Kerry is Democrats' "straw poll" winner

[Feanorcurufinwe]

The poll was taken despite objections from the State Democratic Party, which said the vote violates state and national party rules and sets a dangerous precedent.

Former Harrison County Treaurer Bart Rule, an organizer, said 142 people paid the $10 to vote at St. Patrick Community Hall and attend the dinner event. Rule said he didn't hear anything Saturday from state party officials. He said without the poll, the party would be lucky to get 30 or 35 people to attend.

Kerry came away with 37 percent of the vote. Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean received 29 percent, and U.S. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina got 19 percent, while U.S. Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri (Des Moines Register "Iowa Poll" leader) had 10 percent. U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio and former U.S. Sen. Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois rounded out the field with four per-cent and one percent, respectively, according to Rule.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10547966&BRD=326&PAG=461&dept_id=449012&rfi=6

[Nazgul35]

1. talk about unscientific...

this was the state of Missouri? Gephardt won only 10% and finished fourth?! Come on...why even post this....it is clear that in any reasonable poll Gephardt would be winning Missouri....

[Feanorcurufinwe]

4. It's a straw poll, and it's from Iowa.

You might want to read more carefully before you post next time.

[Nazgul35]

42. should I have too...

leaving aside that it's a straw poll....

It is in the Missouri Times and you cant figure out it is even in Iowa until you get to the very last paragraph...which is none too clear..

"While the state and national Democratic parties are said to oppose straw polls, in the heyday of the Iowa Caucuses, a straw poll was a popular event across the state in an election cycle. Such a poll propelled Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt (a candidate this time around, too) into the statewide limelight in 1988. He went on to lose the nomination, however.

very clear statement indeed....

As far as reading the article....this is quite a frequent happening here on DU...specifically with some posters of articles....no names of course...where we are required to search through ponderous or poorly written articles from off the beat or dubious sites for the information....like this one...

And as for the title to this thread...it should be called grasping at straws....

[Padraig18]

43. Cut him some slack...

It's not like Kerry's led in any real, scientific polls lately. :P

[Feanorcurufinwe]

44. If you prefer making uninformed comments, that's your business.

[Padraig18]

47. Nothing uninformed about my comment.

:hi:

[Nazgul35]

48. He was posting to me..

but failed to respond to my points.....which is status quo for him....nit pick but ignore...point still is that this is really pathetic pickings for a candidate who's supposed to be able to beat Bush....while the rest of us are soooo wrong.....

I guess some of us are not endowed with the vision thing......cant see the forest for the trees.....ahhhh who cares.....nothing left but to poke sticks in this body....and it isn't even fun anymore....

[pruner]

51. it's one county…

out of 99.

[wtmusic]

2. Wow! 142 people from Kerry's campaign staff think he should be president

So now it's Kerry vs. Democrats? Kerry loses.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

3. Wow! You either can't read, or like to spread falsehoods.

[wtmusic]

25. My mistake

53 people from Kerry's campaign staff think he should be president

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. Repeating the same false charge doesn't make it more compelling.

[wtmusic]

36. Repeating the same lame statistic doesn't make it more convincing

[helleborient]

39. Did not! Did too! Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!!!!

Sorry...I just had to...

:-)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

45. Thanks for another display of insightful and persausive rhetoric.

[helleborient]

46. It's meant to be humor...far too short of supply of it here... (n/t)

[Sully]

49. Hahaha!

It made me laugh out loud! You guys are great!

[helleborient]

5. I seem to remember supporters of every other candidate...

Crying foul when Howard Dean won a straw poll in Tennessee where individuals did NOT have to pay to vote.

So, Kerry, the wealthiest candidate in the race, convinces enough people to pay the poll tax so he can win the straw poll? Good news for Kerry!

[blm]

6. Ten bucks was for the dinner event.

Comprehension 101

[helleborient]

9. So it only cost Sen. Kerry $1420 to win...

Good, it didn't take too much of a toll on his coffers.

[helleborient]

10. Oh, excuse me, 53 votes would have only cost $530, 142 total voted.

So 53 people voting for Kerry in Missouri means?

142 is far too few even for a scientific poll

[blm]

13. Where does it say Kerry paid people to vote for him?

Or is that something you made up to smear an honest man who has exposed more government corruption than ANY lawmaker in modern history?

[helleborient]

20. Just a little hyperbole perhaps?

"exposed more government corruption than ANY lawmaker in modern history?"

And you have the historical data to back this ridiculous claim up?

[blm]

21. BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning ALL exposed by Kerry.

Don't tell me you never knew this?

How old are you? You do know that BCCI and IranContra are also linked to what happened on 9-11, don't you?

[helleborient]

23. And no other elected official has done anything like this?

And I have no reason whatsoever to respond to attempts at personal insult.

[blm]

41. I said he has exposed MORE...if you can name another lawmaker

that comes close to exposing more govt. corruption on the scale of BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning then do so.

It seems to me that what we know about the BFEE today comes mainly from the heavy lifting done by Kerry.

[helleborient]

24. I forgot "Kerry Is God"...

To his supporters.

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

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[helleborient]

30. I don't know...does it?

I was thinking of asking the same question...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

32. It might make more sense to ask

in response to an unsupported assertion. :eyes:

[helleborient]

35. He's just more "God-like" than others then...

Because he's done more than any other person in the modern era to fight corruption.

[Sully]

50. I think it's true

Altruism: unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others

Etymology: French altruisme, from autrui other people, from Old French, oblique case form of autre other, from Latin alter
Date: 1853

maybe that's why the right-wingnuts say Kerry "looks French"

[Feanorcurufinwe]

12. Why the jealousy?

[helleborient]

18. I'm not jealous...I wouldn't tout 53 people paying $10 and saying

They like Kerry as a major achievement.

Particularly when it is reported the entire event may endanger the state's Democratic Party.

[wtmusic]

22. At this point 53 people might be a major achievement for Kerry

And if someone else believes it, more power to them.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. If it's no big deal, why do you feel compelled to belittle it?

'Thou doth protest too much' lol

[helleborient]

31. Because I'm tired of hyperbolic claims for Kerry...

And I'm tired of being told I'm not intelligent enough to be one of the people who has decided Kerry is better than anyone else in this race.

And probably, most of all, Kerry has been the biggest disappointment to me personally in this race.

As I posted a few days back, I started with Kerry, then came...

Iraq
The MoveOn primary
Pheasant Hunting
The battleship
Firing campaign staff in an ugly way
Injecting personal fortunes into the campaign

Etc., etc....I'm disappointed in him.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Kerry won a straw poll in Iowa. It's not a 'claim' hyperbolic or otherwise

If you didn't find it threatening, you wouldn't criticize it.

[helleborient]

34. Wow, so you find Howard Dean super-threatening to Kerry? (n/t)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

37. Duh. He's in the lead isn't he? lol

[helleborient]

38. I certainly don't think Kerry's campaign is without threat to Dean..

So I guess we're in agreement.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

7. What does this mean?

In all of the scientific polls taken lately in Iowa, with a much larger sample, Gep is in the lead, or tied with Dean, and Kerry is well behind in 3rd.

Not sure that this tiny straw poll (142 people?) offsets any of those polls.

[dajabr]

11. It means...

That when the Primaries are over, the Kerry Campaign will have at least one positive moment to look back on.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

14. It means Kerry won a straw poll at a barbeque in Iowa

nothing more, nothing less.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

16. That's what I thought

n/t

[Zynx]

8. 142 people and Gep and 10%. That's representative of Iowa.

[Renew Deal]

15. Where is Clark?

He is not listed. How did he do?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

17. No votes.

The percentages add up to 100 so that must mean Clark, Sharpton and Lieberman received no votes.

[Renew Deal]

19. That's very strange since Clark is polling like 3rd there.

I saw a poll that I can't find that had Clark in the top 3 in MO. That blows the credibility of your straw poll.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

29. Let's see that poll if it exists.

:eyes:

[Padraig18]

40. Talk about a meaningless, 'garbage' poll!

But since it's the only one Kerry's led in lately, I can see why you posted it.. :eyes: