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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:55 AM
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Lieberman Leads in Ohio, Gephardt 2nd, Kucinich 3rd, Dean in single digits
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 12:12 PM by dpbrown
City Chatter : Lieberman Continues to Lead in Ohio
Wednesday, November 12, 2003

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Conducted over the last two weeks of October, and sampling Democratic and independent registered voters from throughout the state, the poll from the University of Cincinnati's Institute for Policy Research finds 18 percent supporting Lieberman followed by 14 percent favoring Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt and 12 percent supporting Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich in a trial heat.

None of the other candidates reached double figures. Early national frontrunner Howard Dean is favored by 9 percent, followed by Sen. John Kerry (9 percent), Al Sharpton (6 percent), Carol Mosely Braun (4 percent) and Senator John Edwards (1 percent).

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Dan says:

An otherwise unglamorous assessment of Kucinich that illustrates how volatile the run for the nomination is, regardless of what the "frontrunner" is telling us.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

Edit: fixed link
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:58 AM
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1. Well it is going to be competitive
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 12:31 PM by CMT
According to this poll it could go any way. Lieberman often leads in states where candidates have not spent alot of time but as they begin campaigning there in earnest he usually begins to fade.

Dean's 9% is a good postion to build on and only three-points off of what favorite son Kucinich has and not that far behind second placer Gep either.

What happens in Iowa, New Hampshire, and other early primaries will also affect these numbers. Will be interesting.

Also note that in the previous Ohio poll Dean had only 2% and that at this point name recognition is a big factor with Lieberman's name recognized by 86% and Gep's at 73%
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:59 AM
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2. Link does not work
Is it just my browser?

Since Ohio's primary is March 2, it will be interesting to see how the earlier contests change things.

Thanks for the information.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:27 PM
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5. it worked for me
try www.freetimes.com
It's a pretty good magazine, btw.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:30 PM
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6. I fixed the link
I had the HTML thingie written wrong the first time.
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:09 PM
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3. Clark wasn't included?
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:15 PM
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12. He's the invisible man.
Even being ignored by pollsters:puke:
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:10 PM
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4. It boggles the mind
Lieberman leading?! Geez, what's up with Ohio?! I could understand if it were any other candidate, but Lieberman?! Lieberman?! :wtf:
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:28 PM
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14. Maybe Dean's Spam campaign hasnt hit Ohio yet!
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:30 PM
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15. as Kos (of Daily Kos fame) says…
don't worry… Lieberman's numbers are sure to go down as people get to know him.
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:24 PM
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20. Well..like I have stated before
Lieberman is a sneaky person..his silence is getting to me. He was not part of the attack against Dr. Dean...this is getting me worried.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:31 PM
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7. What kind of pollsters completely miss one of the leading candidates?
Hmm, seems as though Clark is missing.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:46 PM
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9. Good point, when did he announce?
Or maybe he's not well-known in Ohio?
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:41 PM
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8. Everybody on this website should know.....
that we are light years ahead of the rest of the dems in this country with the informed opinions we have on all the candidates, it will take Ohio and most of the rest of the country awhile to catch up, but catch up they will.
Hell, more than half of the dems in this country can't even name the candidates, they're going by name recognition only and that's about to change.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:08 PM
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10. This tells me alot
Conducted over the last two weeks of October, and sampling Democratic and independent registered voters from throughout the state, the poll from the University of Cincinnati's Institute for Policy Research finds 18 percent supporting Lieberman followed by 14 percent favoring Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt and 12 percent supporting Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich in a trial heat.

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Was any effort made to ascertain the leanings of the independent voters? What is the likelyhood of these voters actually voting in the primary? These are important and thus far unanswered questions.

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Kucinich has dropped from 14 percent in February to 12 percent in October in the trial heat. Ironically, in his home state, his name recognition is only 63 percent, down from 71 percent in September. When it comes to net favorability ratings of potential candidates, Kucinich comes in seventh with a rating of only +3 percent. While he has a favorable rating of 22 percent, he also has an unfavorable rating of 19 percent. Concurrently, 22 percent say they know little about him and 37 percent of Ohioans polled say that they haven't heard of Kucinich.

According to the Ohio Poll, name recognition continues to impact voter preferences in Ohio. Here again Lieberman leads the pack with 86 percent name recognition, followed by Gephardt at 73 percent. Interestingly, Sharpton finishes ahead of Kucinich in name recognition, but receives support of only 6 percent of the voters, primarily due to a high negative rating.

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This is pretty bizarre. According to this close to 1 in 12 Ohioians forgot who Kucinich is. Clearly something is wrong here. While this is probably technically within the MOE, I can't be sure since it wasn't included, but it strikes me as very bizarre that this happened from one poll to the next. Also, though they don't state Dean's precise numbers he must be no better than 5th which might explain his 5th place finish. I say Dean can be no better than 5th from the fact that Kucinich is 4th and they list the ones above him (Lieberman, Gephardt, and Sharpton).
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:22 PM
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13. Dennis is one of 18 Reps for Ohio
Not eveyone in the state will know who he is. I live in Orange County, CA but I dont know who reps for Sacramento or who the ex-mayor of San Diego is!

Give him time!

Ohio

Chabot, Steve; Ohio, 1st
Portman, Rob; Ohio, 2nd
Turner, Michael; Ohio, 3rd
Oxley, Michael; Ohio, 4th
Gillmor, Paul; Ohio, 5th
Strickland, Ted; Ohio, 6th
Hobson, David; Ohio, 7th
Boehner, John; Ohio, 8th
Kaptur, Marcy; Ohio, 9th
Kucinich, Dennis; Ohio, 10th
Jones, Stephanie; Ohio, 11th
Tiberi, Patrick; Ohio, 12th
Brown, Sherrod; Ohio, 13th
LaTourette, Steven; Ohio, 14th
Pryce, Deborah; Ohio, 15th
Regula, Ralph; Ohio, 16th
Ryan, Timothy; Ohio, 17th
Ney, Robert; Ohio, 18th
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:37 PM
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16. Yes, I know that
but what I do find hard to believe is that 1 out fo 12 Ohioians knew who he was in the previous poll and now don't. Doesn't that strike you as absurd? BTW I live in the district next to his.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:05 PM
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19. someone must be smoking pot lol j/k I dont get it
but I think we are doing better than most expect, indeed I think we are 3 or 4 in Iowa.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:03 PM
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17. in addition
I think most of the people in California would know the representative that's running for President as opposed to if he or she was simply running for re-election.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:14 PM
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11. I think that a lot has to do knowledge of the candidate
Most people in America know Lieberman wsa Gore's running mate. Everyone who knows what Dennis stands for loves him. In his case, the only issue is getting him more publicity. If he gets the publicity, he'll get th nomination.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:05 PM
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18. When pigs fly!
:eyes:
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MrSoundAndVision Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:33 PM
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21. Man...
do you have anything substantive to add? I mean, "When pigs fly" sounds substantive, but when one thinks about it, it's really not.

You know here's the thing with the Dean supporters, they never, NEVER get down to the details of Dean policy. And I'm bold enough to say it here and NOW and invite you to prove me otherwise.

Dean campaign is designed by a committee. It is designed to take advantage of how uninformed the public is on the issues. Example: NAFTA and the WTO are WRONG! Not just wrong, but evil. Any Dean supporters read that story on the front page of the DU, I mean, read the whole thing? It says that Unocal paid the Burmese government to force villagers to build their gas pipeline. A California court said that was within the current law. WE NEED TO FIX THAT! And your candidate won't say that he'll do that, so I don't expect him to, and you shouldn't either. Rebuttal?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:37 AM
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26. He does address that, and at length.
Again, as I said in another post, my day starts at 3:00 a.m., so my failure to post after 7 or 8 in the evening (CST) doesn't man a lack of rebuttal; it simply means I've gone to eat, bathe and spend some time with my boyfriend before I go to bed, OK?

What Gov. Dean has to say on the issues you raise:

"...A More Effective Trade Policy

Governor Dean believes that international trade is essential to the continued growth and health of the American economy and to the creation and strengthening of the middle class throughout the developing world. Promoting middle class societies is not only the right thing to do; it's also in our own self-interest. Our efforts will create consumers for our goods and improve our national security because nations with middle classes are generally more stable, more democratic, and less likely to foster terrorism. So the question is not whether one is for or against trade: The question is under what rules should trade be conducted, for whose benefit should the rules be drawn, and how should they be enforced.

The Bush Administration’s trade policy is not working. The Governor has seen the impact of job losses that result from this misguided policy plus the sluggish U.S. and international economies. Trade agreements must be fair. Specifically, they must include strict and enforceable labor standards based on the five core standards of the International Labor Organization (ILO):

freedom of association,
the right to collective bargaining,
abolition of forced or compulsory labor,
abolition of child labor, and
freedom from discrimination.
Our trade agreements should also incorporate environmental standards. To persuade other countries to adopt higher environmental standards, the U.S. will have to restore its role as a global leader by becoming once again an active member of the international environmental community.

Strong and enforceable standards need to be integral elements of trade agreements themselves, not side agreements. To help America’s trading partners incorporate labor and environmental standards into their domestic body of laws, the Governor will call on the World Bank, the regional development banks, the International Labor Organization, other multilateral organizations and our own government to provide developing nations with meaningful technical assistance when needed. We should be acting to protect middle class jobs in the United States and labor and environmental standards abroad with the same enthusiasm that we apply to protecting intellectual property rights, capital, and the interests of investors.

The promise of NAFTA — that it would trigger an economic boom in Mexico, create a huge middle class market for US goods, expand the US trade surplus with Mexico, generate net new jobs at home, and drastically reduce undocumented migration — that promise has not been kept.

Since the inception of NAFTA, Mexico’s growth rate has been less than 3 percent — for the last two and a half years has been less than 1 percent. The US has lost well paying jobs as businesses have moved production to Mexico, in search of cheap labor. The promised Mexican middle class of consumers to purchase US goods has not appeared and migration to the United States continues relentlessly. But NAFTA is here to stay — our economies have become too integrated. So Governor Dean will negotiate a “New Deal” with Mexico — a real plan that will generate Mexican economic growth and save American jobs.

As President, he will work to persuade WTO members that that body should take the lead in implementing and enforcing labor and environmental standards. The WTO members have accepted a number of US proposals that they didn’t want, such as corporate intellectual property rights. If the US makes labor and environmental standards as important a priority as it has made corporate rights, the Governor believes our nation can get the concessions we seek — history shows we can make it happen.

An Eye on the Future: Investments in 21st Century Growth

For over a hundred years, a critical part of the United States economy has been manufacturing — building the goods the world wants to buy. The Dean economic agenda will emphasize creating a level worldwide playing field in which American manufacturers can compete with success.

But the Governor’s plan also emphasizes investing in the industries of tomorrow, so that the US will remain a leader in such important sectors as biotech, renewable energy and other technology and information based enterprises.

Over the coming decades, a global communications platform for voice, data and video will emerge that will generate large incremental productivity advances in business while also spawning an incalculable number of new enterprises and lines of business within existing companies. A technology sector that will have great impact on the pace and scale of this change will involve enterprises that are experimenting with and developing optical, molecular and atomic scale platforms that will replace the silicon based chips and storage devices in use today.

Federal investments in research and development can play a leadership role in these areas, and the federal government can serve as a convener, bringing together industry, academia and state and local governments to foster development in areas of opportunity. The Governor is also particularly concerned that broadband is made available to rural America, so that jobs dependent on the rapid transmission of large amounts of data can be created anywhere in the US.

The political and economic toll of our continuing dependence on imported carbon based fuels is not sustainable The Dean administration will expand energy research, which is now funded at half the rate it was 8 years ago, while reassessing other areas to assure that the ongoing work contributes to the nation’s economic strength...."

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_policy_economy_reclaimingtheamericandream

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:35 PM
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22. Why you so negative on us
Dude you have said a million times that you hate this yourself, so why resort to tactics you decry, :shrug:, I dont do that, and you know damn well I could, but I choose not to.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:33 AM
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25. It's not negative, John.
If every bit of objective evidence you have seen and amassed says, for example, that Tree X is an apple tree, it is not negative to say "When pigs fly" in response to someone else's remark that Tree X will likely bear pears next season; it's a simple, shorthand statement regarding your belief in the probability that that will occur.
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MrSoundAndVision Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:40 PM
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23. And actually Padraig
Pigs do fly in Cincinnati. There is an art theme throughout the city where different artists contribute different renditions of 'flying pigs' for the city. I'm absolutely serious (as usual as you well know, still awaiting your rebuttal). Seriously, check out Cincinnati online, you'll find it immediately.
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