faith has sustained me
although, can we say that religion was invented by mankind?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:11 PM
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4. The speed bump
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:14 PM
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8. LOL!
If I could give you a high-five right now, I would. :thumbsup:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:02 PM
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67. How about this?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:12 PM
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5. Well nuclear weapons (or weapons in general for that matter) spring to mind.
And religion is only bad if used in a bad way. There's a whole lot about love and justice in religion that gets ignored for the shit about not letting two dudes get married or whatever. Weapons on the other hand don't have many other possibilities.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:17 PM
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12. I have yet to see an example of how any person has benefitted from religion.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:45 PM
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28. You're either not looking hard enough or you're too close minded to see it.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:53 PM
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38. Um, religious charities?
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 03:56 PM by amitten
Faith to continue living when all hope is otherwise lost?

Adherence to a moral code that prohibits theft, murder and mayhem in general?

Religious beliefs are responsible for all. Religion has caused blood in the streets. But complete lack thereof would likely cause twice as much.

Why do you think so many prisoners "find God"? Hell, it's the only thing that makes some of them decide slashing up other humans isn't really A-OK. And the people that kill in the name of religion are twisting it. If religion didn't exist, they would STILL kill for the idea of power/dominance alone.

Blaming religion for the inherent weaknesses of mankind is a gigantic cop-out.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:31 PM
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124. "Blaming religion for the inherent weaknesses of mankind is a gigantic cop-out."
There's the money quote :thumbsup:

I laugh at the naivete of smarmy atheists who assume that, if religion disappeared tomorrow, the world would become some kind of peaceful benevolent classless utopia out of John Lennon's "Imagine," as if religion were the cause, and not merely a symptom, of mankind's inherent violence and selfishness. That delusion is every bit as foolish and childish as any of the most ridiculous and far-fetched religions could ever be.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:15 PM
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57. What is your background in world history and culture?
Most culture and artistic achievement, from a long historical perspective, relates to religious works in one way or another. Most concepts definitions of moral behavior and justice come from religion, originally.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:14 PM
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9. Marriage.....
but maybe I'm just bitter :P
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:50 PM
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35. Amen sistah!
:thumbsup:
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:45 PM
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107. Another vote for marriage
:toast:

Boo marriage!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:15 PM
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10. The excuse. nt
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:16 PM
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11. Organized religion.
The world is self-destructing because of it.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:18 PM
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13. Velveeta.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:19 PM
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14. I think we have to disqualify your answer...
Velveeta was a gift from God! :rofl:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:19 PM
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15. Sunless tanner.
It's created a whole generation of teenage girls who don't seem to realize they all look like Oompa-loompas.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:21 PM
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18. And it forces me to exercise a lot of self-control...
because I just came from a place where people tan naturally. So any time I see someone like that I have to fight the urge to point and laugh.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:23 PM
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21. The best are the bleach job/sunless tanner combos.
They almost look like normal people, if you saw them on tv sets where the color control was going out. As is they look just creepy and alien enough that I expect Captain Kirk to show up and try to get some alien tail.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:57 PM
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41. How about the ones that show up with white circles around their eyes
Where they obviously had patches during their spray on/tanning bed session..They look awful!
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:48 PM
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90. I'm not sure which is worse
the bad fake tan with dark hair, or the bad fake tan with badly bleached hair. Both look ridiculous and inhuman in their own way.

Combine that with the fad that seems to be fading out around here, thank the gods, where the girls will clip their bangs back into this big poof on top of their head that completely changes the shape of their head and face and yeah. They look like aliens.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:23 PM
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20. I can get that freshly oranged look with my pos camera
and I never have to worry about streaks!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:24 PM
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22. My old camera lent everything a yellowish hue.
So all my pictures looked pre-aged.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:54 PM
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72. Oh that shit is fucked up!
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:20 PM
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16. Cell phones.
That work in cars. :scared:
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:21 PM
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17. Pringle's... in particular the Smoky Bacon flavored ones..
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:22 PM
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19. Insecurity (eom)
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:23 PM
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123. Is that a dig at me?
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:27 PM
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126. Totally
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:50 PM
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132. I thought probably so...
but then I thought nah. But then I thought "yeah, another attack from a stranger".

But then I thought nah.


Just curious, why do <i>you</i> hate me?
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:00 PM
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136. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
Why do you THINK people hate you?
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:29 PM
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137. I don't know. Maybe because people hate insecure people.
but I'm probably wrong about that too.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 11:26 AM
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138. well, that and we know that you're up to no good.
;)
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:10 PM
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141. you should have to pay for my therapy
but you'd probably just refuse, and I probably couldn't find a therapist to take me anyway.




:heavy sigh:

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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 11:36 AM
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143. Just say you were molested by a priest when you were a kid
The Cat'lics will give you a big settlement which should more than cover your therapy.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:41 PM
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145. but that's the thing, I was molested by a priest as a kid
...but I can't be 100% sure I'm not just making that up to explain why I am so very alone, so I better not say anything.




lol, ok, 'nuff a' this shit.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:32 PM
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24. Borders.
The boundaries, not the retailer.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:34 PM
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26. This is a very good serious answer.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 03:46 PM by LeftyMom
Fuck the border!

Or tribalism generally, which would also encompass religion and xenophobia in many delightful forms.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:46 PM
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29. Good answer.
:thumbsup:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:34 PM
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25. yup
religion
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:34 PM
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27. I agree with you -- definitely Religion is the worst.
"Imagine there's no religion. It's easy if you try."

I do. All the time.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:48 PM
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30. Vegan cheese
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:56 PM
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40. There are a few that don't suck.
Unfortunately they're all fairly hard to find.

Teese (mozzarella only) is good. Every kind of Cheezely I've tried is good. Supposedly Scheese is also good but I haven't tried so I can't say for sure.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:49 PM
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34. That or the Atomic Bomb
Not sure which is worse
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:07 PM
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51. I'd definitely agree with the a-bomb.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:00 PM
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44. The Tele-God-Damned-Phone. n/t
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:01 PM
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46. Oh yeah, forgot something: Reality TV.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:11 PM
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54. I believe the 10th circle of hell involves "reality" television.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:12 PM
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56. Sounds about right.
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dawgmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:02 PM
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47. Breast implants (except in the case of mastectomy reconstruction) nt
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:50 PM
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116. my mom had breast cancer in '79.
And a radical mastectomy (Halsted radical).

she was pretty flat chested. The doc could barely get the skin to meet to stitch it up.
So she could not have had reconstruction, even if she had wanted it.


There is NO WAY I would have a breast implant for cosmetic purposes.

So I agree.
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dawgmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:56 PM
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118. Agreed
Sorry about your mom. Hope she is fully recovered.

I do understand why some women who have mastectomies opt for breast reconstruction. After that kind of trauma, anything that helps them to feel whole and to recover emotionally is fine with me. I just hate the whole breast implant phenomenon, and the false standard of beauty it has created. No woman can live up to that body type -- stick-thin body and huge breasts. It just doesn't occur in nature (or very, very rarely). And for men who are porn-addicted, it has completely screwed up their idea of what real women look like. I actually saw a guy on some reality program one time (when I was flipping channels) who said that he preferred the fake breast look, and that's why he had paid to have DD implants put in his wife. Ugh. I nearly hurled.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:04 PM
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68. soft core porn. nt.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:58 PM
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74. AND...soft corn pone.
;-)
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:09 PM
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69. Myspace
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:51 PM
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70. Patriarchy,
without a doubt.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:09 PM
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122. Patriarchy AND Patriarchal Religion (most of what's practiced now)
Male gods without female goddesses is pretty stupid, if you're going to have gods in the first place.

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:34 PM
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128. I'll agree to that! nt
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:54 PM
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71. Weapons of mass destruction.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:56 PM
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73. Agriculture
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:33 PM
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103. Not all of it.
Just the totalitarian neolithic kind.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:00 PM
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75. Atheism
without a doubt
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:52 PM
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91. Mankind didn't invent atheism
God did.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:02 PM
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77. Republicans
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:02 PM
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78. The Dallas Cowboys
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:07 PM
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79. Jet skis. They suck, and the people who ride them suck. And they are a real shit stain on the
environment. The fumes, the noise and the recklessness. Plus, people just look like assholes when riding them. No one EVER looked good on a god damned jet ski.

Fuck them and the bastards who make them, sell them and ride them. I don't care if I offend anyone by saying that. If you like the damned things, we have nothing in common.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:09 PM
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80. I'll go along with religion.
Out of all the things I hate about Republicans, nothing tops their stances on religion. Scary, psychotic shit.

I'd go with the institution of marriage as a close second. I know it works for some, but the percentage just isn't high enough to sell me on it being a good idea.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:12 PM
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81. I agree and I think it started and still is
by large a front for evil. Sorry to everyone out their that is a true religious person, I don't mean you. I don't want to know what anyones religion is it should be as private as your sex life if it's sincere
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:17 PM
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82. The jury's still out but I bet the internal cumbustion engine ends up pretty high on the list.
We may have to wait for the final ruling on that one though.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:47 PM
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83. Plastic. n/t
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:55 PM
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86. The Sham WOW
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:35 PM
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129. Mactatas is going to kick...your...ass!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:55 PM
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87. Sorry naysayers, but religion is a poisoning of the human mind and nothing more.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:38 PM
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98. no, it is a whole lot more than that.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:02 PM
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88. The accordion.
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EastTennesseeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:06 PM
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89. Leaf blowers
They piss me the hell off. Use a goddamn rake. I'm trying to talk to someone/read/watch TV. Goddammit.


Shit.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:00 PM
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92. But they make things look so good so quickly! If they could just make them quieter...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:43 PM
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114. Aaaaaargh! L-e-a-f b-l-o-w-e-r-s!
I used to live in a neighborhood of close-together apartment buildings in which all the groundskeepers used leaf blowers. The sound used to echo off the walls of the other buildings and appear to fill the whole known universe.

As one who works at home, I'd be assailed by the sound, and I could still hear it with my windows closed and my music turned up. I swear those bozos sometimes turned on those leaf blowers when there weren't any leaves just because they wanted to show how macho they were by making noise, and they couldn't quite afford a boom box car.

In the olden days, we used RAKES and BROOMS, neither of which caused noise pollution.

Rakes, brooms. They're still being sold in stores in every city in America. Try 'em sometimes. Your neighbors will thank you.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:01 PM
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93. Money
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:58 PM
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120. Congratulations, you are the winner of this thread.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:06 PM
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94. the electric panini press. n/t
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:14 PM
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95. I disagree with your assessment about religion
There are bad aspects to the way people interpret religion and people have done many bad things in the name of religion but one could argue religion in itself has also been responsible for a lot of good -in terms of social justice, providing assistance to the poor and needy, some of the great works of art and much, much more. There are many good people involved in the religious side of things and many of the goals and objectives promoted by all the world's religions emphasize peace, love, compassion and understanding.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it. We just happen to disagree on this one
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:26 PM
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96. The atom bomb.
Followed by even bigger bombs.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:30 PM
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97. Pit bulls!
Human beings bred them to be over-muscular killing machines whose jaws lock in and don't let go.

Sorry, but it's true! :shrug:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:11 PM
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99. Illinois. Sports for money. Tribalism of all forms. Entertainment "news". Artless douchebags.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:15 PM
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100. Property rights
Which led to a whole slew of social ills that haunt us still and ever will. Regardless of the "private incentives lead to public benefits" argument proprietarians wave like a team penant for them.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:17 PM
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101. The three ring binder.
I hated those as a kid. Because the rings would inevitably become mismatched, and your paper would start coming out all loose and disorganized, and sometimes fall all over the floor.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:34 PM
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104. The sock and awe game.
If you don't know, don't ask.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:35 PM
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105. Low Flow Toilets.
Just wrong.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:36 PM
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106. Round Nutter Butters
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:52 PM
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147. THAT...IS...JUST...
...SO...FUCKING...WRONG!!!!
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:22 PM
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110. work
:evilgrin:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:51 PM
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117. WORK is a dirty four letter word.
:evilgrin:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:44 PM
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115. Control top hosiery.
x(
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 04:11 PM
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119. Curry
God, the smell just makes me want to :puke:

also, dive computers, it changes your dive profile at every depth-time at depth change.
If the battery's go, you are in a world of hurt.
The old fashioned dive tables are MUCH safer, remember, Plan you dive, and dive your plan.
Course, the he-man-I'm a big guy doesn't plan for safety, they gotta show you that they are a 'He-Man'
You know the type, the deeper they go, the more they can show you what a 'daredevil' they are.

And the new certs, cave diving, deep diving with mixed gas (Very dangerous IMO).
But you can get certs in each...stupid to get them with the least amount of training allowed...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:04 PM
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121. The entire Industrial Revolution.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:25 PM
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125. The Republican Party
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:28 PM
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127. I'll answer this seriously: Nuclear power

Radioactive shit that can contaminate an area indefinitely? Bombs that can destroy the planet? Really, really, REALLY stupid idea.

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:41 PM
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130. high fructose corn syrup n/t
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:45 PM
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131. The New York Yankees
Fox News Channel


"Active Rock" radio


Nashville a&r departments


Alcohol-free beer

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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:52 PM
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133. Religion nt
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:58 PM
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135. dodge dart
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:24 PM
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140. Cheese food. nt
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Betty88 Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:25 PM
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142. mammograms nt
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 11:36 AM
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144. black censored bars
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 03:46 PM
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146. Tie: Religion, Atom Bomb.
Mix 'em together and see what happens.

:nuke:
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