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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:23 AM
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Dennis Kucinich: Rolling Stone Interview
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 10:42 AM by LuminousX
Rolling Stone Interview of Dennis Kucinich

I happened to have gotten a free copy of Rolling Stone the other day, a magazine I don't normally read and read the interview with Dennis. For the most part it was standard stuff but the last question and answer intrigued me. It isn't enough for me to change my voting status of him, but it was possibly the most perfect answer he could have given - it was what I most legitimately would like to have heard from a candidate in Kucinich's position.

DK are proud of their candidate and with good reason.

Why are you so confident that you can win?

I have experience in looking at situations that everyone says are impossible, and reaching in and finding that other possibility of drawing it forth. You know, in quantum physics there are some who write about what's called the "implicant order." It's something that's just, you know, beyond your vision, but it's there. And what I try to do is draw forth that order that is there. And when that happens, people say, "Oh, that's a miracle." No, it was always there -- it was just waiting to be called forth. And so I think I can do that with this nation.


on edit: fixed spelling problems

Our quest for oil darkens the heart of this nation. - Dennis Kucinich
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:35 AM
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1. Excellent quote...and Bill Clinton was the candidate...
Rolling Stone was following in the fall of 1991.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:46 AM
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2. It's a good interview.
So was the one with Wes Clark. I presume RS is running interviews with all the candidates over the next few months.
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peaceandjustice Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 08:15 AM
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13. Rolling Stone was given coverage this year
to Wesley Clark and Al Sharpton...both of whom merited mention on the cover, while Kucinich did not. They may have commented on other candidates as well, if they did I missed it.

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peaceandjustice Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 08:16 AM
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14. "was" should be "has" (n/t)
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 10:57 AM
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3. Thanks so much!
I find it funny that a Catholic keeps talking about goddesses and unseen power that can be called forth.

I think this man is definitely in tune with the cosmos.
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celtway Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 11:35 AM
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4. Dennis Kucinich and David Bohm
Edited on Mon Nov-10-03 11:37 AM by celtway
Yes, I was struck by Dennis' reference to the "implicate order" also, which reveals, once again, the depth and intelligence of this man. He is referring to the work of famous physicist, David Bohm. In my opinion, DK is head and shoulders above all the other candidates without exception. Will America support a true thinker and visionary, the only one offering real hope and genuine change? Or will we be forever fooled by empty soundbites, stale rhetoric and media manipulation--unwittingly (or not?) participating the death of our democracy?

It’s time.
Time for America to resume its glorious journey.
Time to reject shrinking jobs and wages,
disappearing savings and rights.
Time to reject the detour towards fear and greed.
Time to look out upon the world for friends,
not enemies.

It’s time to counter the control of corporations
over our politics, our economy, our resources,
and mass media.
Time for those who have much
to help those who have little,
by maintaining a progressive tax structure.
Time to tell the world that we
wish to be their partner in peace,
not their leader in war.

Most of all, it is time for America to
again be the land where dreams come true,
because the government is on the side of the people.

-- Dennis Kucinich
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 03:29 PM
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5. I agree.
It's interesting to listen to Dennis speak at length about anything. He is likely to pull out quotes and references to an incredibly wide range of literature, philosophers, studies, etc., and enjoys discussing what he has read and studied. I've heard him do this several times now, and it surprises me every time; it's just not the kind of discussion you expect to have with a politician.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 05:35 PM
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6. He's one of the few candidates who needs endnotes for his speeches
The depth and breadth of his knowledge is quite amazing. I'm currently reading "A Prayer for America" right now, and it's really astounding how he can draw references and anologies from even the most obscure of sources. Even more amazing is that he writes them all HIMSELF and doesn't employ speechwriters.

And, compared to the vacuous soundbites that pass for rhetoric in this day and age, they're downright inspiring.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:19 PM
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7. How do you have Dennis on the RED LIGHT? It amazes me...
that you have THE ONLY CANDIDATE trying to decrease our bloated pentagon budget(bigger than the rest of the world combined, and 40 times that of "rogue nations"), trying to guarantee healthcare to EVERY citizen(just like every other first world country), and trying to promote peace amongst the world.

From your lights...I can only assume you like bloated pentagon budgets, people fighting for healthcare, and war.

For crying out loud people...you don't have to vote for Dennis but to give him a RED LIGHT...a big "NO!" is just wrong if you ask me.

www.kucinich.us

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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:56 PM
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9. the lights represent MY choices
Dennis fails to 'wow' me with his Iraq plan which I believe is naive and irresponsible and I disagree with his approach to NAFTA.

And since you bring up the defense budget... I don't think it should be touched, but certain programs need to be canceled and the money transfered over for pay raises and Veteran Administration hospitals.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:10 AM
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11. And Clark's Iraq idea is better? Puh-lease...
it is basically the same thing except NATO is in charge of the military.

Don't let the hypocrisy anchor weigh this thread to the bottom.

Clark has a yellow light. Dennis red. please.

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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 08:22 AM
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15. Welcome to Democracy
It is the accumulation of policies I disagree with not a single policy. I don't expect a candidate to match my views 100%. Kucinich falls outside the range.

And I feel assured that Clark being a military guy wouldn't pull out of Iraq in a haphazzard fashion.
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MrSoundAndVision Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 06:25 PM
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8. I don't see how anyone
could not support Kucinich after seeing the "Prayer for America" speech in March 2002, before anyone else knew what was going on. Check out http://www.kucinichwatch.us and watch the video they dare you to watch, I dare you!

"Crown thy good America! Crown thy good America! Crown thy good."
Prayer for America
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-03 08:30 PM
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10. It is so good
but I am partial to the "This Is The Moment" speech. They are all so good. The prayer brought him to my attention. I dropped out of the Dean campaign as soon as I saw it and have never looked back.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 02:48 AM
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12. another rolling stone Q & A

http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=2016

You mean we just pull out and leave? Don't we have a responsibility to rebuild the country?

The presence of our troops there makes it essentially antithetical to the stabilization of Iraq. Our troops are targets. My plan is this: Let the U.S. get out, but with these terms. First of all, the U.N. handles all the oil revenues. Those resources belong to the Iraqi people. Number two: The U.N. handles all the contracts. There can't be anymore Halliburton deals, can't be any more big contracts for administration contributors. It's time that we end war profiteering.

America almost pulled the world into supporting the invasion, and America may be able to pull the world community into an agreement that still permits the U.S. to have control over these aspects. But we're not going to reach a solution. It will keep breaking down until the U.N. gets in fully, with the members providing troops. Until we get the U.S. out, we're never going to have peace there. And the U.N. has to handle the cause of building a new government, which is not a puppet government of the United States. If we insist on the right to choose, then Iraq becomes our fifty-first state. Which it may well be on its way to becoming, based on the amount of money we're spending there.

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