"A Dance With Dragons" dead pool!

[XemaSab]

Who will live and who will DIE???

And for the bonus, who will the viewpoint characters be?

Lady Stoneheart (nee Catelyn)
Jon Snow
Sansa Stark
Arya Stark
Bran Stark
Rickon Stark

Hodor
Osha
Jojen Reed
Meera Reed

Jeyne Westerling

Jamie Lannister
Cercei Lannister
Tyrion Lannister
Myrcella
Tommen
Margaery

Daenerys
Ser Jorah Mormont
Barristan the Bold
Strong Belwas
THE DRAGONS

Sam the Slayer

Roose Bolton
Ramsey Bolton

Littlefinger
Varys
Maester Pycelle
Qyburn
Ilyn Payne
Gregor Clegane
Sandor Clegane

Brienne
Gendry

Edmure Tully
Brynden Tully

Bronn

Walder Frey

Euron
Victarion
Aeron
Theon
Asha

Robin Arryn
Harold the Heir

Mace Tyrell
Willas Tyrell
Loras Tyrell
Olenna Redwyne

Stannis
Davos
Melisandre

[Duer 157099]

1. Good god, I couldn't even begin to guess

I'm still in either ACOK or ASOS, depending on which POV I'm following... I'm really reading these books in a weird way, not even backasswards, sort of sideasswards. I'm most intrigued by Arya and Jon and Sam's stories so am furthest along on theirs.

The only thing I've learned so far about this author is that you cannot predict what the hell he's going to pull out of his hat. "Burn them all!" is probably what will eventually happen.

[Mudoria]

2. A better question is whether it will be 6 years before the next one is out

I'm 56... I don't have the time to wait 10-12 years for him to finish up at the rate he writes.

[Frank Cannon]

5. I hope and pray that GRRM has 10-12 years, as well.

He's not exactly the healthiest looking guy.

[NewJeffCT]

13. And, he's a good liberal, too

and, who knows what the pressure of finishing before the HBO series catches up to the books will do to his stress/blood pressure.

[Frank Cannon]

15. I didn't know that, but it stands to reason.

Anyway, I just hope the guy stays healthy enough to finish this thing. It really is a masterpiece, and he truly is an incredible writer.

[NewJeffCT]

18. After Bush "won" in 2004

Martin posted the quote from Thomas Jefferson about the "reign of witches" on his website. And, another time he mentioned about his obligation to pay taxes and "like a good liberal, I believe taxes are the price we pay for civilization" or something like that.

[Frank Cannon]

23. You can tell from his writing that he has a real sympathy for the underdog.

His heroes are all dealing with handicaps or come from one sort of fucked-up situation or another. Contrast this with Republican writers (Dean Koontz, Orson Scott Card, e.g.) whose protagonists tend to be "Mary Sues" who are supernaturally moral or capable and never seem to be in any real peril.

[XemaSab]

26. I have decided that the series is about how the powerless get and keep power

In GoT, big, wealthy, strong men with swords are the powerful people.

Eddard and Theon are the only POV characters who fit this description.

Jon and Jaime initially fit this description, but Jon's a bastard and Jaime becomes disabled.

Daenerys, Catelyn, Brienne, and Cercei (among others) are women.

Sansa and Arya are girl children.

Tyrion's a dwarf and Bran's a crippled child.

Non-POV characters who are scheming for power include Joffrey, Littlefinger, and Varys.

Each of the characters has to learn how to become his or her own agent.

[DebJ]

6. LOL! My thoughts exactly...that's what I told my hubby! n/t

[Duer 157099]

3. Just today I was reading the part where (spoiler)

Sandor Clegane fought with Baric Dondarrian, and I was concerned that he might be killed.

But I see from the list that clearly that didn't happen (whew! He seems like Tyrion in that he's a good guy trying to make the best of a bad situation)

But why is Gregor still around? Arya's list not getting trimmed sufficiently?

[cemaphonic]

17. Sandor Cleglane is a blackhearted, amoral, cynical villian

whose main redeeming feature is that he is slightly less evil than his brother.

I think he's one of the best characters in the series, and is clearly on a redemptive plot arc, but calling him a good guy is really stretching it.

As for Gregor, Cersei gave him to Qyburn to play with in the dungeons - his current fate is unelaborated, but narrative logic suggests "alive" (or some form of undeath) to me.

[Frank Cannon]

24. Sandor Clegane is a savage brute, but he's not really cruel.

That is to say, he doesn't torture, kill, and watch people suffer just for the fun of it. It's always because he's just doing his job or because it serves a useful purpose.

If he were a Dungeons & Dragons character, I'd probably paint his alignment as Neutral Evil--as opposed to Chaotic Evil, which I would classify Joffrey in.

[XemaSab]

25. It's hard to have sympathy for the guy

who rode down Mycah. :(

[Frank Cannon]

27. Yeah, that was a total asshole move.

But again, it fits with his character. Joffrey the Psychopath ordered him to do it.

It's kind of like how regardless of any cool things Jaime Lannister might do, we really can never forgive him for defenestrating Brandon.

[TZ]

4. At least one Stark minimum.

I believe thats SOP for all of the books...

[DebJ]

7. Arya is one of my favorite characters. I hope her condition is

temporary. I think Catelyn is already dead/undead.

I really did not enjoy Feast of Crows the way I enjoyed the other books, but that may be because I read them all in rapid succession (I think it took me 3-4 weeks). I didn't enjoy the new set of characters as much, and got tired of the descriptions. But maybe I was just on Martin burn-out. Perhaps if I had waited several years between the last two books, it would have been more like re-visiting an old friend.

Still, I didn't think that the new characters were developed as well; I didn't make good connections with them.

[NewJeffCT]

12. I read books 2 and 3 when they came out

and, the long time between books 3 and 4 killed me - I had forgotten so much of what had happened in books 1-3 that I gave up in frustration. I'm going to listen to the audiobooks of 1-3 to refresh my memory and then pick up Feast for Crows & Dance with Dragons once done.

[DebJ]

8. What about Tyrion's whore? I'd like to know who she really

was and how she got to where she is.

[cemaphonic]

16. Shae? Don't think there are any mysteries about her.

Just a camp follower that caught Tyrion's eye.

As to how she got to where she is, the only minor question is ->that she was in Tywin's bed, despite his well established dislike of whore and his reputation for fidelity to the memory of his dead wife. Even there, there are plenty of satisfactory answers that would be consistent with his characterization.

[DebJ]

19. Shae had said she was from an upper class family, and there

were a few other details I forgot now. Was in the scene with the drinking game.

[Supply Side Jesus]

9. I got a feeling Kingslayer won't see another summer

I also heard Melisandre will have a POV chapter

Davos not die....but,, we knows what happens to the honorable in Westeros

[nolabear]

10. I'm mid Book 3 and am afraid to read any posts. Half the damn charactres SEEM to be dead.

but I assume there's more here than meets the eye.

I need a genogram.

[Frank Cannon]

22. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the same book and I agree.

I assume you've passed the... um... "incident".

[NewJeffCT]

11. Weren't Davos & Ser Gregor killed?

I think either Jamie or Cersei will die. Not sure which one.

The Stark to die will be Sansa - I think something big will happen with Bran in the end. And, I think Arya will be around at the end, too.

I think Walder Frey will be the last person left at the end (just kidding)

And, I think Grand Maester Pycelle will finally die.

[DebJ]

20. What about Rickon Stark?

[XemaSab]

21. I really hope he's one of the narrators

:D

[burrfoot]

14. Sshhh!

Careful everyone- I read somewhere that every time someone asks him when the next book is coming out, Martin kills another Stark...!

:evilgrin: