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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:29 PM
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Comma assistance (Yes, yes. We all know that this will yield "Coma assistance copycats)
I've been asked to read someone's story and give feedback, but I'm psyching myself out about a comma rule. Here's a relevant excerpt:
“Brandon’s been attacked!” Bob yelled effortlessly kicking in the back door from the screened-in porch.

It seems to me that there should be a comma between "yelled" and "effortlessly." At least, if I were writing the story, I'd put one there. However, the writer makes repeated use of this type of construction, and she never uses the comma.

What do you suggest?
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:31 PM
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1. ... yelled while effortlessly ...
:shrug:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:33 PM
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3. Good suggestion, but I don't think she'd go for it.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:36 PM
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then it needs a comma, me thinks
I hate editing for that very reason. Why did she even bother asking if she is not going to be open to critique?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:39 PM
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11. It isn't that she's not open to critique per se...
but she posted it in a writers' forum, and she's already received some glowing (and IMO unhelpful) feedback about the story.

Actually, the story itself isn't bad, but the writing has some glaring weak spots.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:42 PM
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13. or "as he effortlessly"
I don't think a comma makes it make sense and more than a lack of a comma. It is a run-on sentence.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:24 PM
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14. I don't think it's a run-on sentence in any case.
It's an independent clause and a dependent clause, no?
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 03:36 AM
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24. fair enough n/t
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:18 AM
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26. Don't you take that tone with me, mister.
We'll fight right here, Valentine's Day or not!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

:grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:42 PM
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17. That's just using a five letter word substitute for the coma
Good face saving move, but the fact is, there is a coma missing.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:46 PM
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18. mm
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 11:46 PM by Orrex
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:52 PM
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19. Nevertheless, I'm pulling for Brandon.
Screw Bob and his effortless yelling. I want some passion in my screaming.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:54 PM
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20. That's so hot.
I won't say what Bob and Brandon are up to, exactly, but just a few lines later, James "stormed out of his room and down the stairs."
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:55 PM
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21. goodie
a threesome :)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 03:44 AM
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25. +1
That would be my suggestion, too... :-)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:32 PM
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2. My dear Orrex!
I'd put the comma in too...

Do it!

Otherwise, it looks as though he's yelling effortlessly!

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:35 PM
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7. That was my thought as well!
I hope to explain to her that her phrasing doesn't convey the image that I think she wants it to convey...
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:33 PM
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4. but what if it was the yelling that was effortless?
:P
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:36 PM
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8. And to think, I gave you those seven hearts.
You call this gratitude?
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:34 PM
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5. I think that just depends on what Bob did effortlessly.
If you place the comma before the word effortlessly, then he kicked effortlessly. If you place the comma after the word effortlessly, then he yelled effortlessly.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:36 PM
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9. Maybe that's how I'll explain it to her.
I'm just about certain that the kicking is supposed to be effortless, rather than the yelling.

Certainly the reading takes a good deal of effort.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:34 PM
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6. She's wrong every time. You're right.
Unless he yelled effortlessly, kicking in the back door... That's why you need it. The reader whouldn't have to work too hard to know which one it is.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:37 PM
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10. Your subject line is actually a close paraphrase of my personal motto!
Thanks for the feedback!
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:39 PM
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12. If it were me, I would write it like this.
“Brandon’s been attacked!” Bob yelled, effortlessly kicking in the oval back door from the screened-in elfin porch.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:33 PM
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15. Did you ever receive my Christmas present, by the way?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:38 PM
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16. Yes. There needs to be a comma, or a word. nt
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:55 PM
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22. OK, I'm ready for coma assistance now
bring it on
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 02:28 AM
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23. Be tough - it needs commas
I read Plainsong by Kent Haruf. He decided not to use quotation marks. It was infuriating. Kept having to reread things to get the meaning.
A cutesy affectation if you ask me.
She needs your help.
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