Lets be a bit more helpful...Have you forgotten the 2000 Selection?

[Khephra]

Why should I forget any time I feel that I've been betrayed by members of my own party?

Forgive and forget because they are our supposed "leaders"?

So sorry, but it emotionally hurts more when a trusted person betrays your trust than when someone you know isn't looking out for you screws you.

I not getting over what many of the members of my own party have done for the last three years, just like I'm never getting over the 2000 Selection. NEVER.

[dennis4868]

1. AMEN!

Nuff said.....

[helleborient]

2. I'm over it...but getting over it...

Is not the same thing as forgetting.

I just refuse to let the negativity of the past eat away at my soul.

There is a positive way forward...just takes constant work to find it.

For me, I've found it in the Dean campaign. I encourage others to find it where works best for them.

[JohnKleeb]

3. No I have not

I remember that horrible day, December 12, 2000 along with 9/11 the most infamous day of my young life. Yes I have felt let down, I wish some could have been better and stood up to Bush. See khep, I was kind of a Dean supporter at one time I wasnt officially and this was before the days of avatar but after Gore dropped out I think he was my candiate, but then Dennis J Kucinich entered and this is a man who I agree with so much on, who I like, and who puts things in a way I like to think. I cant tell you how much I have come to appreciate this man. Hes unique yet I see qualities of my heroes. So yes I remember that sad winters day when Albert A Gore, the rightfully elected president of the United States of America said he conceived the race to George W Bush, then I knew nothing more, I lied to myself, in to believing Bush was a moderate, tis was not the case really, when I found about Ashcroft I realized what had happened. I have felt let down yet I have seen acts of courage by my party too. I still miss my kind of democratic party honestly. I am pretty sure I am ABB now, being that a dear friend of mine made a good case, and I am ready for liberation but I am also ready for progressive ideals to be abundant. I am sorry if I made this about my candiate, but this is a man who is one of those ripples of hope RFK talked about so many years ago. I am not thinking about electablity honestly I am thinking about hope and the great he has to offer us. In the time since Bush was selected, I have learned much, I have a new brother now on a personal level, many friends via DU, but I have lost much to, I lost my aunt who was my godmother, I lost an uncle to suicide, and Ive been saddened by war and may be a pacifist, I think more now. It is so sad but I have learned much. I will look back on these days with great sadness but I will know in the end I was fighting for my values, and that makes all the difference. I cant wait for liberation in 2004, I am thrilled. We shall be free of Bush shortly my comrade.

[Khephra]

4. Tis cool that you made it about your candidate

I really respect the man and I'm happy to see he's had such a positive effect on your life!

:hi:

[JohnKleeb]

8. Yeah I got his autograph too and I cherish it thanks

Its amazing really plus I kind of connect with him, I am not blue collar but I sympathize strongly with the blue collar person, plus hes a fellow Celtic Slav and lol thats kind of neat for me, I would love to have one of my own lol in the white house, its those views though that makes me support the guy, but the other stuff its neat for me.

[redqueen]

5. Cool John that was exactly the evolution I went through...

First Gore, then Dean, now Kucinich. :)

[JohnKleeb]

9. Yep

People call us Greens and aye I bet we have some of them and they are completely welcome, but I really liked Al Gore, I was sad to leave withdraw, I went to Dean because he was against the war and all I wasnt official to my memory, so I went to Kucinich big time not because of the war nesscary but that is kind of but because of something that makes Kucinich great, when I heard he spoke out on Taft-Hartley I was like this is the guy man.

[LuminousX]

6. You do raise a good point

Our 'leadership' really did roll over awfully quick.

[blm]

7. Alot of people feel that way.

Tearing DOWN the Dem party because you feel hurt is counterproductive.

How many of these new activists even noticed when the greatest subversion of the Constitution occurred during IranContra? How many of you were sending letters and phone calls of support to the Democrats who were fighting to preserve our Constitution then?

Alot of us have been angry for decades, kef. We work to change things. Working to tear down the whole Democratic party ain't the way to go, and it pisses off those of us who have seen what they have endured fighting the greater powers of the military industrial complex and the corporate elite, represented by the BFEE.

A while back I apologized to those longtime activists who were protesting actively against destructive policies back in the early Reagan-Bush years. I feel gawdawful that I didn't join them back then. I didn't get crazed enough until IranContra was in full swing. Then I wonder what if more of us had gotten pissed earlier and supported those Democrats and those activists before then. Would IranContra have happened? Would impeachment? Would election 2000 have been stolen?

[nocreativename]

10. I've created

a if the this is who we get I vote green list.

Clark
Lieberman
Kerry

[Thomas Jefferson]

11. That's why I'm voting for Dennis

He is the only candidate whose been consistently standing up against the way the Democratic Party has catered to the Republicans. Even Dean supporterd the $87 billion to continue the occupation.

[JohnKleeb]

12. You forget also he touches many other things

I found out that he had touched the School of the Americas issue, and I was pleased to hear that. He goes after some unique yet very important issues. Carry the torch Dennis to the Democratic Party of yesteryear, today, and tommorow. He is so uniquely brilliant and inspiring.

[redqueen]

13. Yeah, don't cave in just like the Dems in congress.

That's how I see a vote for a lesser of two candidates.

I know, I know, not all supporters of other candidates really like Kucinich in their hearts, but for those that do, that compromise to me is too much like the ones our Dem leaders make all the time.

So, Go Kooch!

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