After seeing Evan Bayh on the beltway boys

[Egnever]

I have made my final decision!

The DLC is dead to me. They are dinos pure and simple completely out of touch with what I believe the democratic party stands for. The fact that they would try to tear down any democratic candidate is the last straw!

Screw the DLC and screw any candidate they endorse!

I cant wait for the transcripts of this show to be released. These pigs need to be exposed for the republican apologizers they are!

They need to start thier own party or I need to get out of this one I am not sure wich!

[Cha]

1. It's simple! WE Are the Democrats of the Democratic Party!

they are the dlc of the democrats/constantly/lose party!

I know which one I chose a long time ago!

[GOPBasher]

4. "DLC is the constantly lose party"

I don't think that's true, since our only president in the past 23 years was a DLCer.

Having said that, I have been disappointed with them lately, because they trash Howard Dean. I don't see why they'd want to divide our party like that. To beat Bush, we need leftists AND centrists, not one or the other.

[Mari333]

2. Ya I saw him too

what a BLOW JOB he was.....disgusting.

[Sandstorm]

3. Your post disappoints me

So much for the all-inclusive Democratic party.

[T Roosevelt]

5. The all inclusive Democratic party

doesn't have room for Republican politicians - which seems to be what Bayh is...

[w4rma]

6. The DLC started the divisive attacks on the Democratic base

The Democratic base will finish this.

There are way more of us than there are Corporatist DLCers.

[AfricanDonkey]

34. activists not base, the base are way too busy with their real lives

to care about Politics right now.

[blm]

35. Why would Bayh attack Dean, one of his best friends

who even uses Bayh's wife as his official escort.

[Egnever]

9. Like I said

They can get lost or I can matters not to me. I am not interested in a party that goes on national TV to tear down thier own.

[valphoosier]

10. hear hear

If we're gonna win, we have to accept liberals and moderates under our lovely (and, no doubt, American made) big tent.
As a Hoosier, I constantly go back and forth on whether or not I will vote for Evan Bayh in 2004, but, in a state like Indiana, Evan Bayh is as good as it gets. He votes for Tom Daschle, and votes against judges like Estrada and Owens (he certainly crosses lines frequently, but he also sticks with us frequently). We have to understand that people like Evan Bayh have a meaningful place in our party while, at the same time, standing up for our ideals (especially when it comes to our presidential nominee).
While Kennedy, Clinton, et al., are our heart and soul, Bayh, Landrieu, and Lieberman have their place as well.
We must stop being critical of each other.... and we need to be united. If we aren't united, you can kiss 2004 goodbye; only unity will bring a democrat into the white house (and the speakers office, etc) in 2004.

[jiacinto]

15. Here is the problem

Some people won't accept anything short of a raving socialist or Marxist in office. Because Bayh is neither he is considered a DINO.

[NewJerseyDem]

I usually agree that moderates are fine

However, I felt that Bayh's comments on that show were inappropriate. He really stepped over the line in his criticism of his fellow democrats.

[jiacinto]

19. Do you want Dan Burton in his seat

or some other type of right wing Republican?

[NewJerseyDem]

20. Obviously no

However, I think that what he said is extremely inappropriate for a Democrat to say about other democrats. I'm not saying that he should lose his seat to a republican but I can still critisize him without wanting a republican in his seat.

[jiacinto]

25. But too many DUers think like that

They are so "pure" that with their approach they would be perfectly happy if we had only 35 Senate Seats, 150 House Seats, and 10 Governorship because they would be "perfect". They would not be able to do much of anything, but they would be "true" Democrats.

[DrFunkenstein]

27. The Liberal Curse Of Purity

Liberals can't make a coalition of two. They are exactly in the position conservatives were in during the 60's.

[NewJerseyDem]

16. I usually agree that moderates are fine

However, I felt that Bayh's comments on that show were inappropriate. He really stepped over the line in his criticism of his fellow democrats.

[blm]

7. Can't stand Bayh...he's a compromising centrist...

he talks like one and he governs as one. He is the center's center. He may even be to the right of Dean. Effing corporatists.

[Ishkaboogl]

8. yeah, from indiana

u think a true liberal could be elected senator from indiana? given today's political climate. we need more bayh's from more states like indiana. of course, we should have no use for bayh's in states that we don't need him, but in indiana, he is absolutely perfect.

[Josh]

11. Evan Bayh will be President of the United States one day

Mark the date. I said it. I know he's not running in this cycle, but I'm making this bold prediction that someday he will be President.

(Doesn't mean I like him - I actually don't, and despite the fact that I'm for Graham, the more I hear people - PARTICULARLY other Democrats - diss Dean the more I like the guy.)

[blm]

13. Take away the sudden change to populist rhetoric

and Dean's record and style of governance for 11 years is not much different than Bayh. Except to those who buy his dog and pony show of a conversion.

[blm]

30. What's with Dean and Bayh?

And why is Dean so close to Bayh that Bayh's wife is Dean's official escort at events? Compromising centrists sticking together?

[burr]

18. your right bmt, he is compromising the center...

that damned LIBERAL!~! Time to move even closer to the center...

Hell, we need a fucking standard for the Parties. Blue to the GOP, White for the party of moderation "that's us"..., and red for all the third party wackos who are a goddamned threat!

If you do not put your label on every morning before leaving home, you will by law be arrested for being a threat to homeland security. Let us all be modest about this and, except the fact that a radical and unrestrained message is just too much for the voters to handle. Let polling guide us to our future, and supporting new department funding and tax cuts prove our commitment to morality and patriotism.

[jos]

12. Evan Bayh

is the DINO/DLC poster boy. He's even worse than Lieberman!

[NewJerseyDem]

14. I saw it too

What a jackass. He was basically saying that Bush is better than Dean. He kept on going on about how bad some of the liberals are on national security and how they are weak on defense.

Here is my theory.

Bayh is trying to sabotage any potential presidential nominee, particularly Dean. Then, Bush will win and Bayh can run for president in 2008. His problem is he will NEVER win the democratic nomination.

[burr]

17. You solved it...

buy yourself a chipwich, and let the DLC chip away at the soul of our party!

[Freddie Stubbs]

21. Screw all 74 New Democrats in the House?

That would give the Republicans a pretty large majority.

http://www.house.gov/adamsmith/NDC/ndc_members.html

Co-Chairs:

Jim Davis
(FL-11) Ron Kind
(WI-03) Adam Smith
(WA-09)


Alphabetical Listing:
* Designates a member of the Executive Council
** Designates President of the Executive Council

Tom Allen
(ME-01)
Anna Eshoo
(CA-14) Zoe Lofgren
(CA-16) Mike Ross
(AR-04)

Joe Baca
(CA-42)
Bob Etheridge
(NC-02) Ken Lucas
(KY-04) Steve Rothman
(NJ-09)
Brian Baird
(WA-03)
Harold Ford*
(TN-09) Carolyn McCarthy
(NY-04)
Loretta Sanchez
(CA-46)

Chris Bell
(TX-25) Charlie Gonzalez
(TX-20) Karen McCarthy
(MO-05) Max Sandlin
(TX-01)

Shelley Berkley
(NV-01) Jane Harman**
(CA-36) Mike McIntyre
(NC-07) Adam Schiff
(CA-27)

Marion Berry
(AR-01) Baron Hill
(IN-09) Denise Majette
(GA-04) David Scott
(GA-13)

Earl Blumenauer
(OR-03) Ruben Hinojosa
(TX-15) Carolyn Maloney
(NY-14) Brad Sherman
(CA-24)
Lois Capps
(CA-22) Joseph Hoeffel
(PA-13) Jim Matheson
(UT-02) Vic Snyder
(AR-02)
Dennis Cardoza
(CA-18) Rush Holt
(NJ-12) Bob Matsui
(CA-05) John Spratt
(SC-05)
Brad Carson
(OK-02) Mike Honda
(CA-15) Gregory Meeks
(NY-06) Charlie Stenholm
(TX-17)
Ed Case
(HI-02) Darlene Hooley*
(OR-05) Mike Michaud
(ME-02) Bart Stupak
(MI-01)
Jim Cooper
(TN-05) Jay Inslee
(WA-01) Brad Miller
(NC-13) John Tanner
(TN-08)

Bud Cramer
(AL-05) Steve Israel
(NY-02) Juanita Millender-McDonald
(CA-37) Ellen Tauscher
(CA-10)
Joseph Crowley
(NY-07) Chris John
(LA-07) Dennis Moore
(KS-03) Mike Thompson
(CA-01)
Artur Davis
(AL-07) Nick Lampson
(TX-09) Jim Moran*
(VA-08) Jim Turner
(TX-02)
Susan Davis*
(CA-49) James Langevin
(RI-02) Grace Napolitano
(CA-34) Tom Udall
(NM-03)
Peter Deutsch
(FL-20)
Rick Larsen
(WA-02) David Price
(NC-04) Robert Wexler
(FL-19)
Cal Dooley*
(CA-20) John Larson
(CT-01) Silvestre Reyes
(TX-16) David Wu
(OR-01)
Rahm Emanuel*
(IL-05)

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Take away the 19 members of the Sentate New Democratic Coalition

and Bush gets every judicial nominee he wants.

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir.cfm


Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
John Breaux, U.S. Senator, LA
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
John Edwards, U.S. Senator, NC
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
Bob Graham, U.S. Senator, FL
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
Zell Miller, U.S. Senator, GA
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI

[NewJerseyDem]

24. Not all are even moderates

Some of those senators don't really belong in any organization that is supposed to be moderate.

Cantwell, Edwards, Kohl, Johnson, Stabenow and even Conrad are all fairly liberal. They probably just pretend to be moderates so that they can win elections. The same thing is in the house. The New Democratic Coalition isn't entirely moderates.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

31. you missed Kerry

one of the most liberal on that list. Shows his political savy.

[jiacinto]

26. But see all too many DUers think like that

Unless the Democrat is a raving Marxist they won't support them. They would be perfectly fine if the Democrats were an ineffectual minority. If the Democrats held only 35 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, and 150 House Seats, they would be happy. Even though they could do nothing they would happy with them since they would be "true" Democrats.

They would rather have a minority that could do ZERO than get only part of what they want.

[burr]

28. Of course the other 29 members should only have a secondary place.

When it comes to some of the Senators you have listed, they have done more harm than good. A vote for Dascle isn't enough, we need some agreement to oppose tax cuts with our huge debt, and agreement on what level of intellegence information to expect from the President before supporting the invasion of another country.

These Senators are more interested in their own re-election and helping shrub than the country's national interest, or the fiscal impact of their votes. They include Tim Johnson, Mary Landrui, Ben Nelson, Herb Kohl, and Zell Miller.

[mndemocrat_29]

36. Johnson and Kohl

Tim Johnson and Herb Kohl are not super conservative neo cons. I'd put them as moderate-liberals. And what would you rather have, Sens. Johnson, Landrieu, Nelson, Kohl, and Miller, or Sens. Thune, Terrell, Osborne, Ryan, and Gingrich?

[DrFunkenstein]

23. Screw the DLC and screw any candidate they endorse!

You'd fall all over yourself if the DLC endorsed Dean. It would be proof that he's a centrist and a pragmatist and a realist and blah blah blah.

Could this thread be in response to the thread about the DLC getting behind your arch-rival, John Kerry - a progressive in deeds, not words?

[blm]

29. Bayh and Dean are so close that Susan Bayh acts as First Lady

for Dean during events where he needs an escort.

How can it be that Dean, the DLC poster boy governor for 11 years is SO CLOSE to Evan Bayh that Bayh's wife acts as Dean's official escort?

[tameszu]

32. Whoa--is Dean gettin' it awwwwwn...

...with Susan Bayh?!?

Because, dudes, as much respect as I have for the good doctor now, I would be 110% behind him if he were mackin' sweet, sweet http://bayh.senate.gov/gallery_gov_01.html">Susan Bayh!

This is the real 800-pound gorilla in the room--the Dems' real secret is it wins when it's led by a serious MAC DADDY with piles of MOJO, baby! WE ARE THE PARTY OF SWEET LOVIN'! Bring back the Big Dog and his Schlong of Destruction!

The Doctor of Lurve You Long Time is in!

</joke>

Um, OK, back to normal now...

[Herschel]

33. Evan Bayh speaks the truth

A moderate Democrat who will agressively protect us from terror is the best chance. That is Joe Lieberman.