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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:00 PM
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good article on Dennis K
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 02:04 PM by JohnKleeb
http://www.townonline.com/cambridge/news/opinion/cam_colccpennms10012003.htm
*battlecry* Kucinich! for president.
He really is something. I am always happy to support this man.
I seriously think Mr. Penn has been reading my mind because this kind of what I think too dont flame me but seeing that poll where 50% said they agree with him the most on the issues and the other where people identifed themselves as progressives who wanted to change the system. Yet polls also have DK's support here at 15%, I dont know why Kucinich isnt that popular, I think Penn raised a legit question about the media and I think superficality is a factor. Just my points. If you wanna know why I have been bummed out its thinkin about this.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:08 PM
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1. He is the best choice by far
1. He has fought Bush at every turn
2. His views are laid out in detail for all to see
3. He is beholding to no one but the people
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:10 PM
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2. Thank you John
This is a damn good little write up. You sure are a dedicated DK supporter.

I will say, many Dean people I talk to like DK too, yet they are stuck on the electability issue. It's getting to the point of cliche'. If everybody voted for the right guy, he's electable. Not much more difficult than that. People think Bush would walk all over Dennis, but, personally, if these two got into a national forum on issues, G-Dubs would be in trouble. One debate against Kucinich and it would be all over, because Dennis would call him on everything. He has the guts to do it. Bush would be done for once the whole world heard him get slammed for an hour or so. I'd bet money on that.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:14 PM
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3. so would I
Cliche Ive heard that so many times, they should have to donate a dollar to our campaign :evilgrin: everytime someone says that.
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NuckinFutz Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:14 PM
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8. Imagine...
What would happen if we ALL voted our conscience. In the end, the right person would win. I've caught myself thinking DK won't be able to beat Bush, and I'm ashamed to have decided that, based on the minimal information found in the media. The Pace debate changed my mind, along with things I've read concerning his early fights with the power company in Ohio. He works for the people. He never sounds like he's pandering for votes the way most politicians do. I'll support him in the primary.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:16 PM
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10. Well welcome
He is great. He is a sucess story too, living proof that the American dream does exist. He is the people's candiate and always has been.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:18 PM
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12. They said Wellstone was unelectable, too
What we get when we refuse to reach for the stars, is refuse.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:23 PM
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4. Thanks Joh, I agree with you and Adam Penn
But I have a bad migraine and can't think enough to give you a better response.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:27 PM
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5. hope the migrane gets better
I just wanna come out and say the same thing. This article honest to god explains why I was down in the past, I am up again knowing that that we got Gene McCarthy to endorse DK today, that I am feeling good, that tomorrow is gonna be fun, and that DK is really the best out there. Its the media and I hate to lament but we know its true, no chance I have been told that so many times.
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:54 PM
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6. Thanks John
for posting this great article. I'm pretty sick of hearing the "Kucinich can't win" crap too. It doesn't, however, change the fact that he has a Lot of support and I'd like to believe that, for the most part, people vote based on their heart and not fear.

Having always lived my life doing things other people would tell me I'd live to regret, or were too risky, or simply wouldn't work - One thing is for certain ... They were wrong.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:59 PM
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7. Hey your welcome Kat
He does have support, I know that but I have heard this so often. I just get so angry when I am told this, thats why I get down and wonder if I am just not made for America, we can do this, this is everyones moment.
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:31 PM
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13. I do understand John ...
It would be one thing IF this did appear to be the case and people were repeatedly saying it. It doesn't appear to be fact (unless, of course, supporters let themselves be mislead by the belief he is unelectable).

We have an opportunity, because of the contempt the majority of Americans feel for this horridly corrupt and destructive administration, to make a change. It is frustrating to hear people tell you "that just isn't possible".

btw - check out this link. Someone sent it to me the other day.
http://postcards.audiogenerator.com/P001/P1128131.htm
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:15 PM
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9. Great artcicle. Dennis is the best.
Thank you for posting this.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:18 PM
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11. your welcome
It says basically what Ive been basically infering too all along plus the fact that this is what gets me down, well I just hope win or lose and believe me losing this presidential primary wont mean this great man will be gone, he will be back, I think history will remember President Kucinich as one of the best up there with FDR and Lincoln. I am sorry to sound boastful but his education and health care plans are truly amazing. I love his education plan too.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 05:10 PM
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14. Wow, what a great piece!
This is one of the better articles I've read on the subject-- nice work John!

In MN, we've got another busload of Kucinich folk going to IA this weekend to help out the caucus effort. The word is spreading like wildfire!!! In a caucus state, grassroots efforts pay off exceptionally well. I think Dennis will finish VERY well in Iowa, much to the chagrin and suprise of the media. I wouldn't be suprised if he actually GETS NOTICED by the mainstream press afterwards (if not before).
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:02 PM
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17. Union people there are really looking at him closely...
because he's the BEST LABOR CANDIDATE and Gephart is getting ONLY unions support, so he's proving less viable.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:24 PM
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22. OH MY G-D!*shaking now that this post has sunk in*
rev, you have no idea how much you just did for me! I read this post for about the umpteenth time and it finally hit me what you were getting at! We really honest to goodness have a shot at this!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :loveya:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 05:24 PM
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15. Thanks John!
I read through the article quickly and do not have enough time to adequately respond but I will be back to read it more carefully and respond after rehearsal. Thanks.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 07:37 PM
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16. I know how you feel, John.
There are days I just sit here reading the minscule mentions in the news, or scream because I missed a chance to see him deliver a floor speech (one of very few times I get to see him speak live). I missed his speech on the $87 Billion, and I was so disappointed I wept. I knew I wanted to see that speech because I knew he'd say everything that was on my mind, and I missed it.

Then I went to meetup and discovered that we were being covered for a local alternative newspaper. They specifically wanted a shot of me because I had on my Kucinich T-shirt, one of the big blue buttons, and a ball cap. I sold three hats, gave out bumper-stickers, and we set up a house-party for the Announcement effort. We signed up a few new people and decided we'll be moving our meetings to cover all sections of the city in hopes of drawing more into the fold. We made plans to get copies of the information about our electronic elction machines and what needs to be done to make sure we have a fair election, and we made plans to organize to register and transport homeless people for the Primaries.

We made some progress, and so now I'm sitting here listening to "A Prayer For America" mostly because I just needed to hear from the President of my heart again. The more I hear and see of him, the more I long to hear "Today President Kucinich met with members of the United Nations...", the more determined I become to hear that in the year 2005, the more I'm struck with the knowledge that the United States is a better place because he is one of our citizens.

I realized today something that tells me just how much this man being elected means to me. I lost my mother a good 7 years ago- 7 years ago in 2 days, in fact. The day she died, I kissed her, and with tears in my eyes looked at her face mumbling "That is the most beautiful face in the world. I hate that I won't see it again.". This morning, I went to the campaign home-page to look for something, and when the photo came up, I smiled, wept a bit and mumbled "That's the most beautiful face in the world. That's my President!".

Dennis Kucinich is already my President, the rest of the world just hasn't figured it out yet.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:47 PM
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18. He elicits that response
in me as well and I do not understand it. I guess I kinda do but it is so unlike me! When I saw him speak today, as he walked out and "Imagine" was playing I burst into tears. My husband thought I was nuts. My whole life I have fought against oppression, not only mine (I had a very awful childhood) but against others and this man is so inclusive. His love of humanity and peace is so apparent on his face and in his words and actions. I can't imagine why he doesn't touch some of the people here but then they don't know why Dean and the others do not touch me. He touches our souls or he does not I suppose. That is why we jump to his defense so quickly and seem to take it so personally I guess. We need the total opposite of Bush*, I can't help but think the opposite would have the best chance of winning and the only total opposite is Dennis. I hope someday to have the priviledge of meeting him.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:51 PM
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20. We'll meet him, Muse.
I know we will because he won't be the kind of President who hides in the White House, Camp David, and gated mansions or country clubs. He'll be roaming around among us, talking to us, and finding out how we feel about his work. When he gets the nomination he'll be visiting as many places as he can to stir the same passion in others as he does in us.

I sat here and watched the replay of his DNC speech with my hands over my heart and a stupid grin on my face. He was incredible, and this means a few more letters to the Editor I think. The press sidelined him yet again from everything I read, and that statement "How can you run alongside Bush in war and then run against him claiming to want peace." should have been plastered on every article about it.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:18 PM
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19. A great article for a great candidate...
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 10:59 PM by burr
I agree that most Democrats probably haven't even heard the name Kucinich, and when they do many think it's some type of vegetable. I also think it is sorry that voters now must do all of their own research and information gathering to get any reliable data about the ten candidates. Few voters have time for this, and as a result primary voters increasingly flock to those candidates that they do have some exposure to. Any candidate who speaks out against shrub in this era, is music to any true Democrat's ears. Unfortunately one or two candidates is all that the typical primary voter may get exposed to..either through mass media or word of mouth. For instance, in South Carolina voters may consider John Edwards who was born in the state or John Kerry who announced in that state. But most will go with the first candidate they remember to be against shrub, the other 9 will not even be considered.

The problems I have with Kucinich are substantive..his flip-flops on abortion, his vote against stem-cell research, and the same problem I have with all other candidates in this race. While both Dean and Kucinich support the idea of IRV, none of the candidates have embraced the concept of abolishing the Electoral College. But Kucinich is one of the three or four primary candidates I am presently considering.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:08 PM
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21. "...abolishing the Electoral College"
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 11:18 PM by diamondsoul
Oh goody, something else to bug Headquarters with!*LOL*

Seriously, now you've got me wondering about his thoughts on that subject. I'm not sure any of them can afford to come out against it right now, if you think about it. Let me put it this way, would you cast an electoral ballot for the guy who was promising to put you out of a job?

*on edit: I forgot to mention there are 13 States which don't require Electors to cast their ballots by popular vote.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:43 AM
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23. This is a great piece.
I wish we could see it in the op/ed section of major newspapers.

Wait! :think:

We could write our own version, shortened to "Letters to the Editor" length, and send it in to the bigger papers. The more the merrier. I'll make that the project for today, and send off to the LA Times, the NYT....where else?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:57 AM
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24. That is an excellent idea!
I am not a good writer so I will run it though my husband, he is better than I at it so we work well putting things together. We should post them here when we get them done and see if anyone gets theirs published. I will work on this on Sunday, today is concert day so I am usually shot for most things that day. Great idea.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:23 AM
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25. great idea
I'll write the Washington Post.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:07 PM
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26. Good!
Both of you write!

I sent off 11 letters today. Requirements were different for many of the papers, so I didn't send the same thing; I just typed in their little box and clicked send. I don't know how many will show up, but some should! I mostly just noted that we needed full coverage of all candidates to make the best choice, and pointed out some of Dennis' strengths that need to be covered.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:40 PM
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27. yawn kind of tired right now Wolf
I feel great though.
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