floridaguy
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Tue Jan-13-04 12:07 PM
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Clark campaign has hit the hyperspace button . . |
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Just in time to become the best chance to beat George Bush, the Clark campaign is soaring. Last weeks poll indicating Clark was essentially in a dead heat with Dean was only the beginning.
The grassroots efforts are increasing geometrically. I have a small group in Florida that has gone from 50 to 150 in a matter of days!
I hope that the professional organization by the Dean campaign will not be lost in helping Clark beat Bush.
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digno dave
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Tue Jan-13-04 12:14 PM
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I feel the mo also. Nice to know all of our work is paying off.
DOWN WITH THE KING
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candy331
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Tue Jan-13-04 12:35 PM
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2. I hope Clark enjoys the free |
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ride while the sharks are circling elsewhere because surely you know that the other candidates will wake up to smell that their single attacks on Dean is not helping them but is helping Clark especially Kerry. They will soon be nipping at his heels, you can bet your booty on that and soon. In fact I would love to see Clark in the debates getting frontal attacks. I know he has defended himself on TV,radio,which is good but not the frontal attacks from the other candidates. Take this as flame if you must but it is not intended as such, I just want to see how Clark will handle himself under the same pressure as Dean.
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Wed Jan-14-04 02:10 AM
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Negative attacks are inevitable because these guys simply can't understand how badly out of touch they are.
While Dean's campaign may be "peaking" or "plateuing" or even "tanking" it has nothing to do with any smacks the other candidates are taking at him. He may actually be pushing up against the "lemonade law", meaning that while you can sell lemonade at a fast clip at high noon on an August day, that doesn't mean it'll sell as well in October. There are a finite number of people who are dedicated enough to put in the time and effort to keep a populist movement going, and Dean may have already attracted as many of them as he's likely to get. He certainly has done a better job at that than anyone else.
The various slams the other candidates have taken at Dean actually seem to have solidified his support so that while it doesn't seem to be growing, it'll take plastique to shake it.
Clark, coming from a different place, will most likely experience the same result. Opponents and the press will continue the same old attacks (how many times will we hear about Shelton, for example) over and over again, with the same lack of effect. The numbers of hard core Clarkistas will grow until its own natural limit and then nothing we can do will expand that number. It should be enough, though, and that's all anyone can hope for.
So, anyway, thanks for your commment. It isn't likely that the others will lay a glove on Clark (though who knows, right?) and in the end it'll probably be Dean vs Clark going into the convention. So it goes.
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Wed Jan-14-04 02:22 PM
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4. Clark enjoys it all - did strategy for a living. Won't whine about it. |
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here's an opinion on him:
He's running for president, and he is not used to losing. And if he gets the nomination, he'll go up and down this country and beat on President Bush like a drum. He'll do 2,000 yards every morning; he'll rappel down any cliff he needs to; he will shake off any small-arms fire as if it were a swarm of gnats. And he'll get better at the game each and every day. He hates to lose. And he doesn't run from fights. And even if he's never played the game, he's never a beginner at anything. Dismissed."
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Wed Jan-14-04 02:53 PM
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6. Must have had too much caffeine this morning |
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Clark, never a beginner at anything? He's never run for civilian elective office before so that makes him a beginner in that sphere.
The fact that he couldn't make inroads in Iowa, prove that he's not such a hot candidate and his dismal showing in NH is a product of his delusions and inexperience. Sure he's rising now, but that is because he skipped 2 Prez debates to concentrate on campaigning in NH while Dean was busy doing what a top contender does -- show up and debate his rivals, and Clark sits in the shadow of Dean the frontrunner, who is taking the unjustified pot shots from his rivals. As soon as Iowa is over, Clark will be in Kerry's target line as well as Dean's. Clark has already proven that when the heat is on him, he suffers meltdowns. So, I can understand why Clark skipped the last 2 debates. He really has to make as much inroads as possible in NH before Dean, Kerry, and the rest turn their full attention on NH. And remember, while Clark's numbers are rising, his support is soft and that is a worry for him and his campaign.
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Wed Jan-14-04 04:23 PM
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Edited on Wed Jan-14-04 04:23 PM by ourwinter
put both of your hands on your face
and blow
"fffffffffffrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrvvvvvvvvvvvvv"
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Wed Jan-14-04 03:56 PM
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9. Really, he can't confabulate Democratic issues |
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when the magnifying glass is on him.
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Wed Jan-14-04 04:33 PM
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11. I would love to see it too |
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I think he will handle it beautifully.
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Larkspur
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Wed Jan-14-04 02:41 PM
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5. Maybe the Clark campaign is actually hyperventilating, not in hyperspace |
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This "Clark campaign is soaring" hype was spread when Clark promenaded into the Prez race in September 2003. He entered with a media hyped bubble and his fall began shortly thereafter when he failed to live up to the hype.
This hype is again produced by a media trying to make a close race out of one that was looking to be a blowout by popular demand. Dean's campaign is the only one reviving our nation's Democratic spirit, that is why Dean's campaign is called "Dean for America" instead of "Dean for President", and why the media moguls are terrified of it.
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Wed Jan-14-04 05:33 PM
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12. If Dean is so popular with Democrats, then why do only 30% on Dem's support |
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him? Dean is only the plurality favorite, NOT the absolute favorite of Democrats. You're right that Clark didn't live up to the hype, but his recent "hype" is authentic, and not stirred by the media.
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Wed Jan-14-04 02:59 PM
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This is the second time I've seen someone hoping to cannibalize Dean's organization for their own purposes. Yeah, it would be nice if such a thing were possible, but I remember a post awhile back about a Dean supporter posting to the Clark blog regarding the need, if Clark wins, to be able to do what Dean supporters have been doing for Clark with the same responsiveness from the Clark campaing.
This post was derided as a troll and many said there was no reason for Clark to listen to her (thus proving that she had a valid concern.)
What exactly does the Clark campaign hope to get that it hasn't created for itself?
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Larkspur
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Wed Jan-14-04 03:54 PM
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8. Dean's professional campaign? It's Clark's that is run by Clintonistas |
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or the professional politicians and aides.
Dean has his professional steering group, which he does need. Trippi is an old Washington insider who was always kind of an outsider anyway. But Dean's campaign is fueled by volunteer grassroots supporters, like me and my enthusiasm and dollars are not a commodity that will be transfered to Clark or any other non-Dean candidate, who could win the nomination. Dean earned my support and dollars. Clark and the others have earned my scorn. I'll vote ABB, but the only effort I'd make for a non-Dean Prez candidate is what I volunteer to my Dem Town Comm. and my dollars will go to my DTC and MoveOn.org.
Clark's campaign is a copycat version of Dean's. We know that the Clark campaign has alreay been plagerizing Dean's web site ideas, so it's not surprise that Clark's campaign is stealing the Dean's "Greatest Grassroots Movement" mantra.
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Wed Jan-14-04 06:17 PM
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We are the campaign.....for Clark....
We, the grassroot movement that drafted Clark.
You can choose not to believe it....and therefore,
you will be in for a rude awakening!
Don't set yourself up.....on the other hand... Please do!
It will be fascinating to watch crow being eaten!
Dean is not the only game in town.....only that he and Trippi has led his "followers" to believe that.
Fooled you once, OK......but closing eyes won't make the truth go away.
Tell them the truth, and they'll think it's hell - Harry S. Truman
Repeated by Wes Clark on September 17th upon announcing his candidacy....repeated since by many other candidates who like to repeat everything that Clark initiates....and claim it as their own!
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Wed Jan-14-04 06:14 PM
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I couldn't guess how strong a show of support this is, and maybe its not one at all, but in the past week I have been asked where I got my Clark bumper stickers (back window and side windows). These are folks who I have been talking to for months most of whom were generally dissatisfied with Bush in the spring, done with him by the summer, and looking for a Democrat by fall. Anyway when I contributed to the campaign I also bought two dozen of the things so I had some to give to them.
Know something, I take it as a sign of committment when a person sticks something on their car. So I wracked up 4. More to go ...
Thom
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