A question for DUer's....

[Arbustosux]

We all know that Bush and his cronies are not adverse to taking a circuitous route to achieve their goals.

Take abortion rights for example. They attempt to obtain equal rights for a fetus so that later they can claim that since the fetus already holds so many rights, it should similarly hold the right not to be killed.

This got me thinking about Bush's proposed immigration reform. These workers will share in the Social Security pool regardless of where they reside. While maybe fair on its face, this will create an incredible drain on an already floundering system.

Do you think the ultimate goal is the destruction of the Social Security system?

[Beearewhyain]

1. Yes

It seems to me the repugs have a long history of gutting social programs to make them inefficient and ineffectual. When the problems emerge they then point to the program and say "see, we told you that government social programs always fail, social programs are bad" The bottom line is that if they can't stop something then they try to design it to fail.

[trumad]

2. The ultimate goal is to privatize everything

and that includes SS.

[lastknowngood]

5. Killing Social Security is part of the PNAC plan

Check out there goals. The idea is to bankrupt the federal government
so they can eliminate Social Security, medcare, medcaid,EPA, DHHS
and any other socialy responsible things the government is involved
in including regulating business in any way. These are some of their
stated goals. It is well documented at their own site.

[Sir_Shrek]

3. Social Security doesn't need any help.

It's already on the way down the toliet.

[Sapphocrat]

4. I'm no expert...

...but I believe Social Security is only one part of the entire system slated for destruction, and Bush's* immigration plan is only one method of dozens being carried out right now. Going hand-in-hand: no checks on off-shoring jobs solely for corporate gain at the expense of the American worker, deliberate weakening of the U.S. dollar overseas, and a whole bunch of other stuff it's too early in the morning for me to think about.

The ultimate goal is destruction of the middle class, so we'll end up with a handful of rich Bushies* lording over 300 million proles.

My version is so simplified, it's simplistic -- but as I said, I'm no expert. I think there are plenty of folks here who will agree with my meaning, but will be able to explain the whole, ugly, interconnected mess much better than I can.

[HereSince1628]

6. I am not sure this is tinfoilery, but maybe...

Bush and Walker families along with other banking interests in the 1930's hated FDR and all the policies of that administration. I think Arbusto probably picked up such ideas beginning with the first meals in which he was allowed to sit at the table with both parents.

Rolling back ALL social progress to pre-great depression standards is a mission objective of the GOP.

Could that include a convoluted attack on the Social Security system? Sure. But in general liberals feel nuanced/complicated/convoluted solutions aren't appealling to conservatives.

Which is exactly why we should watch out for such a thing.

[oldleftguy]

7. Circuitous is a great word to describe the Republican strategy.

Driving us deep into debt to offer an excuse to drop social spending because of it's afforability goes back to the Reagan years. Remember how happy Bush was with his "winning the Trifecta".

[DuctapeFatwa]

8. People without papers already pay into social security

they pay into your account, not theirs, because they don't have one.

That means millions of people paying into social security, who won't get benefits. Every kid born here whose undocumented parent dies gets no benefit, regardless of what they paid.

You can kill social security a lot quicker if you just let that keep on going until the class action suit timebomb detonates.

[oldleftguy]

9. Good Point!

[flaminbats]

10. most of the migrant workers are in the younger age group.

This means that if they could eventually become taxpayers, they would help to support the system as the baby-boomers retire.

But having a Social Security number and building up credits in the system is the only way of getting eligibility. Many such workers aren't currently payed minimum wage or even pay income tax, so why even worry about an imaginary drain on Social Security?