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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:07 AM
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Why isn't "football" or "baseball" capitalized? Aren't these proper nouns?
city=Orlando
dog=Snoopy
restaurant=McDonalds

Then why not...

sport=Baseball? or Football? or Soccer, with capital letter?

If you look in newspaper articles, the specific sports are not capitalized, and it's driving me crazy that I don't understand why not.

Does anyone have an explanation?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:12 AM
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1. one could construct an argument, but really it's random (like most things in human language)
The Germans get around it by capitalizing all nouns, but honestly that's not any better.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:34 AM
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6. pronouns aren't capitalized, except for the 2nd person formal.
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 07:35 AM by JVS
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:52 AM
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2. Grade two English: a proper noun is the name of a particular
person, place or thing. Not apple, school, newspaper, cigarette, but Mackintosh, Harvard, Tribune, Marlboro. The name of a particular football or baseball team or league should be capitalized but not the generic sport.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:53 AM
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3. Right - your name is capitalized the term person is not
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:56 AM
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4. Exactly right. For instance you capitalize Monday October 19th, but not just any generic monday
Good call.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:19 AM
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5. Hmmm. I was taught that the days of the week
just like the months in the year are capitalized.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 05:29 AM
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8. Football is a particular thing
Isn't it?
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:56 AM
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9. in other words you would capitalize
EVERY noun? Like bird, finger, shoe, pizza, book, rock, tennis racket, geranium? All of those things are 'particular things', too, by your estimation. The actual definition of "particular" is: –adjective 1. of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general. :) I hope this helps clarify.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 08:56 AM
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11. Not when it's played by the Cowboys.
This gratuitous Dallas Cowboys bashing was brought to you by the Strange Institute for making fun of all things Romo.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:42 AM
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12. But does Toyota cease to be a particular thing when it's driven by John?
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 11:43 AM by PinkOwl
Wouldn't we say, "John is driving a Toyota"? Or would we say, "John is driving a toyota."
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:57 AM
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16. Toyota is a brand name
which is why it's capitalized. We would say, "John is driving a car which is a Toyota."

Kind of like, "John plays football in the National Football League."

I never had higher than a 'C' in English class so I'm not qualified to give you a proper answer.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:28 PM
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20. But Saturday is not a brand name
It's the name of one of the things that belong in the "day" category. Same as football is the name of one of the elements that make up the "sports" category.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:38 PM
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23. Oh, groan. There are rules that govern language.
For heaven's sake, learn them instead of trying to find a way to dispute them!
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:59 AM
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17.  trying to be patient here.
Toyota is always a specific brand, so always capitalized. If John was driving a Ford or Chevy, the rule is the same, but if John was driving a car, no caps. Any other questions? Or are you pulling my chain?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:31 PM
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25. football isn't really a particular thing
It's a number of things.

It is a smaller subcategory of sport, yes, but that doesn't make it a particular/proper noun or mean that it should be capitalized, any more than "tree" should be capitalized just because it is a subset of plant.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:40 AM
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7. I would support a capitalization, particularly because these games are insitutional in nature.
kick the can, cards, dice not so much, but when you play Baseball, Football, Monopoly, etc. there is a very definite set of rules.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:09 PM
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18. Really? I can think of three completely different games called football.
In some parts of the world, the game we American's call rugby is called football. In most of the world, the game we Americans call soccer is called football. Here in America, we call our forward pass derivation of rugby "football".

For the past 2000 years, "football" or the local/temporal equivalent has been used to define pretty much any game that involves the use of a ball and your feet, including many games that you simply wouldn't recognize today. About 100 years ago, various playing organizations began to standardize some of the rules in some of the games, but the word is still very generic for "ball game that uses the feet".

As such, it shouldn't be capitalized.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 07:37 AM
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10. Major League Baseball- Yes/ baseball-no
National Football League- Yes

football or baseball alone, I would have to say no to capitals.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:43 AM
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13. In its earliest days, the national pastime was indeed called Base Ball
two words.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:52 AM
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14. Why don't they call an apple a "red"?
They call oranges oranges don't they?
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 11:54 AM
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15. it would hurt the rasberries feelings.
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woofless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:10 PM
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19. Not to mention Granny Smith.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:30 PM
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21. No. Because "red" is an adjective. Football is not an adjective n/t
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:40 PM
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22. Orange is both an adjective and a noun. n/t
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:44 PM
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24. AGAIN, not all nouns are capitalized.
Several posters have patiently given you examples, including me. Are you deliberately being obtuse? Go right ahead - I'm done. x(
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:32 PM
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26. Football not an adjective???
When I say football game, is football not modifying "game", a noun, thus making it an adjective?
discuss.
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