If my candidate can't have the party's nomination....

[Nazgul35]

nobody can!!!!!!

Or at least that seems to be the sentiment around here....

As the time shortens and the chance for some candidates begins to run out, some of their supporters have adopted a scorched earth policy...attack any and all candidates that are ahead of yours (can I get an ahmen Clark and Dean supporters) irregardless of the facts....misquote, carefully edit, out and out lie in any attempt to throw some mud on the front runners....

And things are only going to get worse.....

but for those of you who are disparing, remember this....most Americans dont and wont even hear any of this nonsense...99% of the American public could care less about most of the minutia that we spend days and hours on.....most of the posters are not doing much more than sit on their asses and post thread after thread in an environment that will have little impact on the actual elections....

We are at our best as a blogsphere when we provide information that is not normally available due to the media blocking out stories....when we organize to act through flood the zone fridays, MoveOn, and more....

Don't let it get you down....they'll beging switching as their candidates drop out and will be (for the most part) just as nasty for the eventual candidate who wins...and the nominee will have survived through nasty rumors and inuendo that the repugs wont even have thought of....and we will be ready for it.....by using our new blog community to fight back!!!!

Keep your chins up.....it'll be over soon....less than 90 days until Iowa and NH.....than we can ebgin to go after the real enemy!!!!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. We will win in 2004!

[Lefty48197]

2. I question the Democratic credentials

of those calling Gephardt, Dean, Kerry... "Bush light" or any of that other crap. Admit it people, some of you have no intention of voting for the Democratic nominee, you're just trying to disrupt things.

[genius]

3. In the general election, I'll vote for any Democrat but Dean

Dean's disrespect for the African Americans is not something I will ever support.

[LuminousX]

4. Nice to know so many blacks support your view

I'm sure Jesse Jackson Jr. will be jumping on your narrow bandwagon.

[Padraig18]

6. Elected you their spokesman, have they?

Nice paternalism on your part; I prefer to believe that Blacks are intelligent enough to see this for what it is, without you liberal guardians of truth and light telling them. :eyes:

[mzmolly]

7. BRAVO! What condescending CRAP huh?

[Padraig18]

8. Yep.

Could have come straight out of 'The White Man's Burden Handbook'... :eyes:

[MrSoundAndVision]

11. I prefer to assume that....

with 1 in 12 black men in prison, they would want you fine speculators to elect someone who might profess alternative rehabilitation for drug offenders. And you all know who that candidate is, Dennis Kucinich: free our brothers and sisters who have been thrown in jail to support a $40 billion a year industry because of a social disease and a physiological disease.

[Padraig18]

12. Most of them are there for drug-related offenses...

... which dean has said is a medical problem, and not a criminal one, and should be dealt with as such. That is something Black Americans should and will hear.

[Pez]

17. more AAs are in jail on drug offences not because it's a medical issue

they're there because they are targeted. most people are in there for stupid crap like pot posession-- dean's idea that black people are druggies is crap. go to any yuppie hang on any friday night and i can assure you there would be more white jackholes with almost an ounce of white widow, coke, heroin on them than blacks.

it is not an issue of one specific group being more addicted to drugs; it's an issue of racial profiling.

i don't think pot posession should be a criminal offence, but dean's assumption that minorities are more likely to be put in jail on drug offences because they have addiction problems is way off. sweep the college hangs on the upper west side or the village on a friday night and i assure you, the yuppy white prison population will represent.

[Padraig18]

19. Oh, please!

Dean didn't say Black people were druggies. How did you get that out of *anything* Dean has said or *I* have posted?:wtf:

[Pez]

25. that's not the point

the point is dean thinks people in jail on drug offenses are there because they have more of a problem than the rest of society with drugs. a majority of the prison population currently incarcerated are minorities. so that would mean dean thinks they have a problem with drugs that should be treated medically.

reality is, they are there for posession for the most part, and not because they are addicts. more minorities are in jail for drug offences because of racial profiling. if everyone who had a 50 bag in their pocket were arrested, there would be a significant number of white yuppies in there. but, they aren't targeted because they are white, and aren't included in the racial profiling. that's why if you're white and have a kilo of coke you get a slap on the wrist, while the black guy in harlem who has a fifty bag of pot goes to jail for a lot longer. posessing coke implies a much more serious addiction problem than pot, but since race plays a key role in how the judicial system determines whether or not you will be a "problem" to society, they get off easy.

[Padraig18]

27. Don't put words in Dean's mouth.

He has said nothing whatever like what you just wrote. :wtf: are you rambling about? How is that in any way responsive to anything I posted or Dean has said?

[poskonig]

13. I'm not sure why Democrats would support Bushit.

That is an issue that transcends race.

[LuminousX]

26. Bush is better for African-American's than Dean

[Padraig18]

5. Amen!

It's the floundering campaigns that are making such an issue out of this. 99.9% of *America* could give a rat's ass about it...

[xJlM]

9. Serial prevaricator or no one, eh?

I think you need to look at some of the objections people have with Dean. It might be no big deal to the Dean Army, but I can already hear what your average American will think of the repug assault on Dean's credibility. They were searching for all they could gather on Bill Clinton from 1990 on, and all they came up with was a bj. Didn't stop the lies, though. With Dean, they won't have to do much more than a minor stretching of the truth.

[Padraig18]

10. And with JK, JL, et al...

... all * will have to say is "They voted for the IWR and Patriot Act, too, so why not vote for the REAL thing---me?".

[xJlM]

14. Exactly

And Howard Dean voted against those, didn't he? Oh no, wait a minute... he said he voted against them, but of course he was only a governor of a minor state back then. So I guess he didn't vote against them. But you can tell his heart was in the right place when he lied, though, right?

See how easy that was? And I'm just a democrat concerned with the way my party is heading. Put a paid repug operative on the job and he'll have a field day.

[Padraig18]

15. LOL!

Do you think the Mayberry Machiavelli cares which top-tier Dem * is pitted against? He will be just as nasty and vicious against whichever one it is, so don't flatter yourselves thinking JK has some sort of bullet-proof armor which will render him impervious to KR's attacks. :eyes:

[xJlM]

18. Why make it easy for them?

At least I can support Kucinich in good conscience, without feeling like a fool when his lie of the week comes out. And you have yet to see DK fight, he's been nice so far since this is only the primary coming up.

I'm not even sure I could call myself a Democrat if I supported someone who gives off so many negative vibes as Dean. I *don't want* my party to be like that. But then, I dropped my blinders off at the door when I came in...

[Padraig18]

20. You still have them on...

... if you think America will elect DK President in '04; his nomination will make McGovern's 49-state debacle look like a victory, by comparison.

[xJlM]

22. And if you think Howard Dean is headed for the White House...

I'm afraid you have a nasty surprise in store. Enjoy yourself!

[Padraig18]

23. Right now, he's headed for the nomination...

... something DK will likely never see in his lifetime.

[xJlM]

24. We haven't even had the first state primary

And I hope you get to eat those words. I fear Bush might actually win an election, strange as that may sound...

[indigo32]

16. When exactly did Howard Dean say he voted

against IWR? Thats really a new one to me.

[xJlM]

21. That and the Patriot Act

This is pretty old news. Of course, he changed his statement later. I don't have the link for it, but I've seen it posted here before. Maybe Feanorcurufinwe will happen upon this and post it again...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. In a prepared speech to the America's Future Campaign, 6/23/03

Not and off-the-cuff remark, or answering a reporter's question. A prepared speech:

"I'm the only major candidate running, who's in reasonably good shape in the polls, who voted “No” on the Iraq Resolution."
http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/dean_062303_131529.pdf

[xJlM]

29. Thank you

I didn't realise you'd see this so quickly.