OK....here is a serious appliance question...

[LeftyFingerPop]

My gas stove crapped out, so I am going to switch to an electric.

I am going to need to drop a 220 outlet for this.

Do I put the box on the floor, with the outlet facing up?

Also, does it matter where I put it...ie....in the center or toward the left or right?

Stupid questions I know....nut I never had an electric stove...

Thanks...

[Inchworm]

1. Low on wall- as centered as you can

That's how I've seen electricians do it. (hint, hint)

:hi:

[LeftyFingerPop]

2. The wall is masonry, so it will be a pain in the ass...

I'm figuring if I can center the box on the hardwood floor, I can simply drill through the floor for the cable, and it will fall real close to the service box...

But you are right, 220 may be worth calling the electrician for. I have installed a million 15 and 20 amp outlets, but that 40 amp shit can kill ya!

:hi:

[Inchworm]

3. Not sure.. but.. it just seems...

Well here.

-queues throbbing music bass-

Cast:
Kenny - a curious dude
Janis - a hawt chick

The scene begins with Kenny and Janis ripping each other's clothes off in the living room when a loud hiss is heard from the kitchen

Kenny poofs out chest and goes to investigate. Janis swoons.

Kenny screams a blood curdling scream from the bowels of his .. well, his bowels were involved as he died a horrible death

Janis squeals: They killed Kenny!!!

The end.

Turns out the cold water pipe broke on the main sink and flooded the kitchen with 1/2 an inch of water. Some brainiac used a jumper to fix a weak breaker days before.

:silly:

[LeftyFingerPop]

4. Uh...

:rofl:

[Inchworm]

6. And.. that is why

I'd put a 220 receptacle on the wall.

:patriot:

:rofl:

[mwooldri]

8. What abour a surface run instead...

... if you're bring the cable from under the floor, bring it close to the wall, and then in a conduit bring the cable up a bit to a surface mounted outlet? Sure the stove won't go back so far but it'll work.

220? I've handled 240v single phase no problem, since that's the UK electric system 220-240v 50 hz - but all electric can kill you - it's not the voltage, it's the current. The 110v is supposedly less lethal because 110v at 15 amp is not as powerful as 240v at 13amp. However the 220v circuit for stoves, dryers etc is not single phase; it's 3 phase.

I suppose you could do the hard work of running the cables neatly to code in nice conduits and then call out the electrician to do the necessary hookup. Plus if you don't have it you'll need the appropriate circuit in your breaker box.

[LeftyFingerPop]

10. Well, here's my question...

My gas stove is essentially "hollow at the back...in other words...a big open space where the gas line is, etc. Do electric stoves look the same way, or do they have a "solid" back, like a refrigerator?

[mwooldri]

15. Last 2 electric stoves I had were solid back.

Then again I have the cheap-ass stoves. Some though - those which have a bottom drawer - have the bottom left a bit open, because you need to put that cable somewhere and it isn't a slimline cable now.

[jmowreader]

49. If you run a range off 40 amp service it really will kill you

As in "house fire." Ranges need 50 amps.

[Ohio Joe]

5. Noooooooo

Electric stoves suck in comparison to gas ones, I hate them! Stick with gas!

[LeftyFingerPop]

7. In what way? I like the flat surface of the cooking range...

Let me know your thoughts please...

[mwooldri]

11. I prefer gas because ...

1) Gas is instant heat; you have to wait for electric to heat up.
2) If you have an older-fashioned gas grill/broiler/whatever you call it here/... you get a very different cooking result compared to electric heat (toast from a gas grill is 100x better than anything electric, but I love me some coal-fire texas toast!)
3) Power cuts. No power, no cooking! If you're on mains gas then it could go out. If you have your own tank, then your gas supply is limited to what you have in the tank.
4) Greener. That electric has to come from somewhere, and usually it's that wonderful coal powered station. Gas burns cleaner, less co2 and is overall more efficient for cooking.

I do however in my case right now have electric because that's all I can afford and we have no mains gas here and we can't afford a tank set up.

Mark.

[LeftyFingerPop]

13. Good points Mark...

Thanks a lot...might have to rethink this.

[DeepBlueC]

22. also when you need to turn the heat down FAST

say if something is about to or already boiling over, gas responds INSTANTLY. With electric you have to wait for the temp to go down. Usuaslly you have to take the pot off the burner until it does. Gas is the way to go.

[mwooldri]

24. Is cost a consideration?

I know gas stoves don't come up that much at the thrift stores but they do! I remember a few years ago I was trying to get a cheap dryer for our first home (yeah rented but still first home)... didn't have the money to buy new but dryer was urgently needed. I went to Sally Army and got me a dryer. Unbeknownst to me, it was a gas dryer. Took it back next day, told them what happened, they did do a swap for an electric one, even though their policy was "all sales final"... because that sally army had a rule of not selling gas appliances. I know Habitat do have the occasional gas come through.

If cost is not a consideration then I'd go gas if you can. You're used to it, plus what you'd save by buying the electric you'd lose in the new wiring. Plus the gas is cheaper to run than the electric. My parents have electric everything except gas stove, and their "standing charge" for supplying gas service the biggest part of the gas bill (utility companies generally charge £X for providing service and £Y for unit of energy used in UK).

[LeftyFingerPop]

32. Cost is probably not a consideration since...

I will not be buying a high end model...middle of the road for me.

[MajorChode]

16. Most serious cooks prefer gas

Flat cooktops (especially glass) don't conform well to some pans. You generally have less control over the heat except for high end induction models that have their own set of pros and cons. Many electric stoves can't generate the heat you can get with gas.

[LeftyFingerPop]

19. Another good point...

Thanks....

[mwooldri]

27. Look in all the professional kitchens. Nothing but gas! nt

[LeftyFingerPop]

30. True, that!

[Ohio Joe]

18. The flat surfaces I find the worst

In general, they work different and take a lot of getting used to... even if you know what to expect. With a gas flame, you know the heat, how hot it is, when it is there and when it is not. Not so with an electric stove, they take longer to heat up and MUCH longer to cool down. So, when that pot of water starts boiling and you turn down the heat... give it a few minutes at least before it has the same effect as when you turn down the heat on a gas stove. Turn it on and wait... and wait... and wait... for it to get hot... then it is too hot... or not hot enough but you waited ten minutes to find that out.

I swear, the first time I went from gas to electric and was told this, I thought, oh yeah, I can adjust... but nooooooo.

I love to cook and a gas stove, I can look at the flame and know if it is what I want or not... Electric, never been able to figure it out, I just can't go by low, medium or high.

As for Flat tops, they get stained dirty wicked easily and are wicked hard to clean/keep clean. I have one now where I'm staying and I hate the thing.

I had gas (stove, hehe) for my first 30 years and electrics for the last 16 and I have not been able to adjust, cooking is now like a wrestling match with the stove.

[LeftyFingerPop]

21. I really appreciate your opinion...

This will help me make a decision.

[Kali]

33. gas for the top, electric for the oven is really nice

[LeftyFingerPop]

34. Yet another option...

I have some research to do...:hi: :hug:

[Ohio Joe]

35. They make those?

I would go for that, the oven does not cause me any issues and I've always been able to cook fine with the oven part of the electric stoves.

[Kali]

37. higher end or as separate components.

which is nice because then you can mount the oven up higher. A wall mount oven (or two!) is really nice if you do a lot of cooking. My parent's house has one with the stove top on the other side of the kitchen (unfortunatly it is all electric, but the oven is NICE)

[Ohio Joe]

39. Sweet

Even though it has only been me and my cat the last 16 years, I cook for at least 10 :D A lot of the stuff I do works great as left overs... the flavor is usually better the next day :9

[amerikat]

40. As someone who loves to cook......

Stick with the gas. Electric has way to many drawbacks.

[TommyO]

45. Unless you go induction, then electric rocks!

[Ohio Joe]

46. Whats that?

I've never heard of induction.

[TommyO]

50. The Induction Site has a lot of information

http://theinductionsite.com/

I'm seriously contemplating the Kenmore freestanding induction range to replace my old radiant glass cooktop.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02299913000P?fa=KenmoreShowcaseProduct

[MajorChode]

9. You don't really want to put the outlet on the floor if you can help it

It could get rather problematic if your dishwasher overflows or your water pipes burst, and it probably doesn't conform to code in most areas. You can mount a 110 outlet in the floor, but this is usually in dry environments which excludes bathrooms and kitchens.

For an in-cabinet stove, there's usually enough clearance to mount the outlet to the wall, even if you have to mount it to a masonry wall and not flush. However, some ranges have a convection fan which might get in the way, so it's best to mount the outlet off-center in either direction if you can't do a flush mount.

[LeftyFingerPop]

12. Ah, good point....

did not think of potential flooding...

Thank you.

[Inchworm]

14. Dude!

That is what killed Kenny!

:D

[LeftyFingerPop]

17. Gotcha....

See, I live in a world where nothing goes wrong, except for last month, when my fucking kitchen flooded! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Gawd I'm such a dumb ass sometimes...

[MajorChode]

20. Also it's best to decide what range you want before you install the wiring

The range will include a diagram that shows the dimensions and clearances.

[LeftyFingerPop]

25. I'm really hoping that the slide in's are a standard width?

[mwooldri]

28. Stoves are standard width - gas or electric.

Though they're bigger here in America.

[LeftyFingerPop]

29. Thanks...I have the manual for the old one...

that shows exact dimensions...so I will just compare to make sure.

[MajorChode]

31. Some are different, but most are designed for a 30" opening

[crispini]

23. Stick with gas!

They make some very nice Kenmore gas stoves with kind of a flat grill surface all the way across. Very nice, I've never seen them before.

Gas is more better! :D

[LeftyFingerPop]

26. I'll check them out...thanks!

[Kali]

36. tightwad do-it-yourselfer here

whats wrong with your old one? there isn't much to a gas stove - its a metal box with a couple parts that aren't that hard to fix. Then again they can get pretty gross and replacement has its advantages over cleaning old grease in the crevices :rofl:

[LeftyFingerPop]

38. I don't want to fuck with it...

It's a long story....has to do with an unfortunate placement of a cold air return by my contractor in 1991...long story...

Oven doesn't turn on...ignitors don't work....fuck it :beer:

[Kali]

42. yeah I'm fighting my stove.

it was a consumer reports rec, but the oven has never worked right. One of its three main parts could be the problem but SURPRISE they each cost about $100 plus shipping and you know when you start replacing to figure out what is actually wrong it will be the last thing...and a new stove that hasn't had all the insulation stolen by mice is only a around 500. bleh.

I do like the pilotless ignition, though. When it gets as hot as it did today I used to be able to feel those little flames from across the room!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. I would love to have a gas stovetop...really.

I can dream can't I...........

[kath]

43. Don't do it! Gas stove is much better - probably not a serious cook out there who prefers electric

[HopeHoops]

44. Electric stoves SUCK - fuck that noise.

Electric stoves are for boiling water and making mac&cheese. That's about it. The make some KICK ASS gas stoves these days - get a really good one!

[Flying Dream Blues]

47. Another vote for gas. Those flat surfaces only serve to remind me that apparently

all my pans are NOT perfectly flat. Therefore, everything cooks unevenly. I can't wait to ditch my flat electric for a good gas stove! Good luck whichever way you go, though!
:hi:

[NJmaverick]

48. Why are you switching to electric?

[mnhtnbb]

51. Oooh. Don't switch. I pulled gas to the kitchen in this house because

it's so much better for cooking.

Take a look at all the options for gas stoves

http://www.ajmadison.com/b.php/Gas%3BRanges/N~25+4294965554

I bought a 5 burner Jenn-Air from this website for our kitchen and I love it.