PinkOwl
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:07 AM
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Why isn't "football" or "baseball" capitalized? Aren't these proper nouns? |
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city=Orlando dog=Snoopy restaurant=McDonalds
Then why not...
sport=Baseball? or Football? or Soccer, with capital letter?
If you look in newspaper articles, the specific sports are not capitalized, and it's driving me crazy that I don't understand why not.
Does anyone have an explanation?
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Bucky
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:12 AM
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1. one could construct an argument, but really it's random (like most things in human language) |
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The Germans get around it by capitalizing all nouns, but honestly that's not any better.
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JVS
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Wed Oct-21-09 07:34 AM
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6. pronouns aren't capitalized, except for the 2nd person formal. |
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Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 07:35 AM by JVS
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Ineeda
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:52 AM
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2. Grade two English: a proper noun is the name of a particular |
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person, place or thing. Not apple, school, newspaper, cigarette, but Mackintosh, Harvard, Tribune, Marlboro. The name of a particular football or baseball team or league should be capitalized but not the generic sport.
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Wed Oct-21-09 06:53 AM
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3. Right - your name is capitalized the term person is not |
Bucky
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Wed Oct-21-09 06:56 AM
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4. Exactly right. For instance you capitalize Monday October 19th, but not just any generic monday |
Ineeda
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Wed Oct-21-09 07:19 AM
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5. Hmmm. I was taught that the days of the week |
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just like the months in the year are capitalized.
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PinkOwl
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Thu Oct-22-09 05:29 AM
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8. Football is a particular thing |
Ineeda
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Thu Oct-22-09 06:56 AM
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9. in other words you would capitalize |
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EVERY noun? Like bird, finger, shoe, pizza, book, rock, tennis racket, geranium? All of those things are 'particular things', too, by your estimation. The actual definition of "particular" is: –adjective 1. of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general. :) I hope this helps clarify.
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Dr. Strange
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Thu Oct-22-09 08:56 AM
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11. Not when it's played by the Cowboys. |
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This gratuitous Dallas Cowboys bashing was brought to you by the Strange Institute for making fun of all things Romo.
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PinkOwl
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Thu Oct-22-09 11:42 AM
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12. But does Toyota cease to be a particular thing when it's driven by John? |
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Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 11:43 AM by PinkOwl
Wouldn't we say, "John is driving a Toyota"? Or would we say, "John is driving a toyota."
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JonLP24
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Thu Oct-22-09 11:57 AM
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16. Toyota is a brand name |
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which is why it's capitalized. We would say, "John is driving a car which is a Toyota."
Kind of like, "John plays football in the National Football League."
I never had higher than a 'C' in English class so I'm not qualified to give you a proper answer.
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PinkOwl
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Thu Oct-22-09 01:28 PM
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20. But Saturday is not a brand name |
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It's the name of one of the things that belong in the "day" category. Same as football is the name of one of the elements that make up the "sports" category.
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Ineeda
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Thu Oct-22-09 03:38 PM
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23. Oh, groan. There are rules that govern language. |
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For heaven's sake, learn them instead of trying to find a way to dispute them!
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Ineeda
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Thu Oct-22-09 11:59 AM
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17. trying to be patient here. |
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Toyota is always a specific brand, so always capitalized. If John was driving a Ford or Chevy, the rule is the same, but if John was driving a car, no caps. Any other questions? Or are you pulling my chain?
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Thu Oct-22-09 04:31 PM
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25. football isn't really a particular thing |
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It's a number of things.
It is a smaller subcategory of sport, yes, but that doesn't make it a particular/proper noun or mean that it should be capitalized, any more than "tree" should be capitalized just because it is a subset of plant.
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JVS
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Wed Oct-21-09 07:40 AM
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7. I would support a capitalization, particularly because these games are insitutional in nature. |
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kick the can, cards, dice not so much, but when you play Baseball, Football, Monopoly, etc. there is a very definite set of rules.
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Thu Oct-22-09 12:09 PM
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18. Really? I can think of three completely different games called football. |
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In some parts of the world, the game we American's call rugby is called football. In most of the world, the game we Americans call soccer is called football. Here in America, we call our forward pass derivation of rugby "football".
For the past 2000 years, "football" or the local/temporal equivalent has been used to define pretty much any game that involves the use of a ball and your feet, including many games that you simply wouldn't recognize today. About 100 years ago, various playing organizations began to standardize some of the rules in some of the games, but the word is still very generic for "ball game that uses the feet".
As such, it shouldn't be capitalized.
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Thu Oct-22-09 07:37 AM
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10. Major League Baseball- Yes/ baseball-no |
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National Football League- Yes
football or baseball alone, I would have to say no to capitals.
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Thu Oct-22-09 11:43 AM
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13. In its earliest days, the national pastime was indeed called Base Ball |
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Thu Oct-22-09 11:52 AM
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14. Why don't they call an apple a "red"? |
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They call oranges oranges don't they?
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Thu Oct-22-09 11:54 AM
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15. it would hurt the rasberries feelings. |
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Thu Oct-22-09 01:10 PM
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19. Not to mention Granny Smith. |
PinkOwl
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Thu Oct-22-09 01:30 PM
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21. No. Because "red" is an adjective. Football is not an adjective n/t |
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Thu Oct-22-09 01:40 PM
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22. Orange is both an adjective and a noun. n/t |
Ineeda
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Thu Oct-22-09 03:44 PM
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24. AGAIN, not all nouns are capitalized. |
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Several posters have patiently given you examples, including me. Are you deliberately being obtuse? Go right ahead - I'm done. x(
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Thu Oct-22-09 04:32 PM
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26. Football not an adjective??? |
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When I say football game, is football not modifying "game", a noun, thus making it an adjective? discuss.
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