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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:09 AM
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Friend Has Been to 3 Doctors Who Have No Idea Whats Wrong w/him (No Insurance)
Just spoke to a friend of mine who's partner has been sick. He has been to three different Doctors and they can not find anything wrong with him. Keep in mind, this guy has no insurance and has to pay out of his pocket. He says he walks short distances like out to the mailbox or in the grocery store and feels exhausted afterwords. He also says his leg and arm muscles are usually sore afterwords. He describes them as Muscle spasms.All Doctors checked his heart,did blood work, and say it's stress related. I suggested some medical health boards and forums for him and also suggested he see a specialist.

My question is, does anyone know if any hospitals take patients on a fixed income? I have heard some charge you depending on your income and was curious if anyone here knew more about that.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:23 AM
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1. Is he near these free clinics?
http://www.americaresfreeclinics.org/

Here's the link to income eligibility: http://www.americaresfreeclinics.org/patients/eligibility.html

That's assuming he's also in CT. I went by your profile.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:32 AM
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2. Hey Thanks!
Yes, he is in Connecticut.I suggested UCONN. Can't recall off the top of my head but I thought they use to offer some help. Luckily, I have insurance. For a while there I didn;t and I knew exactly what is was like to speculate and to try and diagnose yourself online. This couple has had so much rotten luck lately, I would just like to help them some how. Thanks again for the links!
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:05 AM
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3. perhaps he's seeing the wrong kind of doctor
After three tries with GPs or Internists and no positive diagnosis, I'd start to wonder if maybe the condition is not organic but psychiatric. Do these symptoms occur when the exercise is solitary and indoors (climbing stairs or walking on a treadmill)?

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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:11 AM
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4. I'm Not Sure
I know he said he went to Wal-Mart yesterday and he went in for 7 or 8 minutes and came out and was so exhausted and sore all over.This has been going on for about a month and he has shelled out about $400 seeing Doctors.I am surprised not one of the Doctors recommended a specialist or had some test done.Its been so bad he is having trouble driving.All I know is what his partner tells me.He also has trouble sleeping from it.Of course, at this point he is going online looking for answers,which I think will only worry him.I have some ideas but feel there is no use in disclosing with him my personal feelings.Why worry him?I'm not a Doctor.Only advice I gave was to find a clinic that he could go have himself checked out in that he can afford.I think that should be his priority.Thanks for your advice.
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:23 PM
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5. they aren't ordering tests because he has no insurance and they know
that the hospitals or out patient facilities may refuse to do an MRI or CT Scan as a result.

If this person doesn't have insurance and qualifies for Medicaid then he needs to get on Medicaid.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:30 PM
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6. Not only that, they don't want it to be a "preexisting condition" in case he does get insurance
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:32 PM
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7. you would think so but I had a friend inform me that even though she was paying
a doctor cash to keep her visits "off record" an insurance company later refused her based on those visits. She was both irate and despondent to find out that they could get that information.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:05 PM
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9. Thanks
Hey thanks for responses. I'll be sure to pass them on. I hate hearing about people's medical horror stories. These are the sweetest people you will ever meet and this guy is usually pretty healthy. About a month ago he just wasn't feeling right and it has not changed. Anyways, thanks for the advice!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 04:39 PM
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12. well of course they can
just because you pay cash doesn't mean it's anonymous. and most doctors aren't in the business of defrauding insurance companies or altering patient files.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:02 PM
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8. Any mention of tick-borne evil-ness? (Lyme, Ehrlichiosis, Babesiosis...)
Good news/bad news: The good news is that living in CT, your friend has a better chance of finding a doctor who has a clue and can hopefully (appropriately) rule out these vector-borne nasties. The bad news is that living in CT, your friend has a better chance of being infected with the classic L/E/B (Lyme, Ehrlichiosis/Babesiosis) "Stump the Doctor" symptoms that can be devastating.

I grew up in Dutchess County, and everyone who lives on that road (I was born in CT, so I'm right on the NY/CT border - when I'm there, that is) has suffered serious illness from tick-borne infection - some requiring surgery, some bedridden, one nearly died (Mom). Prior to her final diagnosis (She's been infected with all three) that nearly cost her her life, she was one of those "mystery" symptom patients - that the doctors eventually took seriously after her 4th heart attack (she's not supposed to have these - she's fit, has an indecently healthy diet, is agile and mobile for her age, but the heart attacks are only one of her many problems.

At present time, both my brother and uncle are being evaluated for long-term undiagnosed Lyme,etc., as they (we) all have what I've come to recognize as the most significant clue for these diseases - physician confusion. This is followed by delay, frustration, and a multitude of "there's nothing wrong, all your tests came back negative." Another key that it could be the tick's fault, not "all in your head" - another favorite explanation.

Having lived in the epicenter of the infestation of these diseases - sadly before anyone was aware how seriously to take it (strike that - it's still a taboo/invisible problem for some reason that consensus seems to just want to say, "not my problem", and the answer "I don't know" from one's doctor is license for him/her to drop the issue/investigation/treatment or capacity to perhaps pick up a journal or two.

Luckily, my brother and uncle live in states where this problem is at least recognized, and sometimes taken seriously. I, unfortunately, do not - and the mention of Lyme disease is met with a subtle frown, loss of eye contact, shaking of head, all of which translates as writing the suggestion off.

The bulls-eye rash as a requirement for diagnosis is nothing short of bull. My mother never had one, and the one tick I was "fortunate" enough to find - unfortunately engorged, though, was on my scalp. Having thick dark hair, what's the likelihood of my noticing a bulls-eye?

Sorry for the diatribe, but having seen my mother nearly die, have years of subsequent, serious health problems, half my family members (those who ever spent time at/near our house) as well as the few but unilaterally compromised neighbors - I get scared when I hear someone describe "mystery symptoms" in someone who resides in epidemic (and worse) areas.

Mice, not deer, are the more dangerous host... how often do you find deer droppings in your silverware drawer or have your cat present you with a "gift" of half a doe under your comforter.... Deer don't nest in your basement or creep around your cupboards. Ticks have a 2 year cycle - winter isn't tick-proof.

I hope your friend is okay - and I hope beyond hope that his doctors figure out what's wrong - and that it is anything but infection from a tick.

Obviously, my opinions are just that - but I've come to have them from years of historical eye-witness data and experience that is very different with the aid of hindsight, as well as dogged, mind-numbing amounts of research initially begun to help my mother live, but offered me a sense of what a pesky quagmire these vector-borne devils are and how insane the divergent experts and studies are... I would bet my right arm that the notion of untreated infection is not curable. Period. "Your Lyme test is negative today, Mrs. _____, so your debilitating symptoms are not my concern. I'm sure you're just over-stressed, you've GOT to stop having those heart attacks - you're bringing them on yourself.... I know you've been admitted to the ICU and ED many times, but really, there's nothing wrong with you - certainly not L/E/B - you tested negative this time! Why don't I give you an anti-anxiety... that will help you take "control" of your physical symptoms very well."

I can only wonder the number of people who've been saddled with psychological diagnoses, cardiac disease, neurological disorders, myriad arthritic diseases, pain, what have you ---- yet those darn, persnickety "mystery symptoms" that come and go (which is not playing by the medical book rules, and therefore _wrong_ or psychosomatic... when the massive study, attention, research and acknowledgment of this debilitating epidemic should have been a champion cause of alert doctors... maybe it wouldn't be getting exponentially worse and exponentially invisible.

It ruins one's ability to enjoy the tickle of grass under bare feet. Or picking daffodils. Or teaching your daughter to fish. Or seeing some deer or a mouse and cringing reflexively.

I know people are tiring of my adamant rants on this, but in my view, it's no different that playgrounds and schools full of fluffy asbestos and poisons that we love having our children romp around on and play, only to have mystified doctors develop a "vaccine" or standard of care that is neither curative or helpful but a temporary masking of greater problems - and they know it.

I probably shouldn't post this, but - having just looked at my macro images of the tick I removed from my mother's shoulder recently (that her Infectious Disease doctor informed her was NOT a deer tick - while not telling her what sort of tick it WAS, then) and comparing my magnified images to every single image I can find - there is only one tick this monster could be, unless it's one of those "unidentified" ticks that look exactly like deer ticks but - even though they're identical and live in epidemic regions, are somehow not a threat... I feel like the Fugitive or something.... it's insane!

A doctor should never dismiss a tick in Duchess County, The Hudson Valley, Western CT, Eastern NY, actually any tick within the cluster of states in the northeast. If the tick is identical to a deer tick, is fully attached and found on someone who lives at Ground Zero of this plague - its a big deal. So I'm a little irritated. I'd be happy to post my close-up of this monster if any entomologists (or bug enthusiasts) want to take a crack at identifying it (sans microscope, I know... I know....)

Please just ask your friend if tick-borne disease has been thoroughly (and adequately) ruled out. For his sake, I sure hope so.....

please accept my apologies. The whole issue and what it's done to my family is extremely frustrating.

Take care.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 02:03 PM
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10. Sounds like he should have a heart-stress test, like treadmill n/t
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 02:18 PM
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11. DOctor
Doctor said his heart was fine. Of course, I thought it might be swine flu at first,but his partner is okay.Exhaustion and aching muscles is usually a sign or a virus or the flu.Its been 4 weeks,so I would rule that out.Not happy with their attitude. It's like they are just giving up. Been to 3 Doctors so they feel there is nothing more to do. His partner has this"I'll have to learn to live with it" attitude,which concerns me.The fact that neither of them have insurance is a real downer.They said to me not long ago,that they have no money hardly and if they get sick and it's too expensive they fear what may happen. Everyone know a day has a story like this and it makes me so angry when I think about the GOP and how we need a health care plan for everyone.
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