Have you ever simply dumped everything by a performer you had, because of the performer's politics?

[Archae]

I just threw away my Ray Stevens CD.
Don't worry, it was not a store bought one, I had transferred it from cassette to CD a couple years ago.

And I hadn't listened to it in a long time, also.

But Ray Stevens has joined the Rush/Beck/Faux "news" teabagging crowd.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7337471

So in de gar-baj!

[SanddancerUSA]

1. See Your Springsteen and raise you a Stevens.

The streak?

[Archae]

2. Yup. Same guy.

[Tobin S.]

3. No, but I really don't worry about it

Even Ted Nugent made at least one good song.

"The Great White Buffalo" by Ted Nugent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUMlQRYBD8

[guitar man]

4. No

If I like what the artist does I really don't worry about their politics. Everybody has got their reasons for believing what they believe even if I disagree with them.

[Odin2005]

5. No. Should we not listen to Richard Wanger because he was an Anti-Semite?

Or read T. S. Eliot's poetry because he was pretty RW? I can separate an artist's talent from his/her political views.

[undeterred]

16. "Wanger"?

:rofl:

[baldguy]

18. "Dick Wanger"?

(channeling my inner 10-yr-old)

[peekaloo]

20. that's German for Peter O'Toole.

:+

[martymar64]

47. Wasn't he Plenty O'Toole's father?

[rug]

22. His first name is Willy.

[Odin2005]

28. Oops, typo. ment Wagner.

DOH!

[abq e streeter]

6. I've stopped playing with people because they mutated into hard core right wingers

I can't justify creating music with people that have chosen to ally themselves with those who foment and exploit hate and racism etc. On the other hand, I love old John Wayne westerns....

[dysfunctional press]

7. no. and i also pay to see movies put out by fox.

[Quantess]

8. Ever seen the film Buffalo66?

With Vincent.... oh, what's his name?

I thought it was a genius film. But where is he now, now that everyone knows he's a conservative?

OTOH, I never liked Bruce Springsteen's music at all, but now that I know he's kind of a liberal, I have more appreciation for his music.

[abq e streeter]

9. Glad to see you beginning to appreciate Springsteen

BTW, he's more than"kind of liberal".... Here's a quote from the activist's activist within the music world, Bonnie Raitt: " I don't know if any other American artist has made as profound a difference."

[Quantess]

12. I know! Bruce Springsteen is so outspoken and such an activist!

So I love him for that.

When I was in Junior High School, I never liked "Born in the USA". Plus, it seemed like Springteen's biggest fans were the football players and other mainstream jock types, which I was not.

Appearances can be decieving.

[Archae]

11. I don't know...

Springsteen may be liberal, but his music and singing still suck. ;-)

[abq e streeter]

17. My deepest sympathies on your profound lack of musical taste

On the other hand, for every person who somehow hasn't figured out that this is the best live band to ever put on a rock and roll show, it just makes it that much easier for those of us who do recognize a great band when we hear one, to get tickets. So for that, thank you.

[pintobean]

46. Agree

Manfred Mann's covers are the only Springsteen songs worth listening to.

[Captain Hilts]

23. Buffalo 66 had Angelica Huston, who's a good Dem. nt

[LeftyMom]

10. No.

Then again, a lot of the music I listen to is pretty blatantly political and far off in left field, so if somebody I liked spouted some crazy right wing shit, I'd probably figure they had a brain tumor or something. ;)

[Quantess]

13. It would be interesting to hear ANY sort of mainstream music that's political, nowadays.

[LeftyMom]

15. Yeah, I think you mostly have to go outside of the mainstream for that.

[AngryAmish]

49. Have you spent much time listenig to lil Wayne?

[proteus_lives]

14. Not because of politics.

But I won't watch anything that has to do with Roman Polanski.

[TZ]

19. Not because of politics per se but because they are bigots

I used to listen to Brooks and Dunn and even went to a concert of theirs. Then I heard a "hidden track" on one of their albums talking about how Jews murdered Jesus. It was one of the most openly anti-semitic things I have ever seen. EVERYTHING went into the trash that day. I have not listened all the way through to a song of theirs since.

[lightningandsnow]

24. WAIT WHAT?

WHAT?

This is just.....WHAT?

[TZ]

25. Yep.

A hidden track (which is unlisted on the CD) was evangelical bullshit about the Glory of Jesus and how Jews murdered him. I wish I could remember the name of the CD so you could hear for yourself...Its been a few years though and I don't remember.

[TommyO]

27. YIKES! I did some digging and I think this is the song you're talking about

Holy War on their Red Dirt Road album:

Some say a holy war is comin’
Gonna be the end of mortal man
There’s a TV preacher sayin’
Armageddon is at hand
Sayin’ the Jews, the Gays, the Junkies
The Politicians and Infidels
Have conjured up the devil
Upon the gates of hell

I turn on the TV
Lord I can’t believe my eyes
Oh Terror walks the streets
While a million mothers cry
Christians pray to Jesus
Lord help us if you can
Send Gabriel and his legions
To defend his promised land

Some say a holy war is comin’
Gonna be the end of mortal man
There’s a TV preacher sayin’
Armageddon is at hand
Sayin’ the Jews, the Gays, the Junkies
The Politicians and Infidels
Have conjured up the devil
Upon the gates of hell

All it’s prophets lead
While the blind sheep they follow
The path to damnation with no future no tomorrow
Justice she may be blind
Tall and proud she marches on
Judgment day is coming
God himself wrote that in stone

They say a holy war is comin’
Gonna be the end of mortal man
There’s a TV preacher sayin’
Armageddon is at hand
They said fire rained down from Heaven
On the towers of Babylon
Oh the innocent the sinners
They all died as one

Now victory will be mine
All feeble and good say
But in the end and in its own time
Righteousness will have it’s day

Some say a holy war is comin’
Gonna be the end of mortal man
There’s a TV preacher sayin’
Armageddon is at hand
Sayin’ the Jews, the Gays, the Junkies
The Politicians and Infidels
Have conjured up the devil
Upon the gates of hell

Some say a holy war is comin’
Gonna be the end of mortal man
There’s a TV preacher sayin’
Armageddon is at hand
Sayin’ the Jews, the Gays, the Junkies
The Politicians and Infidels
Have conjured up the devil
Upon the gates of hell

[lightningandsnow]

29. OMFG.

D:

No more Brooks and Dunn for this queer Jew.

[TZ]

30. Thats it!

Pretty ugly song!:grr:
This is what turns my gut when people claim that Islam is a hateful religion. No more than Christianity.

[KamaAina]

38. Un-freakin'-believable.

Suppose some rapper had a hidden track about declaring war on Whitey. How fast do you think O'Really?, Insannity, Rush the OxyMoron, etc. would be on top of that?

edit: yet Brooks & Dunn are still considered mainstream. :eyes:

[TommyO]

44. They actually broke up earlier this year

Thank God.

[TommyO]

21. I don't dump it, it generally gets back-burnered and I don't buy anything else

Toby Keith is a prime example, I have some of his earlier albums, one autographed when he was a new performer playing amusement park venues. When he went all "boot up your ass" and trashed the Dixie Chicks, that was the end. I still have his old stuff, I occasionally hear something when I do a random play, but don't have any of his new shit.

[TZ]

26. I agree totally about Toby Keith

I used to like his stuff as well.

[Aristus]

31. Dennis Miller. Unlike a lot of people here, I actually thought he was funny once upon a time.

And he seemed to be a pretty outspoken lefty. There were a couple of his rants where he castigated RW evangelicals for their hatred and bigotry, and warned liberals to get it in gear, or the right-wingers would take over and eliminate civil liberties.

Then he began to turn to the dark side. It wasn't instantaneously, like with a lot of people after September 11th; it was fairly gradual, and started a year or so before 9-11. But when it got too blatant to ignore, I tossed all of his books and recordings that I had and haven't looked back. He's dead to me.

[la_chupa]

32. I agree, the Dennis Miller thing was shocking

why would anyone have anything by Ray Stevens anyway?

[peekaloo]

33. I liked his HBO show in the nineties.

laugh out loud funny at times with, for the most part, interesting guests.

His "comedy" reeks of desperation these days. Deep down I wonder if he truly buys his own bullshit.

[KamaAina]

34. "The Streak" a teabagger? Who'd'a thunk it?

:shrug:

[Heidi]

35. Yep, I'd dump a "performer." But NOPE, not an artist. There's a distinct difference.

I'm pretty sure I would not have enjoyed an evening one-on-one in personal discussion with Hemingway, but I wouldn't dump him because of that. He was an artist and his work represents a place in another time, and he depicted it artistically. Another example: many women of a certain age (my age, to be honest) absolutely loathe Kerouac's late 1940s/early 1950s misogyny, and Bukowski's characterizations of women, but I love both of these artists and wouldn't dump them for anything. But these are artists. I'm not sure Ray Stevens was ever really an artist in any relevant way. "Performer" is an apt description of Ray Stevens.

[dmallind]

36. Nope - completely silly to do so too.

How difficult is it to segregate one part of a person from another? Should we all hate German Shepherd Dogs because Hitler was a fan?

I'm a fan of Wagner. His politics are often exaggerated but no doubt he was a nationalistic anti-semite. I like the work, not the person or the politics.

Arthur Conan Doyle was a woo-woo loon. Sherlock Holmes stopries are still fun to read.

Should we only pay leftist builders or plumbers to work on our houses, regardless of their skill and cost? What's the difference between that and an artist's work?

[Rabrrrrrr]

37. No, of course not. The art stands on its own.

[mzteris]

39. Did that with some books -

Everything by Orson Scott Card. Complete wack job.

[LeftyMom]

41. It helps that he hasn't written anything slightly interesting in fifteen years.

[bigwillq]

40. No (nt)

[jonnyblitz]

42. I never got rid of my Ramones stuff despite Johnny Ramone

being a hardcore republican. I don't think I have owned anything by them since the days of cassettes anyway. :shrug:

[catzies]

43. When I heard Kevin Costner was a Repuke & gave money to Jesse Helms

all his videos went to Goodwill...

..except Bull Durham because Tim Robbins & Susan Sarandon more than balanced it out.

Haven't seen a Costner flick since.

[WildEyedLiberal]

45. No, but most of them can't keep their odious politics out of their work, so it filters itself

The worst offenders can't help but inject their crappy conservative politics into their books/songs/films/etc, so they are relatively easy to avoid. But I'm not about to ditch an otherwise apolitical piece of work that I enjoy just because I find out after the fact that the artist is a conservative.

That said, I still enjoy Starship Troopers, even though it's pretty blatantly pro-fascist.

[bookworm65t]

48. John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart

I try to avoid Repukes and teabaggers as much as possible, but I have kept some of the old timers like these two.