ARNOLD: official thread to strategize on diffusing this takeover!

[DagmarK]

Okay -- I have HAD it with the Shock and Awe campaign by the repukes (aided by constant live and free of charge campaigning on the part of the media).

This numbskull has the gov's election wrapped up today. He announced his candidacy about 3 days ago?

This is unacceptable.

I saw a thread from Le Taz Hot about the DNC's PLAN to beat Arnold. It's so lame it would make even a republican weep. (register voters at high schools??????? WHAAAAAAAA??)

Okay, the DNC and the DLC obviously aren't going to implement an effective plan. Can we all agree about that?

So, what's the NEXT TIER of the dem hierarchy? THE STATE dem parties (and dem governors).

We need to launch a nationwide campaign AGAINST Arnie and FOR a No-Bustamante. And the national dem structure isn't going to do anything about it.

Where are the millions of dollars from the party to plaster the airwaves with ads?

Where is the argument that the calif enonomy was trashed by Enron/Cheney?

and where is the outrage that the media is outright campaigning FOR a candidate? They need to run OUR ads for free to comply with media election rules on equal time.

So, guys...... WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS. If Arnold S. and the repukes can TAKE the liberal precendence-setting state of California by STORM in a few days...........WHAT DO WE EXPECT FORM BUSH/CHENEY in 2004?

This is a battle that will determine EXACTLY how the big battle of 2004 plays out. Are we going to just fold our cards or are we going to fight smarter and better and set a precedence for beating these evil radical right neo-con facists?

***Oh, and just a little note for Maria -- SCREW YOU for bringing this beast into the public limelight! I curse you and your progeny! UGH!!!! (sorry.....I am really pissed!)

[liberalnurse]

1. Yea, I'm pissed at Maria too.

When you think of her family history, she is doing what all good Kennedy women do.....stand by your man.....

I'm sensing it is not going over well at the Kennedy Compound.

[DagmarK]

5. I hope she is totally ostracized from the family......

I am sure they can tolerate infidelity, murder, rape, alcoholism, divorce (man, we know a lot about them)

But surely there is ONE STANDARD they can stand together on: And ARNIE foiling democracy has got to be it!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

14. I few words come to mind...

Turncoat and Bitch are TWO of them

[dfong63]

2. get the word out on arnie's groping of non-consenting women

... and, play the prop 187 card.

challenge him to a debate. call him a musclebound coward if he refuses.

demand specifics on what he's going to do to solve CA's problems if elected.

[DagmarK]

3. A debate...........good idea

and QUICK before he learns his "lines".........

[mndemocrat_29]

18. A debate would be fantastic

But who will be invited? Only people polling over 10 percent?

[George_Bonanza]

4. I like Schwarzeneggar, but...

He doesn't have any kind of plan for the California crisis. He is all glitz and glamour.

I think Arnold would make a decent governor, b/c non-politicians have a tendency to be more popular, like Ventura or Reagan. I don't think he'll go wacko Republican b/c of his ties with the Kennedy family. But not at this time. Not at this time.

[DagmarK]

6. Whaaaaaatttttttt???????????

Can you say all that out loud and in front of a mirror? See how it sounds.....

Sorry but man.......WTF?

(but I love your sig line!)

[ronatchig]

7. I have a ?

What would be the outcome if Davis were to resign as gov. of the the state ? Would the Lt. Gov. be promoted to gov? Would this nullify the recall and keep the government of California safely in Democratic hands? If so then maybe it is time for Davis to take the big one for the people of California.

[jos]

11. No

Bustamante would become Governor, but he still would have to run in the recall election. I don't know whether becoming Governor would help or hurt Bustamante in the election.

[Capn Sunshine]

9. double WHAAAAA?

I suppose you bought *'s line that he was a uniter , not a divider , and stood by in shock when he made that screaming right turn the first day he was in office.

Make no mistake about it my friend, the lurking neocon machine will grab Ahhnold by his steroid shrunken testicles and dictate chapter and verse to him. They have waited for this day for 50 years, and no neophyte liberal is going to stand in their way. I guess you're among the many dems who expect the neocons to pay fair in the first place, and keep getting your asses handed to you.
:nuke:

[George_Bonanza]

22. Quite a shock, eh?

Hehe. I always liked Arnie the man. I love his on-screen persona, action AND comedy (I think a lot better of Jingle All the Way than most people), and I think he's a nice guy for doing all that for the special Olympics. I'd hate to think that he could be morphed into an Ashcroft or Wolfowitz.

But you're probably right. Loving somebody's screen persona and their political careers are two separate things.

[Capn Sunshine]

8. You'll be reassured to hear

The Unions are running with this ball. We had six conference calls in the past two days, and in SoCal have organized 6 day a week phone banks to GOTV. The theory behind absentees is this:
The recall, being a "special elcetion, onuses 60% of the normal polling places to cut down on expense. This means GUESS WHICH POLLS AND IN WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS THEY WONT HAVE POLLS?

So absentee is better at getting the committed voters into things. There are studies that show 85% return rate on absentee voters.

Now, if you want to help: go to your local union hall and volunteer to do phones. Help with flyer and leafletting.

And remind all voters in this thing of this fact :
IF THE RECALL PASSES, OUR BOND RATING IS PERMANENTLY RUINED.

THIS is the crux of the issue; we will, due to perceptions of instability, be forced to pay anywhere from 2 to 10% higher interest on our state financing.

This is less about Gray Davis and more about the power grab.
Email me at [e-mail] if you wish to join an email campaign.

[morningglory]

13. Please: exit polls!

When we used to have fairly honest elections -- before black box voting -- we had accurate exit polls. The last two elections, we were told exit polling "computers" were "out-of-order". If we do exit polls in the future and the counted votes do not tally, I will drag my big fat elderly Hee-Haw ass out in the streets and die there if I have to.

[DagmarK]

15. That is ASTOUNDING re the bond rating...........

OMG!

Lord, have mercy!

[LWolf]

25. What is GOTV?

n/t

[RevolutionStartsNow]

27. Get Out The Vote! (n/t)

[eminca]

10. uhg

i read somewhere, this adorable saying that i now wear all over my internet surfing: California, the new florida.

Anyhoot, would someone please help me out on finding some links and information on the past few days in this recall news. First off, i need something that shows Arnold as being second in this election up until today. maybe it was changed yesterday, but i know that when i first immerged from my surgery last week, there was news of someone else, i believe Cruz, being first, and Ahhnold being second.

The other things i am looking for are little tidbits i have heard from politicians on the news regarding Arnold being interrogated about the budget and family Leave Act, and not knowing more than his lines on either. being very stummped.

It seems in my attempts to find these, faux news and other wonderful organizations have decided to focus more ont he fact that he running and they like it, than on the important aspects of the politics involved. I seemt o be short on resources, as this is my main place to lurk and find out information. seems most other places have immature opinions or fauz news influences.

can someone help me out? i need to stomp some Ahhnold lovers in a debate im having!

[jos]

12. Patience, hope and GOTV

Right now, the best thing to do is be patient and wait till the Arnoldmania calms down, which I believe it will. Then hope that the people will see through his hype, and the whole recall fraud, and if not voting to retain Davis, at least vote for Bustamante. Then concentrate on GOTV. Bustamante should have a lot of advantages in this election. He is the only big name Democrat in a Democratic-leaning state. Meanwhile, there are four name Republicans, including Uberroth.

[KamaAina]

21. Note that Ueberroth is indeed running as a Repuke

despite every single news* story saying "he's a Republican running as an independent":

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/candidate_status_report_detail.pdf

correct as of 8/11, 4 PM or so PDT

Also worthy of note is that Garamendi hadn't paid his filing fee as of today (or hadn't had it officially received): his candidacy is listed as Pending. Let's see if he can keep it that way!

[genius]

16. The Democrats have been caught off guard by this whole thing

Incidentally, the recall is the fault of the Democratic Party. It allowed itself to become so unpopular in California that there was a record low turnout. The number of signatures needed is based on the number of people who voted. If the Democrats had done more work reaching out to people, more people might have voted. I keep trying to bring people into the Democratic Party but the official Democratic click members keep snubbing any new people and the people I bring walk away hating the party. At local CCs and clubs, too many Democrats act just like they claim the Republicans act in Congress. The average citizen doesn't visit Congress. They visit their local CC or club. We need to encourage these groups to start reaching out to people rather than snubbing them and showing them how elitist Democrats can be.

[RTC]

23. ...Except they collected double the number of signatures

needed to put the recall to a vote. I don't think voter turnout would have made any difference.

[genius]

24. Most signatures were gained by false pretences. There are witnesses

Unfortunately the courts don't want to do their job these days.

[Cronus Protagonist]

17. Split the GOP vote

It needs to be fractionalized. And Bill Simon already has his supporters like Lou Sheldon and others working for him, so it shouldn't be too hard. http://billsimon.org/ is back up, I noticed....


Fuck Bush Buttons — The Cronus Connection

[mndemocrat_29]

19. Where do we donate to Cruz?

And I'm pissed off at Maria too. I can't believe she's letting him do this.

[w4rma]

20. Running a negative campaign on Arnold's inexperience, will not work

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=163130

It never has worked. I cannot think of a single campaign, ever, where this tactic was successful. Reagan was attacked for being inexperienced. Bush* was attacked for being inexperienced.

I think when folks hear that someone is an inexperienced politician, they are thinking: Great, someone who might tell it to us straight!

My suggestion on how to deal with this recall election would be to get Bustamante and Davis out there for some positive campaigning. Reintroduce them to the voters. Treat them like they are unknowns, because to many voters they are unknown.

And celebreties. It's going to take celebreties to take on a celebrety. Bustamante needs celebrety support. If he can't get celebrety support in California, we might as well write off this election, all together.

And to attack Arnold, leak information about his womanizing past, any underhanded buisness dealings that he might have committed and any known positions on buisness that would add to corrpution.

Why does Arnold refuse to answer questions. What ideas of his is he afraid to tell the people of California? Why is he afraid to tell them? Is it because they are radical and extreme?

Target the the religious right and the religious left for information about his *many* personal problems. Tie his personal problems to Bush and the Republican Party so that folks will question the ethics of Bush and the Republican Party by association. Ask Republicans why they would support Arnold after the way they trashed Clinton for doing MUCH MUCH less. (Note to Clinton supporters: this could *help* Clinton's reputation if done well.)

The religious right will attack Arnold on his social liberalism, and since we are trying to promote social liberalism, we should ignore them. We can't do anything to stop them anyways.

Use synergy in attacking. Tie everything together. If everything is tied together, this also serves to make it easier for folks to remember these facts and questions.


What was the purpose and substance of the May 11, 2001 meeting with then-Mayor Richard Riordan, former junk bond king Michael Milken, and Arnold Schwarzenegger? Lawmakers should obtain the materials Ken Lay provided at that meeting.
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/pr/pr002239.php3

Arnold the Barbarian
http://www.health-and-medical.com/health/man_health_magazine/man_health_magazine_msg42682/man_health_magazine_msg42682.shtml
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=15052&mesg_id=15052

Foes pump up for fight vs. Arnold
http://nydailynews.com/front/story/107477p-97142c.html

Need DU help digging dirt on Arnold Shwarzenegger
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=148503&mesg_id=148503

[genius]

30. It works for the Republicans

We always play nicey-nice with the Republicans. The Democrats are much better at attacking each other than at going after Republicans. There is a reason his uncle-in-law is not supporting him.

[LWolf]

26. Arnold, Enron, & Ken Lay?

http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=343

<Really Big Snip>

The recent deregulation of energy services in the U.S. became a major demonstration case of Enron's political clout, as well as perhaps a major clue as to how the new GATS rule making could play out on the international scene. Known as the 'Enron Bill' in D.C. circles, Sen. Tom Delay's legislative package called for a national deregulation of energy, particularly electricity. To strengthen their position, a series of moves were made in regards to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. First, CEO Ken Lay and other Enron officials interviewed prospective candidates to fill vacancies on the Commission and President Bush chose two people recommended by Enron. Then, the New York Times revealed on May 26, 2001 that Lay himself wrote to the Commission Chair, Curtis Hebert, saying that if Mr. Hebert changed his views on electricity deregulation, Enron would continue to support him in his new job. Hebert was reportedly offended by Enron's move, refused the offer and feared for his job. Again, on May 26th, Ken Lay met with actor Arnold Schwartzenegger, LA Mayor Richard Riordan, and former junk bond dealer and fraud convict, Michael Milken, to drum up support for Enron's deregulation solution to what then appeared to be America's looming energy crisis.

[PATRICK]

28. How about a nagging

poll that comes at the issue a different way, such as: "Come on, California, out of all your directors and actors which would you REALLY like to be governor?" You could even dig into dead legends since it is not serious. That straw poll would deflate and put into perspective the issue while lumping Arnold with all the show biz people.

Also Arnold is a Bush puppet Republican, NOT an independent. Need to wise up the starry eyed democrats and independents who so far have not noticed that little fact. You can still like his movies and vote against
him. Also a little fear about more money and chaos troubles should be easy to spread.

The best strategies of course were for Davis and the Dems to perform better and attack Lay and the WH voraciously. I still rmember the Javitts/RFK campaign in New York, Bobby young and athletic, jogging along the beach, old Javitts SPRINTING up the Capitol steps in a blatant photo op. Hilarious. I hope our politicians have learned from the pasta about what NOT to do, but don't give Arnold a free ride. That's DLC ducking.

Has there ever been a Latino governor since the days of old California? And how about some breakthrough legislation the GOP cannot do anything but obstruct?

[poskonig]

29. Work the media well.

Enron Arnold and his posse of Wilson thugs need to be exposed.

Secondly, we need to get Bustamante's name recognition up. Do events, have prez candidates support him, et cetera. A lot of Davis diehards are trying to beat this thing, but we really need to have a contingency plan.