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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:19 PM
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OK so Liberman and Bush are on the Ballot, what do you do?
Would you really give Bush a second term? Or would you hold your nose and vote for him anyway?


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:23 PM
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1. Kill myself
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:25 PM
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2. I vote for Bush
Pure and simple.

Let the Republicans have their little treasury looting party. Completely destroy all Democratic opposition (we are three quarters of the way there already) and make sure that the current Democratic leadership is completely discredited and humiliated.

Begin building a new Democratic Party based on solid principles and values with our eyes on the 2012 elections. Build a liberal wing of the media which is masculine, irreverant, hard cutting and based on class warfare to counter the right wing propaganda machine.

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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:45 PM
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7. What else would they loot?
What else would they ruin? international relations? the environment?
Worst case scenario from these chickenhawks :nuke:
Sure we could rebuild the democratic party. It would be fun in a high stress high rewards romanticized wonky way. But else would we have to rebuild? Already we have Afghanistan & Iraq. Iran? N. Korea? Syria?

Bang my head against the voting booth, hold my nose, get chimpy out and fight my butt off to push Liberman more left, and make sure the next guys better.
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peaceandjustice Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:17 AM
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42. nothing Gore/Lieberman wouldn't have ruined
I've said it before but I have a hard time believing Gore wouldn't have been just as quick to goto war with Afghanistan and Iraq,considering his silence when CLinton bombed the pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. And Gore negotiated developing an airport in the Everglades for an interested campaign donor and was completely inactive on his promise to shut down the East Liverpool incinerator in Ohio, his environmental record is blown far out of proportion.
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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:00 AM
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24. That would destroy the country!
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 01:17 PM
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52. No, that would destroy the Democratic Party
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:49 PM
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39. What if it's Bush vs. another Dem -- not Lieberman and not Dean

but one of the other current candidates? Than how would you vote?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:55 PM
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40. Not sure i would go that far
Bush scares the hell out of me.

However if Joe somehow did manage to get the nomination then i would be done with the democratic party forver. I would probably vote leiberman anyway but that would be then end of it. It would only delay the demise of the dems for a few years. If this party doesnt get off its ass and become a real oposition party this year. Then I agree with you time to destroy them and begin a new party.

Not sure letting bush stay in office would be worth the damage he would cause though. It will take years to repair the damage he has done allready given four more years unfetered and it could tke decades.
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greenwow Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:32 PM
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3. If that happens, I'll take election day
as a chance to catch-up on my reading. No need to spend three hours to go vote just to have no choice.

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:32 PM
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4. cry
cry cry, then scream.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:34 PM
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5. I'd pinch myself cuz that could only happen in a bad dream.
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BlueState Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:36 PM
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6. I vote Lieberman
With strong reservations. By doing so I hope (possibly naively) that one; he needs to get senate and house Democrats behind him and progresses some of he Democratic platform, two; that he could be successful with the economy and foreign policy bringing more voters to the party and increasing the chance that more liberal and moderate Democrats can be elected.

The danger, and some will argue a more likely scenario, is that any success would bring the party further to the right, failure would damage the future for any Dem, left, right or center.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:50 PM
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8. VoteClark (NT)
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:52 PM
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10. Sceam at the top of my lungs. Then move to France.
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duid12 Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:52 PM
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9. Stay home
Stay home is what I would do...not worth the effort.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:53 PM
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11. HAHA...gas is expensive..
Why would I drive to the ballot box and waste it on two Republicans?
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:01 PM
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12. I'd vote for him
But every day it becomes harder to have enthusiasm about Lieberman or Gephardt or any of the establishment candidates.

I never planned to be part of an insurgency campaign. All I wanted was to be part of the Democratic Establishment. But I am getting more and more into the Dean campaign and more and more excited about him, and it becomes harder and harder to envision how I will be able to enthusiastically support anyone else. If Kerry is the nominee I could, if the New Hampshire primary does not leave me too bitter. And I like Edwards...he is more conservative but he is charismatic and gets people fired up...but it will be very hard to throw my heart into anyone else's campaign. This was why I originally did not want to get involved in any primary campaigns - I wanted to focus on beating Bush, not attacking other Democrats. I don't regret it though - this campaign has been an amazing experience. It has gotten me out and interacting with people and going to events that I would never otherwise go to. And who knows if I will ever have the chance to work for a candidate I like so much again, at least for a long time.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:06 PM
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13. start checking the real estate prices in Costa Rica
cause there ain't no way Holy Joe is beating Smirk
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:34 PM
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14. Start packing for Canada...... eom
:evilgrin:
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:42 PM
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15. Yes, Would Vote for Lieberman
Fortunately this hypothetical isn't every going to be real. I can't figure out how Lieberman wins a single primary.
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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:47 PM
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16. Easy, here is how
He places 2, 3, and 4, in so many of them he gets really close while the other candidates only win one or two primaries. Then, other candidates throw their delegates to him and then the Super delegates vote for him. Bingo, he gets the nomination.


J4Clark
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:22 PM
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21. That's a Longshot...
...to say the least. I think this thing is over two or three weeks after New Hampshire.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:49 PM
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17. vote Green, write-in Pat Paulson, ANYTHING but squander my vote...
...on a repig or a republicrat.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:53 PM
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18. I'd vote for Lieberman
Lieberman is right wing on foreign affairs, but he's an economic centrist and a social liberal.

Bush is extreme right wing on every single thing excepts deficits; he seems to like those.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:54 PM
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19. vote green
...or write in a Marijuana Reform Candidate.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:06 PM
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20. Vote for Lieberman
That's a no brainer.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:48 PM
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22. Pretty much ANYONE but Bush! And that includes Lieberman!
I'd probably vote for my GOP Congressman (Vern Ehlers), Andrew Card, Ari Fleischer, Dick Posthumus (2002 GOP nominee for Michigan governor), Energy Secretary (and former Senator from Michigan) Spence Abraham, or even Ken Lay over Bush.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:09 PM
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23. I would change my party registration to "independent"
and vote for Lieberman. I would no longer consider myself a member of a party that could nominate someone so conservative. I would not, in the future, donate money to the Dem. party on a national level. It would be the final betrayal.

But, in the 2004 election, I would consider getting rid of Bush the number one priority.
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corgigrrl Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:07 AM
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25. Don't give yourself unnecessary nightmares
Lieberman got boo'ed tonight at the Labor forum in Chicago, the man is toast.

Don't even get your knickers in a twist about this loser. Think about more complicated and interesting scenarios. Holy Joe is out of it.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:08 AM
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45. exactly......
my cat has a better chance at winning the nomination.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:54 AM
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26. hmmm, what would I do...
I would put a hex on Al From and the Democratic Party establishment.

I would also vote for a strong third-party Independent candidate, having joined a mass movement to surge the popular vote on that candidate's behalf - - split the popular vote three ways so that neither Bush nor Lieberman, if elected, would have any credibility whatsoever.
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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:32 AM
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28. That didn't work before, Bush lost and he didn't care
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:55 AM
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27. Vote for Lieberman
The onlt candidate too conservative for me is Dean.
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VoteClark Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:34 AM
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29. That is what I think too. And Bush.
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:38 AM
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30. Vote for Joe
But I'd seriously reconsider by commitment to the Dem Party.

I've never been fond of Joe, but the last week or so has really upset me. At least the other candidates have some reservations about the validity of the Iraq war. Lieberman's stance is not too much unlike Bush's on Iraq.

There's enough issues that make me think Lieberman would be superior to Bush. So, in a true case of voting for the lesser of two evils, I'd cast for Joe.
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peaceandjustice Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 01:19 PM
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31. campaign, donate, and vote Green(hopefully Cohen or Vonnegut)
The only silver lining to a Lieberman/Bush match-up is it gives the Green Party a shot at hitting 5% or better on election day. If the Democrats continue to nominate moderate Republicans like the National Review-endorsed Lieberman it will wither and die, as it should.

Does anyone seriously believe anything would be different if Al Gore had been elected? Gore stood idly by while Clinton bombed a pharm. plant in Sudan damning hundreds of thousands of children to death by malaria. That doesn't indicate he'd have any problem going to war with Afghanistan and Iraq to appear proactive. So maybe he wouldn't line corporate pockets with tax cuts, his "liveability agenda" would've lined them with frivolous government contracts. Gore had no problem with the Defense of Marriage Act so I can't see him opposing codifying the Catholic/Baptist homophobic definition of marriage.

Hopefully in this scenario the Greens are able to coax Ben Cohen, Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. or any other progressive with name recognition to run so it doesn't end up being about "Nader's ego"...I don't think Nader runs because he's egotistical but even if he does, so what? Anyone who writes legislation like the Freedom of Information Act deserves to have hubris.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 01:23 PM
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32. I vote for the moderate Democrat over the right-wing Republican
Just like I did in 2000.

Frankly, the answer should be obvious to anyone who considers themselves a Democrat. The fact that so many DU'ers have a problem seeing the obvious speaks volumes.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:29 PM
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33. 3rd party
.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:32 PM
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34. Lieberman in a heartbeat
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:35 PM
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35. I write in Dennis Kucinich, and hope everyone else has the sense
to do so too.

It would be a forlorn hope, of course, because if too few have enough sense not to nominate Lieberman, then they certainly won't be able to figure out anything more complicated.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:44 PM
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36. vote Leiberman
in that case.
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crissy71 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:45 PM
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37. hold my breath, nose.. bury my conscience
And vote for Joe - I liked him during the 2000 campaign (except of course, Florida recount)

The situation we're in is too dire
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 04:46 PM
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38. Vote for Lieberman. The worst Dem is better than a drone like Bush.
...at least Lieberman isn't the puppet of old money and oil...
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nocreativename Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 05:07 PM
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41. vote green move to mexico
or canada or france or england or anywhere but here
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:24 AM
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43. Duh - Lieberman
I'm challenged by Lieberman, but not enough to consider voting for bush.

and here's a concept:

WE'VE GOT 14 MONTHS UNTIL WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS UTTERLY DUMB QUESTION!!!! HOW ABOUT WE ALL VOLUNTEER FOR CANDIDATES WE'D BE PROUD TO SUPPORT IN 2004 AND WORK OUR TAILBONES OFF TO SUPPORT THEM. MAYBE IF WE WORK AS HARD SUPPORTING OUR CANDIDATES AS WE DO ASKING RHETORICAL QUESTIONS LIKE 'BUSH VS. LIEBERMAN' WE COULD GET A REALLY AWESOME CANDIDATE ON THE NOVEMBER 2004 TICKET



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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:06 AM
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44. Lieberman
Without a doubt.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:31 AM
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46. Lieberman or Bush?
That's like asking, "How would you rather die, bullet in the head or slow suffocation?" Neither, thanks.

Glad to hear I'm not alone when I say that if this party nominated Lieberman, I'd be finally and truly convinced that it's a lost cause. Happily, I doubt it will happen.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:42 AM
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47. At least Lieberman is pro-environment
I'd vote for Lieberman before I'd vote for Dean.
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:07 PM
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48. Puke
And then vote Green, or some other left-of-center third party.

I will never EVER vote for Lieberman. The only good thing to come out of the 2000 election was that that DINO is not a heartbeat away from being President and the head of the Democratic Party.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:08 PM
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49. Lieberman, but only just barely
But I don't think we'll be seeing him on the ballot, so this question is moot. Gut instinct tells me that Dean will take the Dem nod. (Though in my dreams it would go to Dennis K.)
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:09 PM
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50. Lieberman Vs Bush would be like the last election in Iraq
No matter who you vote for, PNAC wins.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:17 PM
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51. Probably vote for Lieberman,
and then kill myself. I figure I can at least save those who haven't given up from more of monkey-boy before I die.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 03:21 PM
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53. Lieberman
He's a educated, civilized, decent human being, which makes him a hundred times preferable to Bush, who is none of these things.
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