Kerry Slams Holy Joe and HoHo and Rallies at Detroit Church

[DJcairo]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I21919-2003Oct26L

Check out the pic....

The Ashcroft line and at HoHo for his indefensible position on tax cuts which I parody here (We need to repeal all the tax cuts, even for the middle class, because there were no tax cuts for the middle class.) Am I the only one who scatches their head at that?

Great debate. I thought Kerry did well and I admired him for his courage in standing up for gun safety, something Bush-lite Dean would touch with a ten foot pole.

[Octafish]

1. Kerry is proud to be a LIBERAL Democrat!

What's more, he's proud to be a FIGHTING Democrat!

Good on him!

Go John Kerry!

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2. I got a negative 15,700 dollar tax cut

Yea I got that 300 dollar check (gee thanks) but I am making 16k less now. Our economy is a mess and these tax cuts are why.

[DJcairo]

3. Yea, that's why you ought to supprot Kerry

His plan is responsible and would actually help the economy. You don't help the economy by increasing the squeeze on the middle class. "Last time I checked, the problem was not that the middle class has too much money."-J. Kerry

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4. No you help the economy by balancing the budget

that is what Clinton did and that is what Dean will do.

[MrPeepers]

Actually...

balancing the budget is not a cure-all. If you're in a recession, balancing the budget will actually make it worse. If you're in a period of growth, balancing the budget will accelerate the growth.

Peepers

[SahaleArm]

5. Dirty Little Secret.

The economy is in a mess because the Dot-Bomb bubble burst; the tax cuts only worsened the situation.

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6. I don't have anything at all to do with dot coms

I work for my local school district and due to Bush's mismanagment of funds I lost my position. Dot coms didn't do squat to me or the economy in my area.

[SahaleArm]

7. Indirectly everything is linked.

The lousy economy and lack of revenue creates smaller budgets, Federal and State. Combine that with Bush's fiscal mismanagement and the result is lost jobs, public and private. The market crash (Dot-Coms, Enron, Worldcom, etc.) has really hurt pensions as well.

[KaraokeKarlton]

8. Kerry has started talking gun control?

I hope so! If he does, he's going to sink to the bottom in NH the second word gets out about that. If he doesn't do well in NH, he's done.

[JohnKleeb]

9. He may get screwed in NH for that

but to some gun control is a key issue, I dont like playing in to fear really honestly, now I know conditions are different in Vermont and NYC lets say but I dont like guns period, I am not for repealing the 2nd amendment mind you but I but hate guns, my uncle shot and killed himself, also many uncles who served those guns probably traumatized them, I read I think the other day that in your state of Vermont a kid my age can carry a concealed gun, I dont like that, now some kids would find that "cool", I dont.

[KaraokeKarlton]

12. There's no "may" about it. Kerry is done in NH if voters there hear this

In NH, guns rights are a bigger issue than abortion rights and it's more important than education as well. There is only one thing more important to NH-ites than guns, and that's money.

Yes, 16 year olds can carry a concealed gun in VT. Most don't, though. Teenagers in areas big on hunting have a great deal of respect for guns because they are raised to. Clearly you couldn't allow this in NY City or Los Angeles because the population is just different. It's fine in Vermont, though. It's much better for a kid to grow up in a family that hunts and has guns than it is for a kid to grow up in an anti-gun family. If something is Taboo, teenagers are a lot more drawn to it than if it's not. This is why telling teens not to smoke, drink, use drugs or have sex just tends to make them even more interested in those things. The best favor a parent can do for a kid is expose them to guns early and teach them to respect them for what they are...a tool used only in certain situations with the potential to cause grave harm if you mistreat them or don't respect them. I was taught to shoot as a child and I was shown how to be responsible with guns. Education is the key in preventing accidents and tragedies with kids and guns. Crime isn't going to be prevented no matter what laws are put on the books. Think about cars and driving for a minute. Cars can be just as deadly as a gun to a teenager. Do we just keep kids away from cars until they are old enough to drive and then assume they can just hop behind the wheel and drive? Hell no! We give them driver's ed. If they are older and don't take it, we teach them ourselves how to drive safely. Responsible parents know that guns are going to be a reality for every person at one point or another. They might be in a home with guns or show an interest in hunting later in life. We should be teaching kids properly instead of just trying to shelter them. Parents need to prepare kids for life, and guns are one of the issues too often neglected. I would advise every parent to go to a gun safety class with their children and take them to a firing range and get shooting lessons together. That doesn't mean you have to own a gun...but everyone should learn how to properly use and respect one.

[JohnKleeb]

14. I dont know about guns, I just dont like them

A car is a vehicle and a gun is a weapon. I disagree about upbringing. Yes things are different in the city than in the country but it doesnt feel right. Why should everyone learn to use a gun? Now I am all cool with gun safety but all should not learn to use a gun, I dont like them, its what the gun does that bothers me. I dont plan to own or learn to use a gun ever. Sounds pathenic you may think, but Ive seen what they do, and its horrible, now I know you gotta protect yourself I respect that but I dont like guns.

[cindyw]

24. If Kerry loses in NH as it is now he is in trouble, but if he make gun

control the issue it will hurt him less to loose. The reason for this. If Dean wins NH is perceived to be a win on the gun issue, it will hurt him in other states. This will benefit Kerry. If Kerry choses to make guns the issue, this is a whole new ball game. The gun issue won't hurt Kerry in the General because he can choose not to make it an issue as it is not now.

[Township75]

10. I hope so too!

That will end his campaign in a hurry, and it will serve notice to other Dems that despite the very loud anti gun minority in our party, people do not want more gun control....don't agree with me? Well, THe NRA A+ rated Dean is likely to be our Dem candidate,he hasn't hidden from gun rights beliefs and he is soaring ahead of those with their anti gun beliefs.

Last night during the debate, Kerry tried to sound off on gun control...but gun control is so unpopular he called it gun safety. That is how unpopular that issue is outside of the small minority, they have to rename it to attempt to sell it.

I say, DEAN FOR PRES!

[KaraokeKarlton]

13. You live in a township?

If so, then you understand that rural life and guns go hand in hand. Anti-gun and rural America don't mix.

[Township75]

15. I do, but that isn't how I picked my username...

that comes from something else.

Actually, I grew up in the "suburbs" of a 3 traffic light town. I had 2 of the most anti-gun parents one could imagine. But since rural folk know what guns are and what they are not, how to handle them properly and how to handly them improperly, and they do not live in fear of inaminate objects, I turned out differently.

Kerry makes me want to puke...he claims he is a hunter (or was). I would love to ask him what he hunted and what type of firearm he used. I bet he couldn't name it, likely because it is BS.

[Pez]

16. he's not against hunters' rights to responsible gun ownership...

there are a few steps that can be taken that won't affect hunters at all. will it hurt hunting if saturday night specials are banned? will it hurt hunting if background checks are required at gun shows so criminals can't buy weapons, bring them across boarders for resale, to be used in crimes?

would hunters mind waiting 5 days to get a weapon if it meant their fellow citizens in other states could be safer? i don't think so. everyone has to work together to make sure crimes done with weapons-- obtained LEGALLY in other states-- don't get into the hands of people who would use them to harm people.

to think a little gun control is horrible and will mean the end if hunting is simplistic, ignorant and selfish.

[JohnKleeb]

17. freaked out I bet you are Pez

:eyes: feeling like the odd man out here but thanks for reassuring I am not alone.

[Pez]

20. handguns and assault weapons aren't needed for taking out a goose.

i don't understand why people wouldn't take the extra step to make sure their fellow citizens in urban areas-- who have problems with wepons purchased in rural states with lax gun laws-- are safer from gun violence. it has nothing to do with anything responsible hunters need...

[JohnKleeb]

21. You got me pez

I agree with what you are saying. Why would you need a handgun or assault weapon to take out a goose? I have no idea.

[Punkingal]

18. With regard to guns......

Kerry has said he himself is a hunter, but he sees no reason why anyone needs to own an AK-47 to shoot a deer. That seems like a reasonable position to have. I grew up on a farm, everyone hunted, and they still do, and none of them buy into the NRA bullshit that any kind of gun control is wrong.

[JohnKleeb]

19. I am from the suburbs so I dont know many hunters

I do have some hunters in my family but the last thing they got on their minds is voting GOP simply because of guns. I agree with Kerry here, why do you need an AK to hunt a deer.

[Pez]

22. NRA just has tons o' $$$ so they buy time to scare liberals...

i also grew up on a farm in the middle of EFFING NOWHERE and my neighbors hunted. they weren't democrats, but they weren't against assault weapons ban, waiting period, tracing or stricter sales at gun shows.

if it meant everyone in the you.s. was safer, then they agreed it should be done.

[killbotfactory]

27. No one can buy an AK-47

It's been that way since the 30's, I believe.

Dean's said the same thing as Kerry, too. I just don't get it.

[MrPeepers]

23. Yeah...

It's so awful to confront real issues that are taking a hell of a lot of lives in our country. I'd much rather Kerry take a stand on gun control like a true Liberal than shirk away from it for the sake of the polls. How can you believe Kerry waffles to get his poll numbers up when you said yourself his stand on gun control is going to hurt him in NH?

Peepers

[Egnever]

26. Cause once again he is wrong

He brought it out trying to slam dean IMHO. Thinking it would help him.

I think it will have the oposite effect. He was clearly trying to compare hiomself to dean and accentuate the differences. It just goes to show IMHO how out of touch kerry really is. If GWB has done anything with the patriot act and his assault on civil liberties in America he has given people a reason to believe that maybe they shouldnt be so fast to give up thier guns.

[Egnever]

25. Gotta agree i was shocked to hear him bring up guns

In my opinion this will hurt him more than anything to date. I hope he keeps it up. So we can finnaly put this guy to bed.

Gun control is the biggest losing issue the dems hold IMHO. Nothing wrong with sensible gun control regulated state by state according to thier needs, He seemed to be coming out in favor of federal legislation though and that will lose him suppport quickly.

[Padraig18]

11. Is it neccessary to use juvenile nicknames in your title?

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