Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I find myself wishing I could talk to my dad.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU
 
Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:44 PM
Original message
I find myself wishing I could talk to my dad.
We were never close, so this is weird.

He died a year ago Saturday when his ultralight plane crashed. It was a shock. In all that time that he was a pilot, the possibility of a crash never occurred to me.

I used to work for him. He ran a small imaging business (he started it in the late 70s as a microfilm records management company). We didn’t even become close when we worked together, but in his office we had the most important conversation we ever had when I came out to him. I’d never seen him so angry, but we parted that day with “I love yous.”

Christmas of ’07, just before he died, he sent his Christmas card addressed both to me and to Mrs. V. – for the first time. He had never acknowledged her existence before then, not even in a casual conversation.

I never had the chance (as we often say) to thank him, to talk to him about it. I want to know what changed. I’ll die not knowing what changed, and that hurts.

It hurts because, although he was very closed to emotion, he would talk about things if drawn out. I could usually do that. But it happened rarely.

I’d like to ask him what he thought of the Bush administration, although I think I know: he once sent me avocados from his tree, wrapped in newspaper. In the newspaper was a photo of Twig. My dad had drawn a moustache & beard on the loser. :) He had a mild, weird sense of humor. Like me.

I’d like to talk to him about his parents. His dad died of Parkinson’s in 1983; my Grandma died of Alzheimer’s October 27, 2006. He didn’t deal well with the dementia. I went with him to visit his dad once. His dad was saying things like, “we have to go get the tools back in the barn, it’s going to rain,” and my dad corrected him, saying “we’re not on the farm anymore, Dad.” I don’t know why he didn’t just go along with what his dad said.

When Grandma died, he told me and my sisters, “when I get like that, don’t put me in a home, just throw me in a ditch.” He would appreciate the humor in his burial site: it’s less than a hundred yards from a ditch.

It’s strange that he died just a few months after Grandma’s estate was settled. He got his house paid off, then died before he could enjoy the freedom.

He was only sixty-eight. News reports of the crash stated that an “elderly” solo pilot had died. My dad wasn’t elderly. That pissed me off. It doesn’t make me mad anymore because I now realize what passes for “elderly” in this country, and even though it’s a crock of shit, I’m calmer about it.

He was flawed. He made colossal, life-altering mistakes. He was not a good father. But there remains in me this wish to talk to him.

:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
1. My dear Bertha...
So talk to him, sweetie!

I don't know how you feel about life after death, but maybe, just maybe, his spirit is still near you...

Talk to him...

And may it bring you peace.

:hug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. It's a good concept, and I've tried.
What I long for is the give and take. I want answers to my questions, and I want to see the emotions his memories or beliefs evoke.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
2. Sometimes I think we have a greater connection.
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 04:12 PM by siligut
My father, about the same age, a long time twin engine pilot also died in an ultralight crash. I console myself sometimes, knowing he was doing what he loved. Also, he would even tell me he never wanted to lose his mind. He was brilliant and compassionate and I loved him very much.

What do I do when I miss him? Just like CalPeg suggested, I have both sides of the conversation. I have in the past, asked my older brother to be dad for a bit, when I have needed advice, he is a wonderful person too, but he just couldn’t do dad. Mom always said I was most like my father, I am no where near who he was, but I can imagine what he would say to me.

If you have ever seen The Heist with Gene Hackman, he has a scene where D.A. Freccia tells him: You're a pretty smart fella.
Hackman’s character responds: Ah, not that smart.
D.A. Freccia says: You're not that smart, how'd you figure it out?
He tells him: I tried to imagine a fella smarter than myself. Then I tried to think, "what would he do?"

That is sort of how I talk to my dad, it works.

Also, cool about the conversation when you came out to your dad, those can be the best conversations with non-emotive sorts like our dads.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. I'm sorry about your father.
Strange to lose someone that way, isn't it?

I've seen "The Heist" - great movie, but I don't remember the line.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. Yes.
Yes, we were all devastated, it happened so suddenly. Ultralights are not as safe as larger planes and their engines are not as reliable.

I am sorry for the loss of your father as well. I understand your desire for answers. Have you tried hypnosis? You can access information in this altered state more readily.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
3. I don't doubt you would wish to talk to him. Just because one parents
is not communicative doesn't mean we don't long to talk with them while they are alive. It would be doubly so when they have passed away.

Been a rough year for you Bertha. Here is to a much, much happier 2009.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. It has indeed, and I'll drink to that.
Thank you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
8. you've learned what all people need to learn
that we can love people in all their flawed humanity.

I think you can talk to your dad. And you may never hear his voice again, but I'm pretty sure he'll find a way to talk to you too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC