Kerry Gores Dean and loses me.

[virtualobserver]

Kerry lost my support on this one. Any Democrat willing to play into the "invented the internet" nonsense stirred up by the Republicans is part of the problem, not the solution

I'm a Dean supporter, but I'm now also an active anti-Kerry force.

BTW Mr. Kerry, the guy that "didn't do so well" won the popular vote...you should hope to do so well.




http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/21999146.html

snip-

During a campaign stop in Des Moines Monday, Kerry was asked whether the Internet petition drive he was announcing in protest of President Bush's proposed overtime pay standards was in response to a similar effort Dean had launched a week earlier.

Dean staffers had stirred up the questions in advance of Kerry's event with union members at a Des Moines AFSCME office.

"The Dean campaign is saying you're kind of stealing their thunder on this on-line petition," Dave Price, a reporter for Des Moines-based WHO-TV 13, to which Kerry responded with a smirk: "Well, the last person I heard who claimed he had invented the Internet didn't do so well."

The response earned restrained yucks from the gaggle of reporters. But Dean's staff hadn't said they invented on-line petition drives, and Kerry didn't refute that Dean's drive started first.

[ScotTissue]

1. I thought it was a good line.

Sue me. :)

[kwolf68]

2. Good lord

Back to this? Kerry is an evil beast...

[virtualobserver]

10. if he repeats republican nonsense...

then yes.

[TioDiego]

3. That has been a pet peeve for a long time.

Dang it. Gore never said he invented the internet. He said he created an initiative for its development. He was responsible for federal funding of essential routers, and the people who did invent the internet gave him high marks of praise for doing so. I am pissed an Kerry too. We don't need polarization, we need unification. Get your facts straight, Kerry. Dang it.:spank:

[nannygoat]

12. Here's the great Daily Howler series

that debunks most of the lies the whore media told about Gore during the campaign:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh122002.shtml

[bushisanidiot]

4. Sounds Like the Reporter Was Baiting Kerry to Take A Swipe

at Dean. I can't see Kerry dissing Al Gore and Dean in one statement, but if it did truly happen, then that's bad taste on Kerry's part. Al DID do well, he never said he "invented" the internet, and Dean never claimed to have invented online petitions. Sorry, I think some repuke reporter is putting words in Kerry's mouth to try to stir things up.

[Cocoa]

8. yes, baiting, exactly

Kerry shouldn't have played along, but I've seen him decline invitations to swipe at Dean, it must be difficult for either of them to resist it all the time. They are running against each other, after all, and they're both competitive people.

[tjdee]

5. Kerry shouldn't try to get "smirky". And leave Al alone!

Awhile ago he said something else that was kind of...oh yeah, the thing about Sammy Sosa. Kind of weirdly trying to be catchy.

Al Gore didn't do so well, John? Really?

That irritates me slightly.

[Cocoa]

6. pretty dumb response, but...

the republicans, and the press are both trying to get Kerry and Dean at each others throats, and I think both Kerry and Dean have lately been trying to resist playing along.

I saw Kerry being badgered by reporters in NH, repeatedly asking him why won't he say Dean's name. I thought it was totally stupid. I would rather hear Kerry talk about health care or Iraq than engage in some stupid feud.

The "Kerry copied Dean" thing has been showing up a lot, and I don't think it's coming from the Dean camp. At least I hope it's not, because I think it's really stupid. I'm assuming it's the same republicans and reporters that are just trying to make things "interesting."

[virtualobserver]

11. it sounded like a "canned" line.......

which makes it even more negative.

[Cocoa]

16. I emailed Kerry's campaign about this

Said how disappointed I was.

Maybe that would be more constructive than making it worse by spreading the story around and getting the Dean people all worked up.

[e-mail]

[virtualobserver]

22. I understand what you are saying.......

but Kerry showed me something fundamental about his character today.

I'm not a Flame Kerry person.
If Kerry wins the nomination, I'll vote for him. But I am no longer excited about the prospect.

[Khephra]

7. Kerry pissed me off yesterday too

He stole Dean's bit about "You can either have tax cuts or health care." and used it during the forum.

[killbotfactory]

14. Kerry said that?

Didn't he just go off the other day about how politically unwise and how horrible a policy it is to repeal all the Bush tax cuts?

[Khephra]

20. I can't remember what Kerry said before

But anyone who has been watching Dean for a long time will verify that line is originally Dean's.

I think it's actually funny, because in a sense Kerry validates Dean as having a superior postion by stealing the line.

[DrFunkenstein]

89. Dean's Foreign Policy Borrows Liberally From Kerry's A Month Before

Even down to the phrases.

[gottaB]

116. Smells like team spirit

I heard Gephardt use it first. He's still using it to great effect. All the Dems should be using it. They should all be "slapping the donkey" every chance they get.

Can you imagine Al Gore saying "I'm gonna slap that donkey all the way to the White House"? I can.

[Cha]

9. I can fully relate to what you are saying! Why perpetuate

a lie that the rite wing stuck on Al Gore in the 2000 selection?

Oh, but we're suppose to "get over that"!


Al Gore was my choice until he said he wasn't running...I stick up for Gore! Not make some lame joke at his expense especially when it is so freakin' Deadly! :grr:

[poskonig]

13. Who cares? "Get over it!"

:evilgrin:

[Demobrat]

15. So I guess this means Kerry's not counting on Al's support.

I wonder who Gore will decide to endorse? I thought it would be Kerry, but not anymore. Hmmm...

[Cocoa]

17. I seriously doubt this would be a factor for Gore

this is a very minor thing, really. For the vast majority of people, the Gore/internet thing is just funny, and that's why Kerry said it.

Yes, it also was part of a campaign to make Bush look like a liar, but sometimes it was just a joke. Here, Kerry's just getting a laugh.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. Yeah it's called 'a sense of humor' folks lol

[molly]

84. Come on - get real! Al is probably laughing his ass off

about all this bullshit - he's a Kerry fan from way back and the Deanies know it.

[w13rd0]

19. More baiting from the press...

...and the Kerry campaign (hello Jordan) was stupid to take the bait. I don't think this is a reason for Kerry supporters to drop support for him though. I also don't think Kerry is "stealing thunder", he did post the petition first (and the Dean Team posted a similiar petition only minutes later). Yet another non-issue to try and red meat bait the candidates against one another. We don't need this kind of crap. When was the last time Bush tried getting the people involved in voicing their opinions? Besides the CA Recall anyway, which doesn't frickin count...

[Vap Noose]

107. revisionist

"he did post the petition first (and the Dean Team posted a similiar petition only minutes later)."

Actually, it was the other way around. Dean had their petition up and running, while Kerry was busy pumping out PR's, and then Kerry's team put theirs up afterwards.

[VermontDem2004]

21. Gore was taking about what he did in Congress

he got a bill through in which that created the internet. So he really did "take the initiative in creating the internet". If you look at the history of the internet, Al gore is mentioned, plus he has been involved since it's early exsistence. I think Kerry was just trying to tell a joke but IMHO, it wasn't a very good one.

[jos]

23. Kerry seems to have a "tin ear"

And that's what concerns me about him being the nominee. It's not his voting record, Iraq nothwithstanding. It's the feeling I get that he doesn't haven't the focus or the gut instinct to run a decent general election campaign.

[DrFunkenstein]

88. Kerry Has Experience As A Brawler In National-Level Campaigns

This is from Joe Klein's New Yorker profile on Kerry. Joe Klein did a similar piece for Clinton in '92 that made him a legitimate contender. He is also the anonymous author of Primary Colors.

http://www.johnkerry.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6197&JServSessionIdr009=zfq8zec6x0.app8a&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=-1

The 1996 Senate campaign between John Kerry and William Weld was the rarest of events in latter-day American politics: a civil, closely contested, intelligent, and wildly entertaining brawl. "Both candidates were incredibly popular," the Kerry consultant John Marttila said. "Both had sixty-per-cent favorable ratings, and negatives in the twenties. And they maintained their popularity throughout the race."

Both were Brahmins, but Weld, with a shock of strawberry hair and irony to burn, seemed an honorary Hibernian-once again, Kerry was faced with an opponent bound to be favored by the reportorial romantics at the Boston Globe. "We were both comers," recalls Weld, who had just been reelected governor, with seventy-one per cent of the vote. "We were both at the height of our powers. If I'd won that race, I was going to turn straight around and run for President in 2000. I think he was, too-although I guess he eventually decided that Gore had too big a head start."

The campaign began with a remarkable agreement to limit campaign spending, negotiated face to face by the two candidates in Kerry's Beacon Hill mansion. They also agreed to a series of eight debates, some of which would be Lincoln-Douglas style, with the two candidates questioning each other directly, without a mediator. Weld figured that his issues-crime, welfare reform, and tax cutting-and his charm would see him through, but mostly his charm. "John isn't really a cold person, but he does seem aloof," Weld said recently. "The truth is that he's courtly to the point of gentility. We were pummelling him through August, but his campaign turned on a dime when Bob Shrum was hired as his consultant. It went from flaccid to sharp in a week."

Kerry's aides insist that it was more than Shrum. They say that Kerry was distracted in Washington, that he didn't really focus on the campaign until the Senate recessed. "It wasn't a lack of focus," Kerry says. "It was a strategy. I figured people wouldn't really be paying attention until the fall debates."

The last four debates were fabulous political theatre-two very smart men having at each other. "John's at his best under pressure, when he's being seriously challenged," Paul Nace, an old Navy friend, says. "He gets really cool, very calm. He really is a warrior-he just loves it. I took one look at him as he was walking into Faneuil Hall for one of the last debates and I thought, Bill Weld has no idea what's about to hit him."

Weld-who calls the debates a "bloody draw"-says that Kerry successfully attached him to the national Republican Party. (Weld had said some embarrassingly positive things about Newt Gingrich two years earlier.) "The turning point came when he asked me if I'd vote to keep Jesse Helms as the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. That was a killer."

I asked Weld how he responded. "I ducked it, of course," he said, with a smile. "I mean, I hated Jesse Helms. But what could I do?"

Kerry won the election by eight percentage points. "John has always been underestimated politically," Marttila says. "But that race had the quality and intensity of a Presidential campaign, and he won. I don't see how they can underestimate him anymore, but they probably will."

----

A follow up on Weld-Kerry from the Windsurfer interview:

During his celebrated acceptance speech and shortly after the bitter battle that saw Weld's team attack very personally, John Kerry rose above the storm and invited Bill Weld to join him at a local pub so that they could put the past behind them by having a beer of civility.

Six months later, Weld made a bid for the ambassadorship to Mexico-a move that unfortunately brought his political career to a screeching halt. Firmly planted in his way was an intransigent and powerful Jesse Helms, who refused to open the door for a simple hearing. Seeing the injustice, Kerry could have easily stayed in the background. Instead he stood up against the potent Helms and wholeheartedly came to the aid of Weld- his 12 million dollar foe.

[DrFunkenstein]

24. Dean Supporters Prove They Are Snarky, Humorless and Hypocritical

"Restrained yucks from the gaggle of reporters." Please.

This knucklehead takes Kerry's joke literally, and then still wants to claim that Kerry was copying Dean.

And for the poster who recently joined the legions of the "active anti-Kerry forces," you stretch the joke beyond the literal to even claim that Kerry is suggesting Gore lost. Humorless and wrong. Not bad at all.

Somehow I get the feeling you were looking for a reason to join the anti-Kerry strike force. But at least now you can point to the moment when Kerry offended even your impressively thick skin.

<>

Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins
He's eatin' bullshit!

[VermontDem2004]

25. That food looks good

Dean looks like a really good cook.

[DrFunkenstein]

27. Yummy! Faux Populism!

You can almost taste the photo op!

[VermontDem2004]

28. A man can't cook anymore

without being accused of a photo op. How do you like this photo-op?

[DrFunkenstein]

30. An Example of What A Shining Athlete And Hero Kerry Is

<>

I'm sure he beat this guy. Kerry is like Rambo, except without all the muscles and stuff. But he has a better helmet!

[Egnever]

58. Rofl your duplicity is amazing!

This from the guy who constantly posts photo ops of kerry's. You trying to say the motorcycle ride wasnt a photo op or that the whole philly cheese steak fiasco wasnt supposed to be a photo op?

Get a grip photo ops are part of the proccess!

[DrFunkenstein]

67. Thank You For Illustrating My Point

I think the picture of Dean is a good one, and keep in mind that I just created a thread with a fantastic picture of Dean playing the guitar. I'm sorry if irony is out of your range. Let me be clear: I WAS F'N KIDDING! DIDN'T THE "KERRY LOOKS LIKE A GREAT ATHLETE" COMMENT TIP YOU OFF!?!

In case you didn't realize, the Dylan lyrics are a reference to the TWO threads (at least, probably more in General Discussion and DU Lounge) started by Dean fans about the Cheesesteak Incident of 2003.

PS - You mean "hypocrisy." Duplicity means deceptive double-dealing.

Snarky,
humorless,
and hypocritical.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

26. So now if

So now if Kerry has a bbq, will he be accused of copying Dean? lol

[DrFunkenstein]

29. Or one of his kids gets arrested?

Ouch! That was low even by my dismal standards.

<>

Ah, we all get into scrapes with The Man.

<>

Now if Dean joined an anti-war movement, now that would be copying. Or at least beats, my staffer beat your staffer to the internet.

[molly]

31. Did you see how SMALL the article was?

not only do Dean supporters post articles from the Dean website - they spend half the day doing searches on obscure articles so they can belittle Kerry. :mad:

IT WAS A F'N JOKE FOR CRISSAKES!

[virtualobserver]

53. IT WAS A F'N JOKE about Gore being a ridiculous liar.....

hilarious, I'm sure they laughed at the White House.

[Cha]

56. kerry supporter proves once again that he is...

"Snarky, Humorless and Hypocritical"

[mojogeorgo]

96. Dean Banner

I also lost respect for Kerry rehashing the "I invented the internet" BS about Al Gore. It makes me angry that the Rep's weren't called out for that. We don't need other Dem's opening that bag of manure to try to smear Dean.

And, zidzi - I noticed that you linked to that Dean banner directly from the maker's site. FYI (And, I didn't know this for a long time) you should download it and upload it to your own space so you don't run up the site owner's bandwidth/server resource usage. This is considered bad netiquette.

[Uzybone]

32. Still supporting Kerry

but it was a bullshit statement. But doing the work of the GOP (playing dem candidates against each other) isnt what liberals should be doing right now. Keep your eyes on the prize.

[molly]

33. Did you EVER support Kerry?

why did Governor Dean seal his records for 10 years? Does he have something to hide perhaps?

[SweetZombieJesus]

50. Maybe so Rove can't get a hold of them, you feeb

Did you ever think of that, molly? Maybe he wants to protect himself from a Rove smear campaign.

Of course, I'm sure you're just salivating over the content of said file, so you can find more bullshit to fling at Dean.

[molly]

54. Hey honey, you started this! I'm just getting started!

[virtualobserver]

55. I think that you are right Molly....

he should unseal the records

[AlinPA]

34. This is bad.

Sounds like something Bush would say.

[AlinPA]

35. I am undecided on Dean,Kerry,Gephardt, Edwards

Does that remark really hurt Dean? I doubt it.

[Cha]

57. NO ...it hurts kerry.

[sandnsea]

36. Why DO Deaniacs think they own blogging and online fundraising?

Dean didn't invent it. Why should they be whining about something like this in the first place?

I don't think what he said was a snipe at Gore, it was a snipe at Dean because of his whining little groupies.

[VermontDem2004]

37. Now Dean supporter

thinks they own blogging and online fundraising, Dean is the one that is championing it. It one way it was a snip at Gore because he said "invented the internet". Well When Gore said 'When I was in Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet'. Gore was talking about what he did when he was a congressman. If you look at any history of the internet book or whatever, Al Gore is mentioned several times. He has been involved with the internet since it's early existence. Now I think John Kerry was just trying to be funny. But I don't appreciate how you label us "Deaniacs" "Groupies" etc for supporting Howard Dean. I would expect labeling like that from Freepers, I don't call Kerry supporters Groupies etc.

[molly]

38. Yes - but - you start utterly stupid threads attacking our

candidate at least 3 times a day. You have started the "negative" campaigning that I thought we (DEMS - that is) were all against.

You post ads from Dean's blog - I think the bork idea is to keep Dean's names constantly in view and spew garbage about Kerry whenever you can find one itty-bitty piece of info.

The gloves are off....

[Egnever]

61. Pot kettle

way to call it!

[SweetZombieJesus]

51. Gee, with diplomacy like that, I can't imagine why Kerry's campaign

is lagging behind Deans. "Whining little groupies" indeed.

[dsc]

39. How dumb could he have been?

He has the worst problem with the press making up stuff of possible any of our candidates. So what does he do? Makes a joke which assumes a press lie about Gore is true. What in heaven's name was he thinking? Not only did he insult Gore but he chose the press over him. This was just foolish with a capital F.

[molly]

40. The press knew he was joking - the Deanies are the ones

with the problem

"Dean staffers had stirred up the questions in advance of Kerry's event with union members at a Des Moines AFSCME office.

The Dean campaign is saying you're kind of stealing their thunder on this on-line petition," Dave Price, a reporter for Des Moines-based WHO-TV 13, to which Kerry responded with a smirk: "Well, the last person I heard who claimed he had invented the Internet didn't do so well."

The response earned restrained yucks from the gaggle of reporters. (hint-hint - they knew it was a joke) But Dean's staff hadn't said they invented on-line petition drives, and Kerry didn't refute that Dean's started at the same time."

[w4rma]

42. Just admit it was dumb, and (as Kerry put it) "move on".

Kerry can't be defended for this faux pas. If he had bothered to do some research by talking to and listening to many Democratic Gore supporters he wouldn't have made this mistake.

Many folks on the right-wing find this funny, but many folks in the Democratc base find this sort of statement insulting.

Remember, Kerry, recently, also told folks who are still angry about the 200 coup to "move on" and "quit crying in your teacups".

[molly]

43. Isn't that what Gore said - move on

who do you think Gore will support, BTW?

on edit - you do know that Kerry supported Gore - right?

[w4rma]

45. Kerry said this about a month ago. Yes, Kerry supported Gore in 2K. (n/t)

[Cha]

59. I hope to shit he "supported" Gore!

[molly]

64. He supported Gore in the primaries - silly!

[dsc]

46. why do you think they chose such

trivial joking items to bust Gore with in 2000? Could it be because if you laugh at someone you no longer take them seriously or consider them of intergrity? If you don't believe me about Kerry's press problem and the type of crap they have written about him go to www.dailyhowler.com and start searching. The only reason the joke was 'funny' was that it was another example of Gore the liar. The very last thing on earth any Democratic candidate should be doing is acting as if they buy into this crap.

[virtualobserver]

49. exactly

When you think about it, Republicans have turned every Democratic nominee since 1972 into some kind of a joke.

Karl Rove just smiles contentedly whenever he sees a Democrat echoing his manipulations.

[Cha]

60. Exactly!

[disgruntella]

41. what an incredible NON-ISSUE

I have seen plenty of lame criticism regarding Kerry, but this is over the top.

I am not anti-Dean, but the fact that his campaign uses the Internet effectively has been blown way out of proportion IMO. So now if Kerry does the same thing, he's accused of "COPYING DEAN", and if he doesn't, he's "WAY BEHIND THE DEAN MACHINE." Whatever.

[Cha]

62. If President Gore meant anything to ya...you wouldn't think this

was a "non-issue".

It happens to be very much an issue to me that the press made Gore, falsely, out to be a liar and fuckin' bush was the one with fuckin' "family values".

[George_Bonanza]

44. This is pointless

From reading the article, it seems like Kerry was just making a light-hearted joke, probably embattered from all the egging reporters give him, to attack Dean. Take it out of context and it looks like some mean cut, which it wasn't. This article is confusing too. First, it says the comedic timing was admirable. Then it says the audience responded with restrained yucks. And what does it mean when it says that Dean staffers had stirred up the questions before-hand? Does that mean they were baiting Kerry?

[virtualobserver]

52. a light hearted joke....

that confirms the lie told about Gore.....

This isn't about Dean, this is about repeating garbage created by republicans.

The success they have had in ridiculing Democrats is no laughing matter to me.

[George_Bonanza]

68. If one incident is enough to ruin one's character, then Dean would be out

Remember his shenanigans against Edwards, Kerry, and Graham? And basically every other Democratic candidate? It helped him catapult to the top, and now we should just forget about it, while his supporters lambast Kerry for some small incident with a light hearted joke that touched a raw wound? It's pretty hypocritical for Dean supporters to point fingers at Kerry because it was Dean's attacks on his mates that got him to the top right now. I guess the short term memory works wonders for the Dean campaign: Not only did he whisk away the anti-Bush liberal sash only 7 months ago (as opposed to Kerry who was admirably liberal for 30 years and was anti-Bush since 2000) because people don't bother to do historical research, but his supporters also forget his deeds from just a few months ago.

I don't want to turn into a fanatic, and I will admit that I would've preferred if this incident did not happen. But Dean supporters, accusing Kerry of being divisive when Dean started the whole thing months ago? Hypocritical.

[virtualobserver]

72. I don't mind attacks on Dean....

It was the attack on Gore using the Republican talking points that I objected to.....that was the point of this thread.

[George_Bonanza]

82. So when Dean attacks his fellow Dems, that's not what Repubs would do?

I will say that what Kerry said was ill-timed, in that Gore's not even running. But to use this one incident to discredit Kerry is odious. I feel like the media is already starting to gang up on him, starting with the Philly cheese steak incident.

Any attack on a Democrat is a "Republican talking point." When Dean attacked his opponents, he was doing what a Republican would do should any one of them get elected. I don't see how this is so different compared to Kerry. At least Gore's not a potential president right now. They're both wrong, let's settle it at that.

[virtualobserver]

83. The difference is......

Democrats don't usually tell total lies about their opponents.
Republicans do it so often no one even notices.

It is one thing to attack your opponent, and have a different take on their actions. I do think that all Democratic candidates deserve to have their positions scrutinized and attacked.

My problem with the "joke" about Gore is that is was the exact lie that Republicans used to undermine Gore's credibility, and he was using that joke to deflect something true that was said about his campaign. All he had to say was "yeah, Dean's people started the petition first, but we thought it was a good idea too, and you can't have too many people doing the right thing".

If Kerry wins the nomination, I'll vote for him....but this pissed me off.

[George_Bonanza]

99. Dean had to apologize to Edwards and Graham

About shooting his mouth off, aka telling lies.

[virtualobserver]

103. the fact that he apologized........

means that he made a mistake, not that he lied.

I would be very happy if Kerry apologized and stated clearly that he did not agree with the premise of the joke (Gore is a liar).

[DrFunkenstein]

102. Since When Are Jokes Confirmations

This is what I mean by humorless.

[virtualobserver]

104. the joke means that Gore is a exaggerator and liar

which was the theme of the 2000 Bush campaign.
I'm glad that you found that amusing.

He then links it to Dean's campaign, when all that the Dean campaign was pointing out was the truth, that his campaign was one week late to the game.

If that is you and your candidate's idea of "humor", then I'm sure that Karl Rove can fax over some additional jokes.

I wouldn't care if it was Lieberman doing this but Kerry is one of the people I am counting on in this election.

[DrFunkenstein]

105. Give The Sanctimony Trip A Rest

"I'm glad that you found that amusing."

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :puke: :nopity:

[virtualobserver]

106. sarcasm is an integral part of my life

no offense intended

[Octafish]

47. More Tricky Dick shit from Trippi.

Joe Trippi thinks he's the new Kar Rove, who learned Goebbels' craft from Nixon's dirty boys. Judging by the responses of many Dean supporters, he may just be right. Their misinformation is designed to diminish the chances of Kerry — the candidate with the best shot for getting rid of Bushler in 2004.

[w4rma]

48. Noone made Kerry say this, Octafish. There are no mind-control rays.(n/t)

[Octafish]

98. Respectfully disagree. Here's info on a patented device.

United States Patent 6,052,336
Lowrey, III April 18, 2000


Apparatus and method of broadcasting audible sound using ultrasonic sound as a carrier


Abstract
An ultrasonic sound source broadcasts an ultrasonic signal which is amplitude and/or frequency modulated with an information input signal originating from an information input source. If the signals are amplitude modulated, a square root function of the information input signal is produced prior to modulation. The modulated signal, which may be amplified, is then broadcast via a projector unit, whereupon an individual or group of individuals located in the broadcast region detect the audible sound.

[Cha]

63. rove made kerry say it.

[Octafish]

97. No one MAKES Kerry say or do anything.

Other than John Kerry. That's one of the reasons I support him.

The people he hangs around with is another reason:

[molly]

112. It's beginning to backfire

[DrFunkenstein]

65. Website Dedicated To Tracking Smears About Gore and Kerry

"The media's overall treatment of the highly respectable former Vice-President Al Gore has been downright appalling. We find insufficient emotion to express our outrage against the truly egregious, pathetic behavior of, and massive perpetration of lies, distortions and insults by, many in the American Press and Media towards/against Al Gore."

http://www.eriposte.com/media/bias/media_bias_gore.htm

"It is highly probable that the right-wing and the GOP will attack John Kerry in a concerted way considering his strong Presidential credentials. We will try and provide a voice in favor of Mr. Kerry and against the lies, B.S., or slander against him, in this page."

http://www.eriposte.com/media/bias/media_bias_kerry.htm

I'd say this thread falls into one or two of those categories. Take your pick - lie, BS, or slander?

[virtualobserver]

66. if quoting Kerry is slander.......

then Kerry doth slander himself, my good man.

[molly]

69. And who exactly do you support - oh, let me guess

[DrFunkenstein]

70. Here's A Quote For You

'When I was in Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet'.

That came straight out of Gore's mouth. Why does he slander himself by suggesting he started the internet? After all, he said it.

[Egnever]

73. Umm thats the truth

He did take the initiative in creating the internet.

Arguably the internet wouldnt be what it was today without gores support while he was in congress. He certainly didt invent it but he sure as hell fought for the funding to make it hapen.

[DrFunkenstein]

87. I Swear Sometimes

I know that's the friggin' truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point was that you can twist a quote however you want to. If you slow down a joke and squeeze it in another direction, it is no different than replacing "taking the initiative in creating" and substituting "invented." This shit happens to Kerry all the time - his medals, his Irish background, on and on - people twist his words to make him seem like a fool or a jerk.

The difference is that it is usually Republicans.

[virtualobserver]

74. and Gore was correct......

and Vint Cerf, author of the TCP-IP protocol wrote a very convincing paper supporting Gore on that. Gore sponsored legislation in the early 90's that made the commercial internet possible.

Kerry (and Rove's) joke that Gore "claimed" he did ridicules him as if it was absurd.

[dsc]

86. He used the word invented

It would be like the DeMedegis taking credit for writing and creating the works of art they funded. Gore did indeed take a leading role in securing government funding for the internet which is what he claimed to have done. If you still have no idea what the problem is go to a dictionary and look up invent.

[DrFunkenstein]

91. Let's Play This One In Slow Motion, Shall We?

Clearly as the camera rolls to frame 3:49:06, you can clearly see the word "invent" on Kerry's lip. What were the ideas going on in his head at the time? What effect did his parents have on his life leading up to this moment? Just what did Kerry mean by cutting down the elected President in a time of war?

[virtualobserver]

94. we could play it in real time

Did you think it was funny when the Republicans ridiculed Gore during the 2000 election? Was it a laugh riot for you?

[dsc]

95. Mock me if you wish

but Gore lost the race on shit like this. Other than the Buddist Temple and a little bit of Love Canal all of the ginned up lies about Gore had nothing at all to do with real issues. If you honestly can't see that funding the internet and inventing the internet are different claims to have been made then I don't know what else to say.

[DrFunkenstein]

101. That's Not What I'm Saying

I'm sorry if you didn't read post #87(?), but I totally agree with you about Gore's claims. My point was that Kerry's joke is not nearly as sinister as it appears on the page. Especially in the context of the reporter talking about "restrained yucking" and whatever.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

109. Neither was...

...Trippi's 'play dead' joke, but you seemed to be extrememly bothered about that. That joke was plain silly, but Kerry's was just plain stupid.

[dsc]

71. It isn't slander

since Kerry said it. And it was incredibly foolish for him to have done so. Your own site shows why. Just what argument is he going to make when they slander him after he gives credence to their slander of Gore.

[DrFunkenstein]

75. Like Dean's Incredible BS, Twisting Kerry's Words About Being "Misled"

LEBANON, N.H. (AP) Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday that President Bush broke his promise to build an international coalition against Iraq"s Saddam Hussein and then waged a war based on questionable intelligence.

"He misled every one of us," Kerry said. "That"s one reason why I"m running to be president of the United States."

Kerry said Bush made his case for war based on at least two pieces of U.S. intelligence that now appear to be wrong that Iraq sought nuclear material from Africa and that Saddam"s regime had aerial weapons capable of attacking the United States with biological material.

"I believe I can hold President Bush accountable if they have misled us," he said.

Addressing senior citizens in Hanover later in the evening, Kerry said he supported a congressional investigation because it was not clear whether Bush acted on poor, distorted or politicized intelligence.

"I don"t have the answer," he said. "I want the answer and the American people deserve the answer. I will get to the bottom of this."

http://truthout.org/docs_03/061903A.shtml

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"We were misled," Mr. Dean said. "The question is, did the president do that on purpose or was he misled by his own intelligence people?"

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030623-122726-4425r.htm

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''A bunch of the people who voted for this war are now saying, `Well, we were misled,''' said Dean. ''The fact is you can't afford to be misled if you are running for president of the United States.''

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/206/oped/Dean_won_t_let_Kerry_off_the_hook+.shtml

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That's outright deception. Kerry did not say he was fooled. Bush's speech came months after his vote anyway. Kerry was saying exactly what Dean was saying - Bush had distorted or lied about evidence - except Dean twisted it in the most underhanded of ways.

And you're upset about a Gore joke by the guy who was #2 for Gore's VP position? A little friggin' perspective please.

Now I'd like to hear a Dean supporter say this isn't blatant distortion.

[virtualobserver]

76. the point of Dean's attack is......

that Kerry was foolish to give Bush blank check authority.

I'm sitting at my house, and I could see that the administrations reasons for the war were B.S. If I could see it from here, and Kerry couldn't see it from Washington, then whether he admits it or not, he was fooled.

[DrFunkenstein]

77. Ouch Ouch Ouch

Your logic is hurting me.

Way to turn "fooled" into "foolish." Secondly, Kerry said from the beginning that there was no case for an imminent threat (despite Dean's underhanded suggestions that he had). Kerry voted for the resolution because he felt the need to disarm Saddam Hussein according to the peace terms Saddam had signed. That is not foolish.

[virtualobserver]

78. then we must agree to disagree......

I think that it was foolish. I find our current overextended situation in Iraq apalling.

[Bake]

79. Kinda makes me wish Gore would get in the race

Hell, let's have THE REAL THING.

I've been saying for a while now that the Democratic field is, uh, pretty uninspiring. Hell, let's get Al in there to settle the score!

Too bad he's still not running...

Bake

[virtualobserver]

80. if no one breaks out of the pack....

Gore might be chosen at the convention.

[last_texas_dem]

81. Sure, it's just intended to be a joke...

...but Kerry using the sort of lines the media whores used to help install * in the 2000 election is a disgrace to me. Kerry said to "get over it" previously and now he's talking about Gore inventing the Internet? I've stated before that I'm undecided on a candidate. Kerry was pretty high on my list, but more of this petty garbage and he'll drop further than he has already. He's mocking my legitimately elected President and I just don't find that funny at all.

[SEAburb]

85. sounds like the Dean team cares more about their petition idea,

than workers overtime rules.

[DrFunkenstein]

90. Thank You

Dean supporters around here seem more intent on proving themselves correct than about the issues.

Which is why issue-oriented threads die quick deaths, and ones about sandwiches get hundreds of posts.

[virtualobserver]

92. Kerry had an opportunity......

to show us how much he cared about that issue....instead he told a "Gore invented the internet" joke.

[dsc]

93. Yeah

and Kerry people never do this. You are all innocent babes and we are evil slime. Give me a break.

We have clearly stated our problem with what Kerry did here. I have defended Kerry on several other occasions when he said things like we should move on. But this is different. He didn't simply use the words of the right wing and the press this time he co opted the idea. Clearly he thinks that Gore claimed to have invented the internet. That is baldly false as any careful reader of places like www.dailyhowler.com knows. He also clearly thinks Gore didn't do very well which is yet another right wing press spin point.

The most incredible thing is Kerry should know better. He has been slandered repeatedly on trivial issues by his hometown paper (the Boston Globe). Search www.dailyhowler.com for examples. The absolute last thing Kerry should be doing is giving even joking credence to fall press accounts of Democratic politicians.

The only thing I blame Gore's campaign for in 2000 was their non recognition of the press war against them. This is no joking matter. If Kerry thinks that the press coverage is a joking matter then he needs to rethink that now. If people copy nothing else from Dean's campaign the Dean Defense Force idea should be copied. Every lie, no matter how trivial the subject is, needs to be challenged immediately. And having supporters do it is inspired. This quote by Kerry shows me doesn't get that. He needs to and fast.

[DrFunkenstein]

100. Would Kerry Really Offend Gore After He Just Said He'd Endorse Someone?

Dean staffers told the reporters ahead of time that Kerry was a copycat. Instead of being snarky back, Kerry made a joke about the media's willful misperceptions. It seems more sinister on the page, because you can go back and think about it over and over.

You're right, Kerry should know better. I think he does, and I think the joke flew over alot of people's heads, especially people who want it to.

Kerry and Gore get alot of the same treatment because of their mix of liberal politics and their painful sincerity. Kerry knows that, and I think that's what he was getting at in his joke.

http://www.rnc.org/Newsroom/RNCResearch/research061203.htm

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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/05/07/kerry/index_np.html

[dsc]

110. If his quote hadn't included

"didn't do very well" then maybe I would be better able to accept your interpretation. But he also put that in there. I just think he was so gung ho to slam Dean that he didn't think about what he said.

[DrFunkenstein]

113. Why Does "Didn't Do That Well" Mean In The Elections?

I know this is kind of basic point. But where did he say Gore didn't do well in the elections?

[virtualobserver]

114. you are right

he might have been talking about the brownies that Gore was baking

[dsc]

115. Is it your contention he didn't mean Gore

or didn't mean the elections? He clearly meant Gore and given he used the word candidate elections seem to follow.

[DrFunkenstein]

119. Here's The Quote

"Well, the last person I heard who claimed he had invented the Internet didn't do so well."

Where is the word candidate? My point is that Kerry's joke wasn't that Gore lost the election - he lost control of the media that butchered him endlessly on BS like that.

[Paine Lives]

108. Kerry

Retarded response by Kerry. Gore won the popular vote in 2000. He did a lot better than Kerry is going to do. If he was in this primary race, Kerry would be an afterthought.

Dean's people do need to lighten up a bit, however. They don't want this 'bully' reputation to continue.

[Duder]

111. Shameful

Contact Kerry -
[e-mail]

'It's important that his campaign fulfill its responsibility as a Democratic campaign and retract any suggestion that the media spin on Gore and the internet was correct.'

[blm]

117. Too bad that the paper doesn't use SMILEY ICONS.

For those of you who can't hear when someone's being flip or sarcastic.

[dkf]

118. Tennessee columnist remarks

http://www.gomemphis.com/mca/opinion_columnists/article/0,1426,MCA_539_2185262,00.html

SEN. JOHN Kerry (D-Mass.) has Ford in his camp for the Tennessee presidential primary Feb. 3, but you have to wonder whether he is going to have former vice president Al Gore's help after Kerry's recent crack during an interview in Iowa.

Kerry was asked whether he was stealing Vermont Gov. Howard Dean's Internet strategy by promoting an online petition to protest the Bush administration's proposed changes in overtime pay.

"Well, the last person I heard who claimed he had invented the Internet didn't do so well," Kerry said.

Gore's remarks about helping to "create" the Internet were distorted by Republicans, and Gore still received more popular votes than President Bush.