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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:46 PM
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Zogby - Dean leads Nationally AND in the South
Dean has a slight edge in the East and South. In the West, Clark enjoys 22% compared to Dean's 17%. In the East, Dean (18%) is followed by Lieberman (15%) and Gephardt (11%), and Kerry trails with just 8%. Dean is the leader in the South with 13%, followed by an 8% tie of Edwards, Lieberman, and Sharpton. Gephardt has a slight lead on Dean in the Central-Great Lakes area, 16% - 15%.

Not sure 34 (43)
Dean 15 (12)
Clark 10 (12)
Gephardt 9 (6)
Lieberman 9 (7)
Kerry 7 (7)
Other 6 (3)
Sharpton 4 (4)
Edwards 3 (2)
Kucinich 2 (1)
Moseley Braun 2 (4)

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=755
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:49 PM
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1. Wow...sounds like some good connection with Southerners...
Even though detractors would claim otherwise.

Go Dean!!!
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duvinnie Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:19 PM
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10. yea!
What amazes me is that here is this guy who is building incredible momentum
and grass-root support, and there are some dems (ok many) who just refuse
to see anything positive here. Another 4 years of * may destroy our society
and bring on armageddon, and we may be left like postwar germany or worse,
but all they can think of is how Dean is slightly to the left (or right) of their
own position. Time for some self-reflections I say.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:50 PM
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2. Hey, we all know those polls are sckewed and ...
oh wait. That's only when dean's not in the lead.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:54 PM
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3. Actually, the best way to know how accurate a poll is...
if the poll shows Dean leading then we know it was properly conducted. If it doesn't show Dean leading then it obviously had some procedural flaw that skewed the results.

See how simple that is?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:13 PM
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9. Can you please provide evidence
to where a vast number of Dean supporters questioned a poll where Dean wasn't in the lead? Or even where a vast number of Dean supporters said a poll was 100% accurate?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:59 PM
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12. "Total fucking silence."
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:18 PM
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6. Oh really?
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 02:19 PM by VermontDem2004
I didn't know that, thanks for telling me, so I guess Dean IS leading in the west and great lakes area because the poll shows otherwise?
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:12 PM
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4. Lieberman on the rise?
I'll believe that Dean leads the South when he leads SC.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:17 PM
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5. SC is not the only southern state
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:27 PM
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7. True enough...
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 02:28 PM by SahaleArm
but it's the only southern state that's got significant campaign exposure. The NH, Iowa, and SC polls offer a better view than a national poll where everyone is within the MOE (+/-4.2%). Lieberman is within the MOE of taking the lead.
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 02:59 AM
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13. This is what I am scared of
All the infight with Dean--Kerry-Edwards and Gephardt...and Lieberman comes in as the white knight for the Democratic party to save it for implosion!!!!!


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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:33 PM
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8. This result kinda surprised me:
"Dean’s appeal seems to miss those under 30 years of age."

He's only polling at 4%.

That really caught me off guard. I was kinda under the impression Dean was energizing the 20somethings.

But what do I know? I'm an old man at 31 and out of touch with the kids :)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:24 PM
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11. I was under the impression that was who he was real popular with
No offense. I heard the same thing and I am 16.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:22 AM
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17. Those are only a portion of the folks at our Meetups...
Their are a lot of people my age (37) and older. Union people, former Republicans, teachers, a couple of unemployed people. My town has two universities with over 20,000 students in a community of 100,000 - and our Meetup and mailing list is about half students, the rest are older.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 05:18 AM
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15. Strange demographics on this one
Clark scores well with the under-30s and the over-65s:

~snip~

Dean’s appeal seems to miss those under 30 years of age, who give 16% each to Sharpton and Clark, compared to Dean and Edwards at 4% each. Those ages 30-49 like Dean best (16%), with Kerry and Lieberman tied at 11%.

Likely Democratic primary voters ages 50-64 favor Dean (18%), Gephardt (12%) and Clark (11%), while Seniors (ages 65+) are divided in their support of Clark and Dean at 14% each, followed by Gephardt and Lieberman at 12%.

~ snip ~





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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:23 AM
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18. That matches who comes out for Meetup (n/t)
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:03 AM
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14. Hmmm with Latino/Latina and Afro-Americans..Dean is losing the
MINORITY VOTE HMMM


NOT GOOD AT ALL


The flag statement might be making Dean look very :silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:

and Sharpton and Clark looking for the
:party::party::party::party::party::party::party::party::party::party:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 09:07 AM
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16. Name recognition by the media right now is driving the results now.
Look at the not sure numbers.
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