I have H1N1. I might have to fly. Any tips to keep it contained?

[Taverner]

Like, literally - should I wear a face mask? Gloves?

I really don't want to infect anyone, but I need to get home

[charlie and algernon]

1. think bubble boy

or balloon boy, whichever is easier.

[KamaAina]

2. Is there a big meeting of repukes near where you are?

Try and get on their flight. :evilgrin:

[Capn Sunshine]

33. +1

lol

[KamaAina]

34. Turns out he's in Portland

so there probably isn't. :(

[Sebastian Doyle]

82. Yeah, but there are a lot of Freeper areas in Oregon.

Or just over the bridge in Clark county Washington, for that matter. :evilgrin:

[MilesColtrane]

3. Two words: cargo hold

You might want to bring a jacket.

(Seriously, I hope you feel better.)

[Fire Walk With Me]

4. Be the first person seated. Sit in the first row, aisle seat.

Spray disinfectant liberally upon each and every passenger entering the plane.

(The Surgeon General should hire me, I'm telling ya.)

[Taverner]

5. So what you're telling me is...everyone on that plane will end up sick...

no matter what I do??

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. At least they'll be disinfected. Tell them to count their blessings. Sheesh.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. DO NOT FLY.

The virus is airborne and highly contagious. You could expose everyone on that plane, including the crew. Wait until you no longer have symptoms.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

9. Plus one!

is getting home right now that important that you would risk infecting hundreds of people who will go on to infect how many more people???? Stay where you are until you are well.

[Taverner]

12. I can't do that, unless you want to pay for my hotel room

I don't have endless cash to stay here in Portland - I have to get home

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

27. Portland Oregon or Portland Maine?

Hotel costs could vary wildly. You really can't fly and I'm hoping that enough DU'ers would be willing to help with the cause. I am. You got a paypal account?

[LynneSin]

104. I'd have to agree with that

I mean we may not be able to get the Ritz Carlton but we could find someplace reasonable to help him out

[charlie and algernon]

16. in all seriousness, I agree, Do Not Fly

Kids are still dying from this flu and there WILL be kids on that plane. Stay grounded till you get better, or get a rental car and drive home.

[Taverner]

21. Neither is an option

I'll wear a mask, but I can't stay grounded

I'm not rich, you see...

[TZ]

26. TSA will not let you on the plane.

I'm dead serious on this.

[Zavulon]

77. Another vote for "do not fly."

If someone infected you and another couple hundred people because "I need to get home," you wouldn't be happy at all. I don't know if you would accept it as an excuse, but I certainly wouldn't. Your needs do not supersede those of a full plane of people.

[Mojambo]

7. There is no way to contain it on a plane.

You cannot fly without fucking over everyone in that aircraft.

[Shell Beau]

8. I think you need to wait it out.

Don't risk infecting others. I hope you feel better soon.

[Taverner]

10. I can't stay in Portland indefinitely

I'll take my chances with the face mask if I have to

[Shell Beau]

17. But you aren't taking any chances. You are making the

other passengers take chances. The wait shouldn't be that long. Just a few days.

[Taverner]

18. Not if I wear a mask

Besides, I'm not rich

I'm a nice guy but my niceness only goes so far

[Shell Beau]

19. Well good luck.

I hope it doesn't spread.

Just don't breathe on the flight. That should work. ;)

[Missy Vixen]

52. Really?

>I'm a nice guy but my niceness only goes so far<

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. How would you feel if you were exposed to H1N1 by someone who "just had to get home"? How will you feel if someone on that flight dies because you just had to fly while ill?

Rent a damn car or stay there. Do not expose everyone on an airliner to your illness.

[Common Sense Party]

51. Rent a car. Don't make everyone else take chances.

There are other people's lives to consider here.

[Blue Diadem]

11. I believe our Dr's office had a sign out that said if you thought you had it to wear a mask .

I found this at the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/sick.htm

What should I do while I’m sick?

Stay away from others as much as possible to keep from making them sick. If you must leave home, for example to get medical care, wear a facemask if you have one, or cover coughs and sneezes with a tissue. And wash your hands often to keep from spreading flu to others.

Are airlines taking any special precautions yet? You might want to discuss it with them too.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. Sorry Taverner...

For having it and telling you you can't fly.

Don't do it.

[Taverner]

15. Not an option

I can't stay in Portland indefinitely - unless someone wants to pay my hotel bill

[Drunken Irishman]

20. Bummer...

And you can't rent a car and drive home?

[Taverner]

23. 11 hour drive from Portland to San Francisco

Not in the state I'm in...

[KamaAina]

29. Amtrak?

There'd still be other people around, of course, but there isn't the closed air circulation you'd find on a plane. Maybe you could get a seat by yourself way in the back or something.

[ismnotwasm]

22. Don't fly

If that's truly impossible, keep hand sanitizer close by and use it liberally. Keep your hands away from your face. Don't cough or sneeze in the air. Don't wipe your hands on anything. A mask is better than nothing, but useless if you put in on and off and leave on some surface, like the seat next to you, or the pull down tray. Also useless if you're coughing a lot. Bring your own food Stay as far away from little ones as possible, because they're the ones dying from the flu right now. Try not to use the bathroom, and use as little of the bathroom surfaces as possible. Bring sani-wipes to it wipe it down if you do. Wash your hands.

Best thing is not to fly until you're symptom free.

[NJmaverick]

24. Don't fly, there is no better way to spread the disease than flying while sick

if you are willing to risk the health of all the other passengers, at least wear a surgical mask.

[TZ]

25. You won't be allowed on the plane most likely

Anyone who has flu like symptoms is getting stopped. Be prepared for that. An airplane is a germ breeding ground

[suninvited]

28. call the airlines and ask them if they will even allow you to fly

I am thinking the answer is no.

You don't know who all will be on that flight. You could be risking the life of someone else.

[TZ]

30. +1,000

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

31. So fellow Du'ers

I'm willing to chip in for Taverner's hotel stay in Portland. Anybody else want to chip in?

Taverner, do you have a paypal account?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

35. I can help!

How much is it per night?

:hi:

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

37. Let us know taverner

I know the Holiday Inn Express out by the airport will run you about 90 bucks a night.

Anybody else willing to help?

[Taverner]

41. It's not that I can pay if I have to - but I shouldn't have to

Put it this way, I would rather drive 11 hours than stay in a hotel

[vadawg]

43. okay so your willing to put others at risk just because you dont want to stay in a hotel

not sure what to make of this, what about unplugging the respirator of your neighbour so you can plug in your toaster cause this seems to be very similar to what you are saying...

[Taverner]

44. As long as I wear a mask and gloves, everyone should be fine

And yes, I do plan on wearing them

[TZ]

45. Were did you get your medical degree

Most masks aren't great protection from H1N1. DO NOT fly. I really hope TSA hauls your selfish ass off that plane. People with highly infectious diseases aren't supposed to fly!

[Name removed]

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[vadawg]

46. are you sure that everyone will be %100 safe, when i deal with communicable diseases

even with all the precautions we are told that we are never %100 safe and to be aware of the signs. I personally dont think you should fly just to be on the safe side,

[stray cat]

68. Most masks don't work but there are some that have a special filter that police and medics use

[Taverner]

69. When working at AIDS hospices, the mask was essential

You don't want to get them sick - but we never did

[Krakowiak]

81. wow, that's extremely selfish of you

[Deep13]

84. "Shouldn't have to?"

WTF does that mean? I doesn't matter that you shouldn't have to. You do have to. That's what matters.

[PVnRT]

32. Well, exhaustion comes with the flu; I'm not sure you'll have the energy to flap your arms

[yawnmaster]

36. Don't fly. How do you know its H1N1? eom

[Taverner]

38. I don't - the doctor said mom and kids had it, but didn't run any tests

So it could be Garden Variety Flu - but according to others here, if the doc said it was, then it was

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

39. So you came on here and told everyone you had the swineflu

without any scientific evidence to support that and got everyone all riled up about your possibly infecting a plane full of people with said virus? You've been in Portland too long, smoking their funny stuff!

:mad: :smoke:

[Taverner]

40. Well perhaps :) But I'm just doing what people are telling me

The doc told wifey "you and the kids have h1n1" - personally I would consider that gross negligence, but many here on DU thought there's no need for a test, it won't do you any good anyway, and the doc's probably right

Right now I am seriously considering seeing another doctor, and not leaving until I get a Tamiflu prescription.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

42. Good idea

and if you do have it, I know an old alcoholic that lives in Wilsonville who wouldn't mind putting you up for a while. He wouldn't remember any of it anyway.

[Gormy Cuss]

47. If you don't want to infect anyone you'll stay put until your fever has been gone for 24 hours.

That's the CDC recommendation and the fever needs to disappear on its own, not because you loaded up with OTC preparations.

Otherwise you may as well wear a sign that says
"Hi, I'm Taverner and I've got something to share with you all today."

[NightWatcher]

49. drink lots of alcohol.....alcohol kills germs, right?

just fly and cover if you cough. carry and use hand sanitizer LIBERALLY each time you have to touch your face, sneeze, or cough.

odds are someone(or a dozen someones elses) else has it on the flight and doesnt even know it

[latebloomer]

50. As someone who is immuno-compromised

I can tell you that face masks do little to protect anyone.

[mikita]

53. I have to wonder why you asked....?

you seem determined to fly come hell or high water..... :shrug:

[Orrex]

54. Ride on the outside of the plane

And say hi to William Shatner for me.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

56. Fucking LOL if I ever saw it

He shoots, he scores!

[datasuspect]

88. this is probably the funniest thing i have ever read on DU outside of my own posts.

[stray cat]

55. If vaccination is a choice - trying to fly home should be as well

I was just getting sick on the way back from Europe - coughed all the way on the flight. Got to NYC and 10% of the population had already had H1N1 so no one much cared if there was one more contagent. H1N1 is widespread - if you want to avoid it get vaccinated.

[Taverner]

58. I would love to - too bad I didn't in time - of course I may not even have it

But people are freaking out about this - it's an airborne virus. One that can be easily contained as long as I take proper precautions

BTW - after speaking with the TSA and the airline there is no restriction against flying

[auntAgonist]

59. Air Transport Assoc. says, Airlines have authority, deny passenger... etc

http://www.airlines.org/H1N1+Frequently+Asked+Questions.htm

Q: Will airlines prohibit passengers from boarding if they have swine flu or flu-like symptoms?

A: Generally, airlines will not ban passengers due to health issues. However, each airline has the authority to deny boarding to passengers who might pose a threat to the safe operation of the aircraft or the overall safety of other passengers and crew members. This includes people who are medically unstable and/or have a serious communicable disease that could be transmitted to others on board. The decision to deny boarding is made on a case-by-case basis, in accordance with well-established airline procedures consistent with Department of Transportation regulations.

[stray cat]

65. They are not screening but if you look acutely ill they might decide not to have you board

if you appear mobile they will probably let you fly in the US - the virus is already widespread and people in the airport and in airplanes have already been exposed to the virus as people shed it before they feel ill.

[auntAgonist]

57. IF you have H1N1 then you MUST be responsible and NOT

fly. You could infect someone with an immune compromised system and contribute to severe illness OR death of that person. You first of all have to find out if you have the swine flu and then be responsible enough to deal with it by staying put. So what if you don't like staying in a hotel? Suck it up. People have offered help, you say you don't need it. So get a room and stay. Do not be selfish. Consider other people.

I can't imagine why you have to ask for advice on what to do. Be an adult, that's my best advice. Stay grounded and do get well soon.

aA
kesha

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

60. could you rent a car and drive?

is that an option?

[TK421]

61. Try not to fly, if at all possible

I won't tell you to stay the fuck home and keep your miserable condition to yourself....but if flying is out of the question, look to other transportation please.

[Skittles]

62. it would be completely irresponsible of you to fly

SERIOUSLY

[jpak]

63. Change yer screen-name to Typhoid Taverner and get a book contract

:evilgrin:

[triguy46]

64. If you have the flu, you should not travel and risk exposing others.,

C'mon, be considerate. If you have been afebrile, (<100F) for 24 hours ok. But please don't travel and spread it and put others at risk.

[stray cat]

67. Same could be said for those who are not yet sick - you shed virus for about 10 days

before you feel sick and after you feel well. People are shedding virus all around you who look and feel fine.

[triguy46]

71. The same could be said for Neisseria meningitides...

or if you think your cough is just a cough and not active TB. The point is the difference between acting with knowledge of putting others at risk and that of not putting others at risk.

[mentalsolstice]

72. It's one thing to board a plane if you don't know you're sick

However, the OP is displaying his assholiness for all to see. He's saying, "screw anyone, child or adult, if they get infected, but bygod, I need to get home NOW." And he's not showing any remorse. What if he got home, and found out a week later that someone who was on that same flight is now in ICU or dead. Will he have any remorse then?

[stray cat]

66. In a place like an airport or airplane - those who appear healthy are shedding virus

thats why immunization of health care workers is important - you make other people sick long before you think you are ill. So for every person you think is shedding a virus there are 5-10 others who are shedding equal amounts but are not yet visibly ill.

[triguy46]

70. True. But is that a reason for a person who is ill to expose others?

[crispini]

73. I can't believe all the hysteria on this thread.

The air on planes is cleaner than the air in most buildings. Cabin air gets completely changed every 2 to 3 minutes. You're more likely to spread the virus by touching things. Just keep washing your hands and sanitizing them and maybe consider wearing a face mask. But one person with a bug on a plane is not going to automatically infect everyone on the plane.

To all the people telling the OP to stay home -- would you tell him to not go out to the grocery store? Or to the pharmacy? You are equally as likely to give it to someone else on the ground as you are in a plane.

[Gormy Cuss]

74. The CDC recommends staying away from crowds until the fever's gone.

Is that hysteria?

Other important actions that you can take are:

* Follow public health advice regarding school closures, avoiding crowds and other social distancing measures.
* Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based hand rubs * (for when soap and water are not available), tissues and other related items could help you to avoid the need to make trips out in public while you are sick and contagious.

What is the best way to keep from spreading the virus through coughing or sneezing?
If you are sick with flu-like illness, CDC recommends that you stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever is gone except to get medical care or for other necessities. (Your fever should be gone without the use of a fever-reducing medicine.)
Keep away from others as much as possible. Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when coughing or sneezing. Put your used tissue in the waste basket. Then, clean your hands, and do so every time you cough or sneeze.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm

[likesmountains 52]

75. Correct...if you're sick..stay away from crowds. 24 hours without a temp > 100

is what CDC recommends. That might just mean one more night in a motel and not exposing 100 other people.

[crispini]

76. Obviously the CDC knows best.

but may I venture to guess that if the OP read: "I have H1N1 -- should I go to the store and get chicken soup? There is nobody else to get it for me," then there would not be anywhere near the number of posts and urging to stay home that there is on this thread.

If the OP can stay home til the fever's gone, that's obviously better, but I suspect that the "plane" element in the OP is what's provoking the zillions of posts telling him to stay home because he's going to infect everyone and their dog (not true).

[Gormy Cuss]

78. Going to the store to get chicken soup is different from going to the airport then boarding a plane

in terms of the sheer number of direct or nearby contacts.

BTW, the OP isn't home. He's in a different state and that's why he's facing this dilemma.

[Missy Vixen]

79. There's always someone who can run to the store

If worst came to worst, I'd call the store I was a longtime customer of, ask if I could charge whatever it was I needed over the phone, and ask if there was anyone brave enough to hand it out the door to me while wearing gloves, a mask, etcetera.

There are people on any flight who don't need the virus, haven't been able to get the shot yet, and would like to stay well.

Flying is not a necessity in this case. Not exposing others to an illness that can kill is.

[TZ]

86. Umm I'm an immunologist

Planes are HIGHLY contained environments in which HIGHLY INFECTIOUS diseases can thrive. Or did you miss the story about the TB resistant guy who the US government kicked off a plane because of this!! Its not hysteria. Its outrage! Going to a store is bad enough! But to ride in a germ factory plane and possibly get lots of people ill? The air is recycled but it DOES NOT REMOVE BACTERIA AND VIRI.
The only way you can refresh air safely is through HEPA filtering which LABS have...PLANES DO NOT!
Good gawd. Please learn something about epidemiology before you bash others as being hysterical!

[crispini]

89. Wrong

Today, HEPA filters are found on most commercial airplanes -- where they re-circulate the air every three to five minutes. A 2002 medical study found that passengers flying in planes with re-circulated air had no more colds than people on planes ventilated with fresh air.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1213901&page=1&page=1

The majority of modern, large, commercial aircraft, which use a recirculation type of cabin air system, utilize fine HEPA filtration, (99.99% minimum sodium flame efficiency/99.97& minimum DOP efficiency). A small number of aircraft types have filters with lower efficiencies. Some older aircraft have either total outside air ventilation, or a small amount of unfiltered recirculation combined with the outside air.

http://www.pall.com/Aerospace_46181.asp

And ....

The overall risk of contracting a disease from an ill person onboard an airplane is similar to that in other confined areas with high occupant density, such as a bus, a subway, or movie theatre for a similar time of exposure... anywhere where a person is in close contact with others.

That said, the risk on airplanes is probably lower than in many confined spaces because modern airplanes have cabin air filtration systems equipped with highly efficient HEPA-type filters.

(Lots more at link)

http://www.iata.org/NR/rdonlyres/E81DEB5C-F3C5-4CF7-8208-9E96123D4781/0/cabin_air_quality.pdf

Planes are no worse than other public areas. It is a popular myth that planes are disease-ridden environments. If they were, the pilots and crew would be out sick all the time.

[PVnRT]

90. Air changeover is based on flow rate

Total volume / volumetric flow rate = time to "change" the air in a given volume. It does not mean all of the air is magically cleaned every 3-5 minutes. The issue is proximity, not necessarily airborne contact. You are in much closer proximity on a plane than in a pharmacy or grocery store to other people, and you have a much greater chance of infecting people that way.

Oh, as for HEPA filters, they filter particles 0.3 micrometers and larger. Influenza viruses are closer to 0.08-0.12 micrometers. So, yeah.

[crispini]

91. Yes, I agree, it's proximity.

but NOT cabin quality air. In other words, it's you sneezing on your neighbor, not just you breathing. Which, if you are sick, you ought to be able to avoid by good sneeze manners and hygiene.

As for particle size:

Q3: What is the smallest particle size that the cabin air filter element can remove?
Air filters can remove very small particles such as bacteria and viruses. Virtually all viruses and bacteria are removed; even the most difficult particles in the range of 0.1 to 0.3 are filtered out with an efficiency level of of 99.995% . Contrary to popular belief, very small particles below 0.1 micron are easily filtered out by the mechanism of diffusional interception.

http://www.iata.org/NR/rdonlyres/E81DEB5C-F3C5-4CF7-8208-9E96123D4781/0/cabin_air_quality.pdf

[PVnRT]

97. Unless they are using pharmaceutical-grade filters, the IATA is being weasly

Standard HEPA filters are only tested to 0.3 microns with a required efficiency of 99.97%.

http://www.ashrae.org/technology/page/336

Scroll to Section 8. ASHRAE is generally in charge of this stuff.

Diffusion effects will take care of some smaller particles, but to pretend that they're basically all getting caught is nonsense. They're not, else bio labs that deal with this sort of thing could go to Lowe's and grab filters, rather than have to pay hundreds of dollars for each one.

The IATA, by the way, represents....airlines. It's not as bad as the American Petroleum Institute, but it's still a trade organization, and they are going to be very careful about putting out information that makes people feel better about getting on a plane with the flu running around.

[NJmaverick]

103. Check out this post, it's got some good reading on the matter

seems they are using HEPA filters that are effective on most bacteria and viruses. Post #89 if the link doesn't work

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=9086497&mesg_id=9088033

[TZ]

92. They are NOT cleared for viral particles though

They only HEPA filters that are able to filter viri are in labs with high biocontainment levels. No plane could fly with them.
HEPA filters on planes and vacuums<<<<<<<<HEPA filters used for biocontainment.
Infectious sputum and particles do hang in the self contained air of an airplane. You are actually LESS likely to get it in a grocery store because of larger area of circulation.
Again why did the TB guy get in trouble for trying to fly with infectious TB if planes are safe? And as for flight crew, much like teachers I'm sure they get their share of sickness but they generally aren't sitting still in one place for hours at a time like passengers are. And sputum hangs in the air in a plane longer than outside as well.
All confined spaces are bad..but with planes you get the double whammy of sitting still for hours at a time on a contained space.
So yes, like all public transport they can be infectious disease transport.
(you should read the scientific articles on how TB is generally spread though commuter trains and subways to understand this concept)
However since people don't generally fly everyday, its not as common to spread TB on a plane than on the rail cars. That said, its highly irresponsible for anyone to travel by plane, or any other mass transport with an infectious disease.

[NJmaverick]

100. Here is more solid scientific evidence to back you up. The HEPA filters used

are quite effective at removing viruses and bacteria.

http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2005/12/200511617.shtml

<<Bacterial and viral challenges have shown that Pall cabin air filters have greater than 99.999% efficiency in bacterial removal efficiency and greater than 99.9995% in virus removal efficiency. They can effectively remove bacteria, viruses and fungi from recirculated air on the first pass, providing airplane recirculation systems with the microbial equivalent of outside or fresh air. Tests have shown that the air downstream of Pall cabin air filters is cleaner than outside air, both on the ground and during flights.

The corona virus that causes SARS and the avian flu virus are in similar size ranges and parameters to the microbes used to test the Pall filters, which would imply comparable efficiencies for their removal from cabin air. In fact, Pall cabin filters have shown even greater efficiency for even smaller virus particles.

"Fortunately for the flying public, most of the world's leading airlines use Pall filters," says Lundquist. "Our decades of experience providing filtration products for the pharmaceutical and health care industries enabled us to develop the technology for both designing and testing filters for effective protection against microbes in the air.">>


Thanks for dispelling this myth about airline cabins and air exchanges.

[ZombieHorde]

80. These articles say don't do it, but they do give some tips you could use to protect yourself,

the tips may work in reverse.

http://wjz.com/local/destinee.parker.h1n1.2.1235645.html">Tips To Protect Yourself Against H1N1 While Flying
On planes, trains and buses, you're often crammed in with a lot of people. And with H1N1 spreading fast, that can produce anxiety for some people.

Head to the airport and you'll find some flyers wondering if fellow passengers are bringing H1N1 on board.

"It definitely crosses my mind," said a passenger.

http://www.flyana.com/H1N1.html">Tips on Flying During the Flu Pandemic

H1N1 has spread around the world through airline travel since it first appeared in Mexico in April 2009. Within two months, the World Health Organization had declared it a pandemic.

H1N1 is transmitted by vapor expelled when people speak, sneeze, cough, laugh, eat, exhale and sing.

So if you're sick should you fly?

Diana Fairechild, aviation environmental consultant and author of Jet Smarter, answers this question to a reader of her web site: "If you feel ill and are deciding to fly or not to fly, ask yourself this question. Are you willing to risk being detained at your destination airport?"

"Travelers who are ill on arrival, and also those SEATED NEAR THE ILL PASSENGER, are being detained in quarantine for several weeks," adds Ms. Fairechild, "so when they are released, if they're lucky enough not to be ill, they've entirely missed the event for which they purchased their airplane ticket."

[Deep13]

83. Don't fly.

Wait a week. Flying while you have the the flu is like going around to every passenger and crewman and injecting them with the virus.

[Orsino]

85. Flap your arms as fast as you can...

...and don't fly over populated areas.

[datasuspect]

87. get a Level A Hazmat suit

http://www.edarley.com/finditem/21949

i'm not sure if the SCBA is an option or not

[WinkyDink]

93. You are a danger if you fly.

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[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

95. That's the spirit

you know, you're one of the "few filthy humans" right? Go join a self help group or something.

[datasuspect]

96. we should accelerate the process and help nature with its program to eliminate the Human Virus

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

98. You're right

Lex Luthor.

[Name removed]

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[datasuspect]

101. NPR is a secret propaganda organ of the Republican Party

how much granola do you eat everyday?

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[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

106. He lives on it

He drinks so much fucking kool-aid (and steroids) they made him the new fucking kool-aid guy. His voice is really that low and he uses really shitty songs to influence his bursting through that paper facade they have. Don't fuck with him man.

[LynneSin]

105. Could you take a train home? Get a private car so you're not around others

if it's cost, DUers could help out

[kimmerspixelated]

107. OIL OF OREGANO!

DOn't fly if you can change your ticket time.

[LeftyMom]

108. Rent a car and drive.

It's a long, boring drive and I'm sure it's extra fun when you're sick, but I do the drive more often than I care to admit and it's not the worst thing in the world. Driving back is certainly not worse than giving a bunch of strangers the flu, which flying would do, or paying for a hotel for a week or so. If you're totally wiped you could get a hotel halfway and split it into two six hour drives instead of one twelve hour drive, probably not a bad idea if you're feeling seriously icky. Tourist season is over, so a hotel in Ashland or someplace around there (I think that's about half way) should be cheap

Wipe the car down real good with bleach wipes prior to returning it to the rental agency after you get home.