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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:17 AM
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Do you hope to make peace with death before you die?
I hope I can, but for me Death is the enemy - its the dark force that stands in the way of any and all progress, spiritual, emotional and physical.

It is my enemy. I will fight it tooth and nail.

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Your thoughts?
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:20 AM
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1. I'm pretty much at peace with it now. All I want to avoid is suffering and being a burden to anyone.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:24 AM
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2. I'm fine with death
I'd like to live long enough to see my kids graduate, but otherwise, I'm cool with dying.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:25 AM
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3. i already have. i was in too much of a battle with the enemy it consumed my life and thoughts
i wasnt living, enjoyin glife. the most precious gift, what i am so thankful for at such a young age is having come to peace with death adn battling it no more. i am so thankful
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:29 AM
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4. Not sure I will make peace with it
In the epic struggle between myself and death, I'm guessing the odds are overwhelmingly in death's favor. Therefore, to me it doesn't much matter if I'm at peace with it or not.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:29 AM
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5. Provided you die first , and I dance on your grave , then , and only then would I make peace with
Edited on Tue May-25-10 11:30 AM by UndertheOcean
death.

Otherwise it can ##$# #$#$# #$# 2323R$##%$#%#.


Oh , why do I hate you that much ? because you are the reincarnation of Hitler.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:42 AM
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7. Wow - kinda, harsh?
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:45 AM
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8. Because I know it was you , you STOLE my Orange Juice !
yeah , yeah , attempt at joke was too harsh and failed , ok , I fail in online comedy.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:05 PM
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39. Sorry - its been a strange day...
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:35 AM
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6. Told this story recently, but within the last year or so I died...
.
...in the ER.
.
Very sick... very sudden... faded out as I was talking to the
examining doctor and somehow I KNEW I was dying (was told
later that it wasn't for very long before they snatched me back).
.
Had always been curious as to how I would react if I just KNEW.
.
Was afraid that I would be a hypocrite and start apologizing for
not being a Christian or something. Was embarrassing and painful
to think about.
.
My reaction?
.
"It's OK. It's OK. It's really OK."
.
.
As I said before, I don't think I channeled Jesus -- I'm pretty
sure I channeled Kurt Vonnegut.
.
.
NEXT time (if there is a next time -- I haven't given up on my
immortality yet -- there can be only One), I hope to entertain
the ER staff by clutching my chest and doing my best Redd Foxx
impression, "IT'S THE BIG ONE, ELIZABETH!! I'M COMIN' TO JOIN
YOU, HONEY!!!"
.
.
Just my luck, they'll all be too young to remember Sanford & Son.
.
.
Don't get old. It can ruin an EXCEPTIONAL exit line.
.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:52 PM
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13. Snerk.
If I'm in any condition to do so, I think my last words will be ..... "Wow. I see God and is She ever pissed at you all."
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:47 AM
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9. Death is not my enemy
Dying is. That's what I'm afraid of--physical pain, somewhat, but mostly leaving loved ones behind. I've become deeply invested in the current fiction (this lifetime) and I don't want to leave it early--I want to see what happens and keep participating in the storyline. However, if it's in the cards for me to live a long, full life and prepare myself for departure in a timely manner, then I won't mind leaving.

I'll just come back (again) if I miss a physical incarnation so much. :P
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:46 PM
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15. Thing is, I don't beleive in any kind of afterlife
After death and the "death dream" - you're gone. Fin. Mot Lao. Tot.

Of course I don't believe in a soul
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:19 PM
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29. Well, then, you're fucked
Just kidding. :hi:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:34 PM
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10. Already have.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:36 PM
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11. I plan on kicking and screaming every step of the way.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 01:43 PM
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12. It's not death that bothers me.
I see no point in concerning myself about an inevitable. The way I may die makes me sweat razor blades.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:59 PM
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26. Most likely you won't feel much pain
As long as you have health insurance and access to painkillers

If you don't - hoo boy!
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:27 PM
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30. I wish it were that simple.
Both my brother and father died in a vegetative state; Dad more or less rotted away from diabetes and a shot liver.

Mom died slowly of cancer.

I fear living{sic} into late 80's or early 90's as my parents did and like them being utterly helpless those last years.

As I said to his nurse the last time I saw my father (curled up in the fetal position, o/a 70 pounds, tubes everywhere), "There are worse things than death."
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:35 PM
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32. I am sorry. If consciousness plays a part, then yes it will be painful
If sub-consciousness plays a part, then no it probably won't be. But - who knows?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:48 PM
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33. Well, if it comes to that, I do hope I'm so bombed on pain killers
and other meds that I won't care.

One of the reasons I have a "Don't even think about it" living will.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:52 PM
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34. Pain Killers when you're dying = good
My Aunt went out this way, and I can't imagine a more painless way to go out...

She suffered in life, her death shouldn't have to involve suffering :cry:
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:00 PM
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35. Death should be accepted with dignity, not welcomed with relief. n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:02 PM
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36. Huh?
That's just evil

Not just evil but eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:03 PM
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37. Wait - I get it - Sorry...
Long day
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:05 PM
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38. So, you know my secret, Mr Bond.
BRWAHAHAHAHAH.
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lunamagica Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 02:44 PM
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14. I already have. Sometimes I feel like I'm looking forward to it
I just hope it's quick and painless. What I fear most is a long time of pain and suffering, on life support, being more of a burden.
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:51 PM
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16. I don't think that there is a peace to make.
If I live to be 200 I will still never be ready to go.
Probably because I don't believe in an afterlife.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:52 PM
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17. There is peace to make, not with death itself but with ourselves over death
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:58 PM
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19. My feeling is that the peace we make with ourselves
will vanish and not even matter once we die.
You cant take a feeling or even a thought with you in to oblivion.
We spend too much time dwelling oh shit that we have little or any control over.
I would rather spend my last moments living in the moment and not coming to terms with my mortality.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:59 PM
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20. Well, of course. All of what you say is true
But if you don't make peace with your mortality in life, you'll spend every minute you think about it in a miserable state
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:03 PM
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22. Anything we worry about puts us in a miserable state.
So don't worry about it and you'll be happier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHFDa9efCQU
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SCantiGOP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 03:55 PM
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18. tale of two outlooks
My father and his family growing up were not at all religious. In fact, when he signed up for the Marines in WWII he had to list a religion, and since the closest church to his house was Methodist that's what he listed. My Mother was devout Irish Catholic, and when they married in 1940 he had to sign a statement swearing that the children would be raised Catholic, which we were but he never attended church (except for weddings and funerals of course). They died within six months of each other in 2006.
The last time I saw my Dad he was in pretty bad shape. I said, "You have to get better so you can go home." He responded, "If going home means I can still drive my car and get around on my own, fine. Otherwise, I've had a good long life and don't fear dying."
My Mother, who was in the early, mild stages of dementia, was terrified! I think she was questioning all that guilt the Catholic Church puts on you and whether she was going to get into heaven or if there was a heaven. I've thought about their two approches to the end a lot.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:02 PM
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21. Part of the reason why I cite Atheism as a reason for less fear of death
When I was a Christian, every day I worried a few times, with absolute fear and loathing, about my mortality

When I gave up on god, that fear and loathing went away

I am MAKING peace with my mortality

I still have issues

But I'm getting there

One could never say that about my Christian self
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:12 PM
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23. I would welcome death
Don't interpret that as meaning I would endorse suicide

But at a stage of my life when I seemingly have nothing really of value to live for, I do not see death as an obstacle to progress of any kind and instead as a new beginning. I have made peace with death long ago
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:17 PM
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25. I agree with most of that - - except the "new beginning" part
Death is an end, not a beginning
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 04:13 PM
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24. I really really hope my last thought won't be one of regret
shit... I get sad thinking about that.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:08 PM
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27. That would not be good
Although, if it is, you won't remember it anyway - because you won't exist
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:13 PM
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28. Well, I don't know about peace. I've been shot, had malaria and stage 4
lymphoma. I've found that having a fake ID really fucks death up.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 05:32 PM
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31. I hope to deny it exists until the last nail is hammered home.
But if I was terminally ill and in pain, I wouldn't hang in there no matter what. It's the quality that matters, not the length.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:15 AM
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49. I couldn't agree more with this
<But if I was terminally ill and in pain, I wouldn't hang in there no matter what. It's the quality that matters, not the length>
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:10 PM
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40. Since it is inevitable, why worry about it?
That seriously is my attitude, death is the great equalizer and there is no avoiding it, and i have enough gray hair from worrying about things within my control :)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:13 PM
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41. This is not natural to everyone, you know...
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:18 PM
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42. I think it is something learned with age,
i mean there has to be some benefit from putting up with the other deficiencies age brings along :P
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:19 PM
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43. I would hope...
But this is no assurance
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:27 PM
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44. The other option is fatalistic
If you look at friends who have died for no reason, etc. You perhaps might dwell on the futility of life. I have seen friends in perfect health die while jogging of all things, i have seen other friends die in acts ranging from tragedy to stupidity.

Coming to grips with life being an ephemeral thing can take you down a few paths, i just choose acceptance.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:31 PM
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46. Logic makes me choose acceptance
But my psyche rails against this - wanting immortality

Fatal design flaw of beings - they are finite beings seeking immortality

This is ALL life, not just humans

Of course, this is good Evolution - rather evolution that keeps the organism alive long enough to procreate - which is the ultimate determiner in the end
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:30 PM
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45. win-win situation
Well, you can't lose on this one. If there is an afterlife, it's a (maybe) pleasant surprise.

If there isn't, you won't know about it.




Cher
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:32 PM
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47. But its not win/win
Lets just say you make a lot of choices based on religious superstition because of trying to gain this afterlife

Is that a life wasted or not - I'm sure you know my answer
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 06:39 PM
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48. I've never had a problem with the idea of death
I'm not keen on the dying part, as I don't much like pain, but death doesn't bother me. Never has.

It's a natural part of life :shrug:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:48 AM
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50. No need to make peace with it.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 07:51 AM by Deep13
It's just a fact of life. There's a beginning and an end. My subjective feelings on the matter are irrelevant because it will happen regardless.

I'm sure my last thought will be, "I wish I had spent more time at the office" or "I wish I had worried about money some more."
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:17 PM
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51. Well yeah, until it happens to YOU
And at that point, you'll wish you made peace with it - but not for long...
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:13 PM
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52. I have no fear of death.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 07:14 PM
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53. I would want death to make peace with itself and return to life n/t
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