"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs"

[Feanorcurufinwe]

I was really struck by this in Dean's mea culpa interview:

"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs," Dr. Dean said in the interview at The Times. "Al Sharpton was in my face last night and I was not going to step one step, half a step, backwards, and I don't care who's in my face.

"I tend to be reflective rather later than sooner," he added. "Now, unfortunately, we all know that nobody's personality is perfect. So the things that make me a strong candidate are also my Achille's heel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html?hp

You really have to wonder if you want that type of personality as President. When he is negotiating with Kim Jong II will he get in his face? Is he up for the subtleties of bargaining with China? Will two-bit dictators everywhere be able to just 'push his buttons'?

[LuminousX]

1. I wouldn't mind

[Andy_Stephenson]

2. Hmmm

I kinda like his Butch Attitude.

[ben_thayer]

11. Yeah...

And it seems to be a product of genuine passion, not the souless, programmed marketing techniques of the republibots...

[Brucey]

3. People say he has a temper.

He's right: that's good and bad. Funny how he stresses the need for patience in his speeches, then admits he doesn't have any. But he's also right that no one is perfect. Compared to the other candidates, he's probably the best. Kerry, Clark, Edwards... who knows which one can beat chimpy. I wish we did know. Life would be a lot more fun.

[DemBones DemBones]

30. One picture is worth a thousand words about Dean's pugnacity.

[helleborient]

35. I think Carol Moseley Braun's laughter might tell a lot about this photo..

If she thought Howard Dean was being vicious or mean...would she be laughing?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

49. Don't look at the two subjects of the photo folks

the important stuff is in the background :eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

97. Carol Moseley Braun is laughing behind Dean's back, perhaps

because she knows how much Al Sharpton enjoys having another man grab his shirt and point his finger at him.

Or perhaps Joe Lieberman (just out of camera range) just pinched her and she's trying not to laugh in his face.

Or perhaps she's just smiling. She's a very pleasant person who smiles and laughs most of the time.

To me (and I'm admittedly an old high school teacher), Braun's smile looks a bit nervous, as if she's wondering if Sharpton will knock Dean's block off if Dean gets one inch closer to him. If this were a real high school event, a ring of onlookers would have gathered and started yelling, "Fight! Fight!" It's not something I've ever seen before at a presidential debate.

[polpilot]

40. Looks as if Al may have said, 'Dean , you remind me of Kerry.' Dean's

response: 'Gloves off, out back Al, now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dean '04...Rebel with a Cause!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[NWHarkness]

4. God forbid we should find a Democrat who fights back.

[killbotfactory]

5. I'd like to see him get in Tom Delay's face

That would be satisfying.

[Fenris]

8. I don't particularly like Dean, but if he did that, I'd become a supporter

REAL fast. My goal in life is to knock Tom Delay's teeth out.

(I said I don't particularly like Dean, but that apathy extends to the other candidates as well)

[Scott Lee]

13. I'd like to see him PUNCH Tom Delay's face

That would be a framable pic.

[Fenris]

6. Just displaying a common human tendancy

When confronted, an awful lot of people would react in the same way. As to your question of wanting that type of person in the highest office, I will play the pragmatist and say that it's a double-edged sword. He appears tough to one half, and belligerent to the other. Take your pick. And keep in mind, with work, he could tone down this style if it is perceived as a problem.

[mbali]

7. Sounds awfully familiar

let's see . . . I've got it!

Sounds like the current White House resident.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Wrong. Dean can make himself understood very clearly...

...and usually speaks without notes. Clinton had a temper, too, and he also worked without notes. If Dean is anywhere close to Clinton and wins the nomination, I'll be happy to vote for him.

The Squatter-in-Chief is lucky to be able to read his speeches correctly on his most lucid days.

[Rose Siding]

15. Is this familiar too?

If this reminds you of Bush, you know him better than I do-

snip>
Even an hour before his Cooper Union appearance, Dr. Dean said he was unsure how or when he would address the flag issue. In addition to President Carter, Dr. Dean consulted yesterday with the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, as well as several African-American labor leaders and elected officials.

Behind stage moments before noon, aides said, Dr. Dean scribbled down remarks on race, saying his gut told him to go ahead.

"You can blame the media or blame my opponents, but the fact is, I've got to own my own words," Dr. Dean explained yesterday evening in Manchester. "And that's what I decided at about 3 o'clock this morning."

[Larkspur]

60. Dean showed good character handling this controversy

Apologizing during the heat of the debate to his opponents, who are jealous of his success, was not appropriate. He would most likely have stumbled for the right words while they continued to attack him. His opponents would not have listened to his apology during that time anyway. They, specifically Kerry and Edwards, were looking for ways to pop his momentum, not search for truth.

Apologizing after consulting with the wise elders of his party with who he respects, i.e. Jimmy Carter, Rev Jackson, and other African American leaders, and writing his own words of apology from his heart after reflection shows the true character of Howard Dean, and that character is one of a good and courageous man, who is humble enough to admit he's wrong and say words of healing.

[blm]

77. Baloney. His first inclination was to LIE.

He said he was trying to discuss racial issues, when he was really talking about his longtime support for the NRA.

Not that dean's lies will change your support for him.
 
http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/22649906.html
Kerry criticizes Dean's gun views
By THOMAS BEAUMONT
Register Staff Writer
11/01/2003
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, said Dean's opposition to an assault weapons ban in 1992, recorded in a National Rifle Association endorsement questionnaire, contradicts his position as a presidential candidate supporting a federal assault weapons ban.
Kerry supported the 1994 bill that outlawed the sale and ownership of assault weapons, which Dean says he now supports.
"Howard Dean, during the time we were trying to pass it, was appealing to the NRA for their support," Kerry said, while visiting a rural Story County farm.
"We don't need to be a party that says we need to be the candidacy of the NRA. We stand up against that."
Dean has said 2000 Democratic nominee Al Gore lost the election because he failed to win Southern states, where disaffected Democrats who favor gun owners' rights were reluctant to support him.
"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks," Dean said Friday in a telephone interview from New Hampshire. "We can't beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats."
Dean said he answered the questionnaire while running for re-election as governor of Vermont. He has said he was never asked to sign a gun control bill during his Vermont tenure.
>>>>>>>

[Larkspur]

99. I see the "Daffy Duck" mentality infects the Kerry-ites

Daffy Duck, who was jealous of Bugs Bunny, in Warner Bros. cartoon always tried to unseat Bugs as the star of the show, but his undermining tricks always failed. Failure will be true of Kerry and the other Dem contenders, who are more concerned about themselves and derailing Dean's juggernaut campaign than about leading this nation forward and resolving the emotional conflicts around hate issues, whether that be racism, sexism, homophobia, and ethnic divisions.

Dean is concerned about the health of this nation and has a vision of a brighter future for ALL of us. Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman, Edwards, Kucinich, and Sharpton have blinders on and their narcissism will be there downfall. Braun is the only non-contender candidate who also sees a bigger picture, but she doesn't have the leadership ability to carry it forward.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

100. Cartoon mentality? We have to live in the real world.

Dean's 'juggernaut' campaign rolls right over the truth in it's quest for power.

You offer nothing but the an appeal to hop on the bandwagon and insults for the other candidates and their supporters.

You cite a 'narcissism' and 'lack of leadership' -- and actually talk as if Dean's missteps have helped to resolve conflicts instead of exacerbate them.

"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs," Dr. Dean said in the interview at The Times. "Al Sharpton was in my face last night and I was not going to step one step, half a step, backwards, and I don't care who's in my face.

"I tend to be reflective rather later than sooner," he added. "Now, unfortunately, we all know that nobody's personality is perfect. So the things that make me a strong candidate are also my Achille's heel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html?hp


Kurt Schmoke, the dean of Howard University law school, who attended Yale with Dr. Dean and advises him on urban and minority concerns, said that "it's not fatal" but that he hopes his candidate has learned from this to watch his words, particularly as he climbs in the polls.

"What concerned me was his staff up in Vermont reacted by saying, `Well, he said this before, these guys took him out of context,' " said Mr. Schmoke, the former mayor of Baltimore. "That was the wrong response. The right response was what he finally ended up with today — wait a minute folks, my heart is in the right place but I chose the wrong words."

<snip>

"You can blame the media or blame my opponents, but the fact is, I've got to own my own words," Dr. Dean explained yesterday evening in Manchester. "And that's what I decided at about 3 o'clock this morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html?pagewanted=2&hp

It tooks days for Dean's sense of political expediency to overcome his anger. That's the opposite of leadership.

[Larkspur]

104. No, it didn't take days, he thought about it during the wee hours in the

morning after the debate. He thought about what the others said and consulted with the Party elders he could trust -- Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, and other African American supporters of his campaign.

You can whine all you want, but Dean is a leader.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

106. He made the flag comment on the 31st. He apologized on the 5th.

:eyes:

[Chomskyite]

9. We NEED it

If Bush would go on record standing up to Rumsfeld, to Cheney, to Wolfowitz and think for himself ONCE, I'd have a heart attack and die on the spot.

IF he fired ONE of them, I'd need to check into the ER to get some nitro quickly.

[unfrigginreal]

10. A little present day Truman is just what we need

"Some day I hope to meet you," Truman wrote to the critic. "When that happens you'll need a new nose."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

16. Interesting that you mention Truman in this context.

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[JohnKleeb]

20. I like Truman but many here consider his dropping of the A-Bomb a mistake

Truman is one of my heroes as well, not really for his temper but for more his issues, the fair deal and the like, now I loved how he fought the GOP, my quote "those fuckers" is me acting out my inner Truman. Plus what HST said to a relative of mine who lost her brother in the great war, it always brings a tear to my eye.

[dsc]

21. Truman's dropping of the a bomb

whatever the merits of the case was not done in a hurried pique of anger. It was debated for several months and decided upon as the best of bad options.

[JohnKleeb]

23. Yes its a bad simlie

Honestly domestic issues wise I would love to have a Harry S Truman right now, but lol with some of his views he may be unelectable.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

25. Well, I didn't mean it that way

but just as a grim reminder of the awesome and terrible power that the President yields.

[JohnKleeb]

26. Yes it is

Thanks for clearing that up, the president does have amazing power you are right.

[helleborient]

36. Do you know a Democratic president who made no mistakes?

Just curious.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. And who do we have CURRENTLY dealing with foreign heads-of-state?...

Think about it.

[blm]

50. A "shoot from the lip, no nuanced straight talker" or so they say.

Does that sound familiar?

[Nazgul35]

17. Please....

by the time world leaders show up for the negotiations it's nothing more than a photo op! Most negotiations that matter take place at lower levels....so who the leader choses matters, and we know how well Bush used his selection process....

[Feanorcurufinwe]

22. Yeah, what was I thinking?

The President doesn't really have to deal with those pesky details -- Dean'll have staff for that.

[JohnKleeb]

24. good photos

Sigh I always get wet eyed when I see FDR for some reason.

[Octafish]

27. Ya mean like this?

Makes me wet-eyed, too — for a different reason.

[JohnKleeb]

28. No way Octa

That makes me think :puke: may what I a big loser we have. BTW can you imagine Bush like trying to negotiate with the leaders of the past?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

29. Dress a monkey up and he's still a monkey.

[deutsey]

37. LOL

Very funny (and yet so terribly sad), Octafish! :evilgrin:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

31. Here is another great Democratic President

Things did not go well in Vienna. And they would get worse.

[JohnKleeb]

32. yep, thanks

[Nazgul35]

33. hey...isn't FDR and Kennedy

a couple of rich privledged northerners who know nothing about the south....or foreign policy before they became presidents!!!

And anyone who thinks these guys just were winging it at such a high level are being extremely foolish.....months, even years of negotiations went on before these meetings took place....but if it makes you feel good to have a daddy candidate who goes out and does it all by himself.....ok....

[helleborient]

34. The photo you posted of FDR is from Yalta...

A situation where most historians think FDR failed because he was very ill.

I wish he was more in-your-face at Yalta...some things about history may have been different.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

58. You can attack FDR if you want, but Dean is no FDR

[JohnKleeb]

68. None of these guys are FDR

:D

[DrFunkenstein]

18. Commander-in-Chief And Chief Diplomat Are 2 of 3 Jobs Of A President

I'm convinced he's the best man for the job. Hopefully, he'll get a real crackerjack staff to explain what all those foreign policy dossiers on his desk mean.

[helleborient]

38. Jimmy Carter had 0 foreign policy experience prior to being elected...

He won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts with other nations.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

45. Is he someone who tends to get in people's face?

:eyes:

[helleborient]

46. Was Wilson, FDR, Truman or Kennedy?

Woodrow Wilson -

Foreign policy experience - zippo!

Pugnacious and willful - yes! Fought the good fight for the League Of Nations against Republicans and a good number of old-line Democrats

Past governing experience - University president and governor

Nobel Peace Prize - yes!

Hero's welcome across Europe

[Feanorcurufinwe]

48. No.

[helleborient]

52. You're rewriting history...

FDR stared down the Supreme Court and threatened to pack it to get his way on the New Deal. Many scholars agree the threat was fundamentally unconstitutional and "in their face" The Supreme Court backed down and we got the unfettered New Deal package.

Woodrow Wilson was stubborn as hell about the League of Nations. Colleagues predicted political suicide, which in a sense it was, but it began a long history of European goodwill toward our country.

JFK stared down Nikita Khruschev with demanding "in your face" language and threats. It worked.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

54. Anger and courage are two different things.

"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs," Dr. Dean said in the interview at The Times. "Al Sharpton was in my face last night and I was not going to step one step, half a step, backwards, and I don't care who's in my face.

"I tend to be reflective rather later than sooner," he added. "Now, unfortunately, we all know that nobody's personality is perfect. So the things that make me a strong candidate are also my Achille's heel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html?hp

[helleborient]

56. Howard Dean...a profile in both anger and courage...

Courage to believe you can actually rewrite the history of presidential campaigns and re-invigorate your political party to be the true majority party of our nation...even when you are starting with virtually nothing...poll numbers below 1%...little to no money.

Courage that the grassroots of politics in this country can really work and win!

Anger at the current administration and the sad state of so many things in our country and around the world as the wind at your back.

Thanks for reminding us all that they are not the same, but in my humble opinion Howard Dean has both!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

57. A profile in anger

Wow. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[DrFunkenstein]

107. Khruschev Banged His Shoe On The Table

"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs," Dr. Dean said in the interview at The Times. "Al Sharpton was in my face last night and I was not going to step one step, half a step, backwards, and I don't care who's in my face.

"I tend to be reflective rather later than sooner," he added. "Now, unfortunately, we all know that nobody's personality is perfect. So the things that make me a strong candidate are also my Achille's heel."

Is Dean a shoe-banger?

[no name no slogan]

84. But

Woodrow Wilson also turned a peace-loving nation who didn't get itself involved in Europe's affairs into a fire-breathing, bloodthirsty warmongering dragon who caused a lot of misery and death in the 20th century, post-WWI.

It was Wilson's people who invented modern propaganda as we know it, and started the US on its imperialistic, expansionist foreign policy-- the effects of which we're living with today in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere.

Don't be mistaken, Wilson did quite a bit of good in his time, but his policies led directly to WWII, the Cold War, to our current predicaments in the middle east and elsewhere.

If Wilson and his propaganda campaign hadn't done such a good job of turning the country militaristic in the 1910s, the 20th century would have shaped up very very differently.

[Meshuga]

91. Dean is no FDR, Wilson, Truman or Kennedy...

The fallacy here is that just because some of these man had no Foreign policy experience before becoming president doesn't mean that Dean will succeed.

I hope Dean's lack of foreign policy will not be a problem but Dean's face the nation appearance made me a little nervous...

[democratreformed]

39. You make

a good point, feanorcurufinwe. I believe that in diplomacy and the quest for peace, ego can not be allowed to get in the way.

Perhaps Dr. Dean, if dealing with a situation as you have described will have a goal in mind that will guide his actions on a different path and help him do the right thing. I certainly hope so.

[helleborient]

43. I would love a President without the touch of egomania in him or her...

But I'm not confident someone without that would really run for President.

Which candidate for the Democratic nomination does not have a healthy ego streak or a temper? I think most of them have both. I can even come up with examples for most all of them.

Certainly there is plenty of evidence that all Democratic presidents at least back to Wilson did.

[KittyWampus]

41. YIELDING Is True Strength. Dean Has EGO Problems

As Someone Who Practises Martial Arts-

I can categorically say that YIELDING is TRUE strength.

In Martial Arts, you YIELD and then turn the attackers incoming energy back upon him.

One of the first lessons you learn is to control your EMOTIONS and your EGO.

You give way temporarily in order to throw your opponent off balance and to gain the upper hand.

At this point, I have NO CONFIDENCE in a Dean candidacy.

[helleborient]

44. Help me to find the candidate who fits your standard...

Which candidate is really yielding and not impacted by emotion and ego?

[KittyWampus]

61. Question Isn't Being Impacted By Emotion & Ego

Because everyone is... but anyone who wants to be on a national playing field needs to be able to see the Big Picture and keep their balance.

Dean's actions and comments in this situation are dramatically illustrating someone who is not in control of their emotions and who is unable to put his Ego aside temporarily to gain a greater advantage later on.

Suppose Dean had simply given a heartfelt apology at the very beginning for causing distress and THEN launched into a spiel about moving beyond wedge politics? He would have been WAY ahead with out the headaches.

[9119495]

42. Your guy Kerry reflects later

He voted for the war, then later decided it wasn't a good idea. I actually buy his position on that...but you can't hold Dean to one standard and Kerry to another.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

47. Your guy Dean lies later

He didn't vote on the resolution, then decided later he needed to lie in a prepared speech about it in order to win votes:

"I'm the only major candidate running, who's in reasonably good shape in the polls, who voted “No” on the Iraq Resolution."
http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/dean_062303_131529.pdf

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[9119495]

65. No Kerry lies. His pants are on fire.

I keep getting deleted so I'm sticking with that comment about the candidate and providing no explantion. I'll avoid trouble.

[Upfront]

53. Dean Suffers fools Poorly

Sharpton was in his face, and I don't want someone as President who would let that stuff slide. Edwards should have been knocked on his pretty ass, but thats me and I am not running. Dean is a man and no man is going to take that kind of bull shit with smile on his face. He has nothing to apologize for. Go Dean!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

55. So as long as he never has to face a fool with nuclear weapons we're OK?

[GreenArrow]

90. Another manly man's man who takes no shit

[blm]

59. When people get in his face, he LIES about his reasons.

Switching from his NRA support to an effort to "discuss race relations."

 
http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/22649906.html
Kerry criticizes Dean's gun views
By THOMAS BEAUMONT
Register Staff Writer
11/01/2003
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, said Dean's opposition to an assault weapons ban in 1992, recorded in a National Rifle Association endorsement questionnaire, contradicts his position as a presidential candidate supporting a federal assault weapons ban.

Kerry supported the 1994 bill that outlawed the sale and ownership of assault weapons, which Dean says he now supports.

"Howard Dean, during the time we were trying to pass it, was appealing to the NRA for their support," Kerry said, while visiting a rural Story County farm.
"We don't need to be a party that says we need to be the candidacy of the NRA. We stand up against that."

Dean has said 2000 Democratic nominee Al Gore lost the election because he failed to win Southern states, where disaffected Democrats who favor gun owners' rights were reluctant to support him.

"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks," Dean said Friday in a telephone interview from New Hampshire. "We can't beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats."

Dean said he answered the questionnaire while running for re-election as governor of Vermont. He has said he was never asked to sign a gun control bill during his Vermont tenure.
>>>>>>>

[mzmolly]

62. Somehow I doubt Kim Jong will get in 'his face'

Dean is right, his strengths are his weaknesses. That's often true of 'human beings'...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

63. You're probably right. We can trust Kim Jong Il to do the right thing.

Evil, Yes. Genius, No.

[mzmolly]

66. Well, we can trust Dean to as well, his 'getting in Bush's face' was just

what we needed. I look forward to hearing more from the 'feisty little bastard' I support for President.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

67. Do we want

'in his face':



or 'in his face':




That's the question.

[helleborient]

69. So why did you edit this photo?

The second photo with Al Sharpton was posted earlier, I believe by you, with Carol Mosley Braun laughing in the background. A strong suggestion there was some mirth to this exchange with Al Sharpton. Carol has now been edited out.

Deception by you?

And you have the gall to call Dr. Dean a liar??

[helleborient]

70. The original unedited photo is post #30

It is kind of appalling that DU posters would seek to deceive us all with edited photos.

[9119495]

71. Yeah but you're probably going to get deleted now.

Something fishy is going on here.

[helleborient]

72. I doubt it...

If I do, I guess I'll leave in a huff again.

I reported it to the mods...and they suggested that I point out in the thread what had happened and make it clear what was going on.

This is what I've done.

I'm still flabbergasted that DU members would seek to deceive each other in this way.

[Meshuga]

93. There is no deception by any DU member

I actually saw this "edited" photo on Yahoo news earlier today. I remember thinking to myself "what did I miss when watching the debates?" :-) "Did Dean grab Sharpton by the neck?"

Dean wouldn't dare getting to Sharpton's face like that and Sharpton would have a different expression if that was really happening. :-)

It looks fake and it will only fool the average person who is not following the campaign. DOn't get mad at your fellow DU'er. Get mad at the media! :-)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

73. What is your point? Where is the deception?

Here is an example of deception:

Dean: "I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party."

Here is an example of truth:

Wellstone: "I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

74. Who are you going to believe, helleborient or your lying eyes?

So, CMB is laughing in the background of the picture. So what? What is she laughing at? Perhaps she's laughing at Dean making an idiot of himself. Maybe someone told her something funny. So she's laughing -- look at Sharpton -- he is the one being yelled at by Dean -- is he laughing?

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

79. This is a picture of Dean getting in Sharpton's face.

You want to make this a picture about CMB laughing.

But she isn't the subject of the photo, is she?

Do we know what she's laughing about? No.

Does it matter? I guess to you, it does.

:eyes:

[helleborient]

80. I"m talking about your post....

This is not about Dr. Dean, Carol Moseley Braun or Al Sharpton.

It's about a DU member using doctored photos to deceive other DU members.

Shameful.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

81. I'm talking about Dean

"When people get in my face, I tend to get in theirs," Dr. Dean said in the interview at The Times. "Al Sharpton was in my face last night and I was not going to step one step, half a step, backwards, and I don't care who's in my face.

"I tend to be reflective rather later than sooner," he added. "Now, unfortunately, we all know that nobody's personality is perfect. So the things that make me a strong candidate are also my Achille's heel."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html?hp

He is NOT the right person to negotiate with this man:



any more than he is the right person to have a constructive dialogue about race with this man:

[helleborient]

82. No need to respond to you anymore...

You blew any credibility with me and showed your total mistrust of other DU'ers.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

83. "You can blame the media or blame my opponents, but "

Kurt Schmoke, the dean of Howard University law school, who attended Yale with Dr. Dean and advises him on urban and minority concerns, said that "it's not fatal" but that he hopes his candidate has learned from this to watch his words, particularly as he climbs in the polls.

"What concerned me was his staff up in Vermont reacted by saying, `Well, he said this before, these guys took him out of context,' " said Mr. Schmoke, the former mayor of Baltimore. "That was the wrong response. The right response was what he finally ended up with today — wait a minute folks, my heart is in the right place but I chose the wrong words."

<snip>

"You can blame the media or blame my opponents, but the fact is, I've got to own my own words," Dr. Dean explained yesterday evening in Manchester. "And that's what I decided at about 3 o'clock this morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/campaigns/06DEAN.html?pagewanted=2&hp

Days later, at 3 in the morning, Dean's anger finally cooled down enough to face the political reality that he'd screwed up.


Sharpton receives another lecture from Dean about race:


Sharpton does look like he thinks he has a lot to learn from Dean, doesn't he?

[_NorCal_D_]

86. LOL, Sharpton looks like

he is enjoying himself.
B-)

[DemBones DemBones]

92. Did you crop this photo, too? How do we know Carol Moseley

Braun isn't laughing behind Dean's back? :evilgrin:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

94. LOL

[Meshuga]

95. Finally some dirty on CMB!

She is actually instigating the fight in this picture! :-)

[peaceandjustice]

98. after Freddie's Fashion Mart and Tawana Brawley

is constructive dialogue with Al Sharpton possible?

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

85. n/t

n/t - defense no longer necessary

[genius]

75. He's worse than Bush

And he has received money from Halliburton. If he gets in, how many more billions of war profits will go to Halliburton?

[indigo32]

87. He has received money from Halliburton

thats a new one. Care to cite it?

[LuminousX]

88. 1 guy from Halliburton, not the company

[LuminousX]

89. He isn't worse than Bush

He may be worse than the current 8 other candidates, but he isn't worse than Bush. In fact, I think you would have to get pretty low in the barrel of the party before you find someone like that. Even Zell Miller is better than Bush.

[Meshuga]

96. Agreed. Anyway...

Why do you have every candidate crossed out in your signature?

[LuminousX]

101. As of the time you posted this question

I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of them. Now in reflection, I realized I needed to truly reevaluate and now have a different system which will allow me to guide my decision on a daily basis. By next week I think I'll have a complex spreadsheet developed to tack micromovements in my support. But sharing that would betray my obsessive behavior to too many people.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

102. But what about the untold number of people

breathlessly awaiting word of who you will endorse?

Isn't it unfair to leave them in such suspense?

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

105. You might want to review

the rules and the What is a Personal Attack? page.

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