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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:17 PM
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I liked Kerry but did anyone notice he stole Clark's line....
"If you want to fire assault weapons, join the military..."

That's Clark's line.

It's cool though.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:21 PM
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1. yeah,
but everyone has been stealing each others lines lately.

I forgot who said it tonight, but someone used Kucinich's Halliburton sweetheart deals.

And then Dean had "Democratic Wing of the Democratic party"
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:22 PM
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2. Yeah, well...look for them to all steal Clark's national security plan
as well. Because none of them have a clue. They're really really good at finger-pointing but none of them have created a coherent plan for it. Watch on Thursday for Clark to come up with a plan, and then everyone else rip it off.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:28 PM
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4. Kerry's Plan
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/homeland_plan.html#a1

So when bits and pieces show up in Clark's plan you'll recognize them. You might want to breeze through the other candidate's plans too. Clark isn't creating every idea all on his own, that's why you have advisor's around you and listen to them. They all do, they're all Democrats and that's why portions of their plans will always sound alike. It's looking at experience, historic record, communicative skills, personal qualities, vision and policies as a package that helps differentiate one from another.
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:35 PM
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6. I should have been more precise.
Look for them to copy Clark's exit strategy from Iraq.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:43 PM
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7. Nobody else has one?
I don't want to keep posting links, if you don't want to read them. The point is every other candidate has already released policies and plans on every issue facing us. It's not possible for them to steal anything from Clark because they wrote their plans months ago. And don't get me wrong, if I woke up tomorrow and Clark was magically President, I would literally fall to my knees weeping in joy and giving praise to whatever God made it happen. But please don't assume that nobody else has good plans, because most of them do.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:03 PM
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10. None of the candidates has an exit strategy.
Post a link if you feel otherwise; it's been debated to death here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:38 PM
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13. Depends on what one wants to hear
If a person doesn't want to understand, they won't. That's been made abundantly clear in this campaign.

"You've got to go the UN completely, not in this phony way that the President’s getting them to sign off just because of the games they play, but in a real transfers of authority to the UN for the civil development, for the governance, and for the humanitarian programs. Then it’s possible to have a broader, multination force come onto the ground, relieve the pressure from the American force, reduce the sense of American occupation and take the target off of American soldiers. Once you do both of those things, you can train the Iraqi military and police faster, and you can set a date for the transfer of full authority for Iraq back to the Iraqis. If all of that were done simultaneously, you’d have a much faster transition of authority in Iraq and you’d make the ground much safer for American forces, and you begin to reduce the number of American forces who are overcommitted and overextended, and you could bring them back to the United States much more rapidly."


1. Share the military risk and cost. Show leadership at the United Nations by leading the creation of a UN military force under U.S. Command. The U.S. Military will still be in charge, but other big nations will send troops – they've said so – to relieve our overstretched soldiers.

2. Share the cost and responsibility of reconstruction. Show that we understand real partnership by reaching out to our allies, rebuilding the good will we squandered, and asking the UN to do what it has done well from Kosovo to East Timor by putting Iraqi governance and reconstruction under UN authority. It's not necessary for the U.S. to go it alone on rebuilding Iraq's institutions and meeting humanitarian needs – and we shouldn't have to.

3. Get going to train and equip a serious Iraqi security force. Just recruiting untrained soldiers and police does not create security – in fact, it creates insecurity. Extensive training and monitoring is vital, just as they are for new officers in any city police force. And reliable Iraqi forces are the key to minimizing the risks to U.S. forces while allowing for the successful reconstruction of the country – there's no way around it. Again, we don't have to do this without help from our friends – but we do have to ask our friends for help.

4. Give a clear timetable of benchmarks for turning power back to Iraqis quickly. Like anyone else, Iraqis want to know what the future holds. Washington should tell them – with a phased transfer of responsibility as Iraqi leaders and institutions are ready for it. Those institutions may not be perfect, but Iraqis will own them – and thank America.





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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:06 PM
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11. Steph...just so you know...Clinton tapped Kerry to help him with a plan
for Iraq back in 98. It included a post-Saddam scenario.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:24 PM
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3. well
he has often talked in connection of the two issues. so it's nothing new for him.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:29 PM
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5. I heard Clark use a Kerry line too
George Bush needs to get off his high horse, or did Lieberman say that? I heard alot of line exchanging tonight. I guess that's just the way it goes.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:55 PM
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8. I Think That Means Clark Has "Arrived"
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 09:55 PM by cryingshame
When a fellow contender steals your line! :)

Or is it when you get piled on like Dean did tonight :D

Serious note: I think Clark/Kerry or Kerry/Clark would be a good ticket.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:58 PM
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9. Kerry Would Have Been Gore's Running Mate
But I think he's going for the brass ring this time. But personally I would love either of those tickets. Bush would be choking on his pretzel if he heard they teamed up!
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:07 PM
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12. Not a big deal
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 10:11 PM by quinnox
All the candidates know and borrow a good line when they see one.

What I noticed is how Clark complimented Kerry in one of his answers it was something like, "Well John is exactly right..."

I think these two seem pretty friendly to each other.

Also, Kerry hasn't attacked Clark I noticed ever since Clark first joined the race except for that one time when he did at that one debate and in the paper, which I didn't like, but since then hasn't and they seem to have come to some sort of understanding?

Anyway, I was really impressed with Clark tonight.

Also, I hate to say this, but Dean got mauled, badly.
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