Kerry getting desperate using the gun issue on Dean AGAIN!

[funkyflathead]

Can he not attack Dean on something else?? This is getting obnoxious.



"Dean 'flim-flam' on guns, Kerry says "

http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/state2003/kerry_on_crime_2003.shtml

[tsipple]

1. Not Clear How This Will Cut

Well over a quarter of New Hampshire households own guns, and New Hampshire is a low crime state.

Perhaps Kerry has polling on this question.

[pruner]

2. he's seen polls which show that…

115% of New Hampshire residents prefer his position on guns to Dean's.

:crazy:

[tsipple]

3. (Chuckle.)

In all seriousness, as far as I can tell Dean's position on guns and Kerry's position on guns is pretty darn close, but Kerry is upset that he didn't get that "A" rating from the NRA. :-)

[DrFunkenstein]

9. There Are A Few Minor Distinctions Between Their Gun Platforms

The kicker for me is Dean's approach to state's rights on future gun laws (like his non-stance on the confederate flag in SC). Considering the strong possibility of a Supreme Court appointment, this is troubling.

The real issue, however, is deeper. It involves character and trust. If Dean is so willing to radically change positions, to what extent is he speaking from conviction. And if we can't trust him to speak his true convictions (I know - he's a "straight shooter"), why should we vote for a panderer?

[funkyflathead]

4. You mean the furry residents of New Hampshire don't you?

Like Smoky Bear and Bambi?

Surely they favor banning guns.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

21. LOL

Hysterical! :bounce:

[Lefty48197]

5. Are NRA members ridiculing Kerry to try and shut him up?

It's an old tactic. An old old tired tactic. I'm surprised that some choose to use it over and over and over...

[blm]

7. good eye...ridicule is also a standard staple for the GOP.

Not surprising some campaigns have adopted ridicule towards the REAL Democratic candidates.

[pruner]

8. what do you mean by "REAL Democratic candidates"?

:shrug:

[LuminousX]

23. You know what she means...

quiet ridicule... even though Dean has been a loyal stalwart of the Vermont Democratic party

[polpilot]

25. She means Kerry, a Bush supporter of the Iraqi Bombing Resoultion,

who sold out the young men of the armed forces by placing them in harm's way for his political ambitions. I'm certain that's who she is referring to.

Dean '04...America's Leader...He's REAL

[Monte Carlo]

6. Is any of this back and forth exchange of insults helping?

Is it really?

[paulk]

10. It's clear that Dean's position on gun control when he was governor

and his position now that he is running for president differ. It's Kerry's job to point that out. It's Dean's job to explain that discrepency. It's the voters job to choose between the two. Or choose someone else.

There's nothing obnoxious about it.

[Demobrat]

11. Dean campaign's response.

I'd say it was about right.

"It's disappointing that Senator Kerry feels the need to resort to this type of indiscriminate kitchen-sink attack on Governor Dean," said Dorie Clark, Dean's New Hampshire spokeswoman. "Voters in New Hampshire know when someone is making a politically motivated attack, and it usually backfires."

[blm]

12. Did Dean address where Kerry was wrong about his policy?

.

[paulk]

14. I'd say that Dean's spokeswoman got it wrong

Instead of responding to the substance of Kerry's criticism, she attacks Kerry. It reminds me of the tactics of some of the Dean supporters around here.

[KaraokeKarlton]

13. YES!!! C'mon Kerry, keep on talking about gun control in NH!

This is GREAT for the Dean campaign. NH hunters aren't too fond of people in Massachussetts who think they know better about guns than people in NH. Mass hunters come to NH to hunt and usually at least one of them each year shoots someone's dog. Kerry so obviously doesn't understand NH voters at all. If I didn't know better I'd say he wants to lose NH.

:eyes:

[paulk]

15. you could be wrong...

"The poll of 555 New Hampshire adults found that residents in the state overwhelmingly support tighter gun laws. In particular, 91 percent of those surveyed supported updating New Hampshire's background-check laws to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill."


http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/summaries/reader/0,2061,548753,00.html

Read the whole article, it's kind of interesting.

[KaraokeKarlton]

19. I'm not wrong, I am in NH every day

I live right along the border. My news has full coverage of both NH and Vermont. I have relatives who live on the other side of the river. I work in NH. At least half of my friends and social circle lives in NH. I KNOW the state just as well as I know Vermont. Gun rights are the second most important issue in NH, right behind making any sacrifice to avoid state income taxes and sales taxes. The state motto is "Live Free Or Die", and it applies to state taxes and gun rights. NH Democrats know better than to even mention gun control in campaigns. They avoid the issues as much as they can. Kerry has made a HUGE mistake and either someone in his campaign is sabotaging him and giving him shitty advice or they are just plain stupid and lazy. It doesn't really matter because the end result will be the same...Kerry is done in the NH primary. He'll never win it and he probably won't even come in among the top three now. His campaign is essentially over after this MAJOR screw up.

[BushGone04]

16. Right

Clearly any candidate who repeatedly criticizes another on one particular issue is desparate. It seems remarkably self-evident to me that the repeated use of a candidate's stance on one issue to attack that candidate is a sign of desperation. Fortunately for anti-Kerry folks, Kerry is just as obviously the only candidate who ever does so, ever.

It's also, as you point out, obnoxious. Damn that Kerry.

[Meshuga]

17. Like it's not obnoxious to keep using the IWR card

Dean loves to use the same issue over and over... But he is not obnoxious at all! :-)

[BushGone04]

18. Yes

That was the point I was trying to get across- props to you for getting it. :)

[eileen_d]

20. Heh

:yourock:

[sandnsea]

22. If you're not Dean, you should shut up

Just so everybody knows the rules.

[LuminousX]

24. Yeah right. I've never seen anyone say that

See the rather positive thread about Dean supporters switching over to Kucinich?