charlie and algernon
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Tue May-19-09 09:08 PM
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Anyone watch Deadliest Warrior on Spike? |
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Edited on Tue May-19-09 09:11 PM by charlie and algernon
a couple computer geeks pit different warriors that have been seperated either by different time or location. they test their different weapons and then enter all the data into a computer to determine the winner out of 1000 battles.
Of the ones I've seen the following warriors have won their battles:
Iroquis over Gladiator Pirate over Knight NY mob over Japanese Mob Russian Spetznez over American Green Barrett
The episode now is pitting China's Shaolin Monks against the New Zealand Maori Warriors.
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Tue May-19-09 09:11 PM
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charlie and algernon
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Tue May-19-09 09:16 PM
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the only problem I see is that in group battles, it just ends up coming down to the special hand to hand weapons. Why not just have those two face off to begin with if that's all that's going to matter.
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Tue May-19-09 11:06 PM
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8. I believe they script a battle with just the winner related to the computer sim |
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i.e. most of the simulation numbers actually show the short range weapons rarely get used, but the scripted for TV battles need to show off all the weapons featured.
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Tue May-19-09 09:19 PM
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It looks like the Shaolin weaponry is going to make the difference in this episode.
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Tue May-19-09 09:27 PM
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4. yeah, they're pretty bad ass |
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Edited on Tue May-19-09 09:27 PM by charlie and algernon
that last guy just took out a guys eyes, then continued to turn a head into swiss cheese with the eyes still on the knives. :wtf: :puke:
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Tue May-19-09 09:51 PM
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5. Next week: William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu. |
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Fucking brilliant. :headbang:
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charlie and algernon
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Tue May-19-09 10:24 PM
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7. yeah, that looks awsome |
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though i'd almost rather they just pit Wallace's Scottish army vs. Zulu's army. That way they could get into comparing their tactics and strategy.
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Tue May-19-09 10:16 PM
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6. I did that in third grade with comic book characters, but no one thought it was cool. |
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I was so way ahead of my time.
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Tue May-19-09 11:07 PM
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9. The methodology of the show is pure shit but I love watching it for... |
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The weapon demonstrations and usually really well put together fight scenes.
That said, as someone who runs simulations for a living, the way they decide winners is a pure joke.
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Tue May-19-09 11:17 PM
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13. what would be the better way to determining the winner? |
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Tue May-19-09 11:39 PM
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14. Well, 1000 simulations is small potatoes |
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Especially as they have had multiple shows where wins have been decided by under 10% of the vote. 10,000 itinerations at minimum--or, at the very least, if a win is decided by under 100 kills they rerun it the base 1000 times and do it best 2 out of 3. Essentially, there's too much random flux in that small a sample based on random simulation.
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Take last week. The result was decided by "7 kills outside the standard deviation". That was used to justify declaring a winner when the results were essentially tied. His statement is nonsense--one standard deviation only accounts for about 2/3 results in normalized testing. Honestly, when you use random numbers for testing you keep running simulations for larger and larger test runs until the results are consistently in one direction or another.
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Obviously I don't think the show should show them rerunning the simulations, but I would like to see "After x runs at 10,000 trials, the monk consistently wins about 70% of the time."
On a less numbers wonky note, the squad battles that feature 5 on 5 fights for some reason post results as if it were a 1 on 1 battle (i.e. total kills add up to 1000 instead of the 5000 to 9000 that should happen.). Just a bit odd.
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Tue May-19-09 11:10 PM
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10. Its a good show, just watched |
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both the ones they showed tonight the Beret vs. Spetnatz, and Maori vs. Shaolin....also, it was actually the Apache vs. Gladiator. :D
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Tue May-19-09 11:11 PM
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11. There was one more, the Viking vs. Samurai |
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I've watched like the first half three times, but always got sidetracked with other issues, and never found out who got the nod.
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Tue May-19-09 11:14 PM
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12. haha, I saw that one too, but never saw who won either |
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ended up having to run out right before the final battle.
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Wed May-20-09 12:10 AM
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15. It's an interesting show, but their methodology has HUGE flaws. |
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My biggest problem is though, is that dead is dead. If your major weapon causes a huge wound that would cause someone to bleed out in seconds, and the next person's weapon causes slightly more damage, there might be statistical difference but there is no practical difference. Dead is dead.
I had a big problem with the Spartan vs Ninja episode. Not the result, mind you, but the method used in gathering their stats. When testing the weapons they used martial arts experts who have been using the Ninjas' weaponry for years. Therefore, they are incredibly skilled and proficient with the weapons (probably more so than actual ninjas). For the Spartans though, they used a "weapons expert" (who the hell knows what that means) and had him using weapons that he more than likely hadn't been practicing with for years (like a shield). Obviously, a real Spartan would be VERY familiar and VERY skilled with all the weapons and would be able to use them far more effectively than the "weapons expert".
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